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Gram Negative Cocci · Jun 13, 2011

http://www.videogamer.com/news/wii_u_is_not_next-gen_says_michel_ancel.html

Michel Ancel, the creator of Rayman and Beyond Good and Evil, has said that he does not think Nintendo's new console should be deemed 'next-gen'.

Asked if the Wii U is a next-generation machine, Ancel replied: "Not really. I think Wii U is next-gen in terms of interface."

Speaking to VideoGamer.com at E3, Ancel explained how he thinks others will be quick to imitate Nintendo.

"I think people are going to copy it, because you've got this mix between tablet, touch screen and big screen big screen and little screen - there are a lot of possibilities."

Pressed on this issue - whether he expected Microsoft or Sony to cook up something similar - Ancel replied: "I don't know if Sony will do it, or Microsoft but yes, I think it's a possibility. But I think the main thing is to have this offering new ways to play is very interesting."

Ubisoft currently has several projects in development for Wii U, although Ancel was quick to confirm that Rayman was not one of them.

From "orders of magnitude" faster than PS360, through "only 50% more powerful" to "not really next-gen".

Tough times for Nintendo but hey it's what you get for hiding your specs and releasing FRAPS'd footage as your own.

SnakeXs · Jun 13, 2011

Who the fuck was EXPECTING a "next-gen" machine?

Man · Jun 13, 2011

SnakeXs said:
Who the fuck was EXPECTING a "next-gen" machine?

We should totally let them get a pass on this because they have Miyamoto.

freddy · Jun 13, 2011

Stick it to em', man!

Gram Negative Cocci · Jun 13, 2011

SnakeXs said:
Who the fuck was EXPECTING a "next-gen" machine?

Well 6 years after Wii... I think many of us.

Ulairi · Jun 13, 2011

Gram Negative Cocci said:
http://www.videogamer.com/news/wii_u_is_not_next-gen_says_michel_ancel.html

From "orders of magnitude" faster than PS360, through "only 50% more powerful" to "not really next-gen".

Tough times for Nintendo but hey it's what you get for hiding your specs and releasing FRAPS'd footage as your own.

Can you read? This says nothing about power. What does "next generation" even mean?

antonz · Jun 13, 2011

Knew it wouldn't take you long to post this. As pointed out in the other thread. You are really going for the bottom of the barrel to find anything to troll on Nintendo.

Backwater claims exclusive info from Developer that the mainstream media and gaming press couldn't get.

Might be a hint to consider the fact site is trolling for hits.

Kaako · Jun 13, 2011

Just release the full system specs already, Nintendo. Although I bet you like all the "buzz" this is creating regarding Wii U.

Plinko · Jun 13, 2011

Man said:
We should let them pass on it because they are Nintendo.

No, we should let them pass because it makes perfect business sense for them. This is the new console pattern, IMO:

Wii U: Generational leap over Wii
PS4/Xbox3: Generational leap over PS3/Xbox360
Next Wii: Generational leap over Wii U;

etc, etc.

They're wedging themselves in between the other two consoles. It makes sense because they can appeal to a different market along with those who want the best system on the market at all times (because of the console releases every 2-3 years).

Krev · Jun 13, 2011

Gram Negative Cocci said:
http://www.videogamer.com/news/wii_u_is_not_next-gen_says_michel_ancel.html

From "orders of magnitude" faster than PS360, through "only 50% more powerful" to "not really next-gen".

Tough times for Nintendo but hey it's what you get for hiding your specs and releasing FRAPS'd footage as your own.

Really?
They were quick to confirm that all footage of third party games was not of their actual Wii U games.

Vic · Jun 13, 2011

The plot thickens.

SmithnCo · Jun 13, 2011

Technically it is, though. We should stop using the term "next-gen" to refer to a system's power when it just refers to when it was released.

FoneBone · Jun 13, 2011

I said back in the first thread about this that publishers probably weren't looking at Wii U as "next-gen" per se. Not what the fanboys want to hear, but it's probably true.

EDIT: I think the OP is misinterpreting (from a different sort of fanboy perspective)- this is a reference to his earlier quote about BG&E2 on the next generation of consoles, not saying that it's less powerful than PS3/360.

birdchili · Jun 13, 2011

may the system with the best games win.

and i suppose that means no bg&e2 for u.

LiK · Jun 13, 2011

No BG&E2 for you Nintendo!

Tiduz · Jun 13, 2011

SnakeXs said:
Who the fuck was EXPECTING a "next-gen" machine?

seeing as how ps360 is five years old.

me.

sixteen-bit · Jun 13, 2011

So basically, he's telling us to wait longer for BGE2?

Gravijah · Jun 13, 2011

So it's next gen while at the same time not next gen.

Truth101 · Jun 13, 2011

Can't I just enjoy great games, no need to label stuff so much. When Developers/Publishers label stuff then the trolling comes out, and I have seen enough trolling the past few days to last me a lifetime.

Shalashaska161 · Jun 13, 2011

I thought this gen was next gen?

OMT · Jun 13, 2011

"Next-gen system" = "true Scotsman"?

FoneBone · Jun 13, 2011

Shalashaska161 said:
I thought this gen was next gen?

I don't think Ancel's referring to existing hardware.

opticalmace · Jun 13, 2011

Truth101 said:
Can't I just enjoy great games, no need to label stuff so much. When Developers/Publishers label stuff then the trolling comes out, and I have seen enough trolling the past few days to last me a lifetime.

Welcome to NeoGAF.

Maximilian E. · Jun 13, 2011

MS (and Sony) could copy WiiU quiet easily (in a way).

Most likely, MS will try to expand the Xbox platform in some ways, and I would not be surprised if the Windows Phone-series (together with Nokia) will have the "same" (or more) capabilities that WiiU offers..

A mobilephone is something that "everybody" has and if MS finds a way for their future hardware to interconnect with phones, you could have the same possibilities..

Sony is already doing/planning WiiU stuff with Vita and could add phones to it as well..

sixteen-bit · Jun 13, 2011

Shalashaska161 said:
I thought this gen was next gen?

This gen is now gen. Next gen is next gen.

CO_Andy · Jun 13, 2011

Ancel was a such a huge Nintendo supporter back in the day

Gram Negative Cocci · Jun 13, 2011

antonz said:
Knew it wouldn't take you long to post this. As pointed out in the other thread. You are really going for the bottom of the barrel to find anything to troll on Nintendo.

Backwater claims exclusive info from Developer that the mainstream media and gaming press couldn't get.

Might be a hint to consider the fact site is trolling for hits.

Site seems real, did they fake the question and answer in your opinion? Did Ancel not comment on that?

Nintendo needs to get their head out of their ass and release the specs.

It would cut the bullshit (or truth) that pops up on every gaming site out there.

Nirolak · Jun 13, 2011

_dementia said:
This gen is now gen. Next gen is next gen.

This gen is both current gen and next gen.

We have broken time.

RustyNails · Jun 13, 2011

and here we go.gif

commish · Jun 13, 2011

Nirolak said:
This gen is both current gen and next gen.

We have broken time.

If I read my own posts, I think I die or something.

Ulairi · Jun 13, 2011

Gram Negative Cocci said:
Site seems real, did they fake the question and answer in your opinion? Did Ancel not comment on that?

Nintendo needs to get their head out of their ass and release the specs.

It would cut the bullshit (or truth) that pops up on every gaming site out there.

Specs do no matter. How hard is it for you understand that? They don't release the specs because they don't matter. But, keep on trollin'.

Nirolak · Jun 13, 2011

antonz said:
Knew it wouldn't take you long to post this. As pointed out in the other thread. You are really going for the bottom of the barrel to find anything to troll on Nintendo.

Backwater claims exclusive info from Developer that the mainstream media and gaming press couldn't get.

Might be a hint to consider the fact site is trolling for hits.

Videogamer, while small, is actually a legitimate site.

I've had to make a large culling list when searching for news, but this place never made it on it.

DefectiveReject · Jun 13, 2011

Ball bags.
its Nintendos next generation machine

Powerful or not its THEIR next Gen machine
never seen such an inept attempt at trolling in my life. Shame on you.

StuBurns · Jun 13, 2011

"ZOMG Nintendo is going hardcore, five times the PS360 dude, Reggie said 1080p. BG&E2 is next-gen... oh shit, coming to Cafe"

One week later...

"Who gives a fuck about the technology man, can't we just have fun? Can't games just be games?"

B_Rik_Schitthaus · Jun 13, 2011

Nirolak said:
This gen is both current gen and next gen.

We have broken time.

Then for next next gen we should start over and call it 8-bit.

freddy · Jun 13, 2011

Maximilian E. said:
MS (and Sony) could copy WiiU quiet easily (in a way).

Most likely, MS will try to expand the Xbox platform in some ways, and I would not be surprised if the Windows Phone-series (together with Nokia) will have the "same" (or more) capabilities that WiiU offers..

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft went without a controller altogether next time round.

Salsa · Jun 13, 2011

Who cares. All i know is MS and Sony will have the same thing but in black or something once their new consoles come out.

sevenchaos · Jun 13, 2011

StuBurns said:
"ZOMG Nintendo is going hardcore, five times the PS360 dude, Reggie said 1080p. BG&E2 is next-gen... oh shit, coming to Cafe"

One week later...

"Who gives a fuck about the technology man, can't we just have fun? Can't games just be games?"

Blood is thicker than water.

Htown · Jun 13, 2011

It is a next generation system by definition. It is super dumb to say something like that when we don't even know how it will compare to whatever Microsoft and Sony are doin g with their next systems.

Busaiku · Jun 13, 2011

I guess that settles it.

rollingstart · Jun 13, 2011

Ulairi said:
Can you read? This says nothing about power. What does "next generation" even mean?

OP didn't include the context.

Last week Michel Ancel was asked about Beyond Good and Evil 2. He responded by saying it's still in development and that they are targeting the next generation of consoles.

edit:

here is the quote:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-13-beyond-good-and-evil-2-needs-power said:
"I think we are still thinking about what we have to cut to fit on today's consoles, what we can improve. We really want to make the game perfect and as good as possible without cutting things. There is special gameplay that we really want to keep but it needs a certain power."

Dystify · Jun 13, 2011

So many Wii U topics...

sankt-Antonio · Jun 13, 2011

Plinko said:
No, we should let them pass because it makes perfect business sense for them. This is the new console pattern, IMO:

Wii U: Generational leap over Wii
PS4/Xbox3: Generational leap over PS3/Xbox360
Next Wii: Generational leap over Wii U;

etc, etc.

They're wedging themselves in between the other two consoles. It makes sense because they can appeal to a different market along with those who want the best system on the market at all times (because of the console releases every 2-3 years).

and why do you care? you do know that actual competition is good. i want the big three to fight over who can push the most polygons

!!!

MalboroRed · Jun 13, 2011

SnakeXs said:
Who the fuck was EXPECTING a "next-gen" machine?

What's the point of releasing a one and a half-gen machine when you'll get completely owned on specs and in-game visuals a year later?

DXB-KNIGHT · Jun 13, 2011

Keep it coming boys each Wii U thread is highly entertaining

C.Dark.DN · Jun 13, 2011

As for other comments from Ubisoft employees... they said it's too early to compare to the ps3/360 at the developers round table.

DefectiveReject · Jun 13, 2011

Controls are the new polygon count

FoneBone · Jun 13, 2011

Linkzg said:
OP didn't include the context.

Last week Michel Ancel was asked about Beyond Good and Evil 2. He responded by saying it's still in development and that they are targeting the next generation of consoles.

Exactly. He means that he views it (in practice, not literally) as part of the PS3/360 generation, not that it's less powerful than either.

TouchMyBox · Jun 13, 2011

OMT said:
"Next-gen system" = "true Scotsman"?

The Demoman is a next-gen system.

Ulairi · Jun 13, 2011

Linkzg said:
OP didn't include the context.

Last week Michel Ancel was asked about Beyond Good and Evil 2. He responded by saying it's still in development and that they are targeting the next generation of consoles.

If the Wii U is a big hit, BG&E 2 will be on the Wii U. I fear for that game because I dont' think it will hit on any platform and that makes me sad.

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