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HotHamWater · Mar 7, 2012

Update:

GamesIndustry.biz said:
GDC: Epic aiming to get "Samaritan" into Flash
By David Radd
GDC: Epic aiming to get "Samaritan" into Flash
Thu 08 Mar 2012 12:24am GMT / 7:24pm EST / 4:24pm PST

Epic's Mark Rein says graphics technology is advancing faster than anticipated

During a presentation of the Unreal Engine at GDC, Epic Games announced that they've made progress running the Unreal Engine in Adobe Flash. In particular they showed off Dungeon Defenders running full screen as well as it does on PS3 in an impressive demonstration.

Epic Games VP Mark Rein said after the Unreal Engine in Flash demonstration, "This isn't your father's FarmVille."

Another demonstration took the Xbox 360 version of Unreal Tournament III running in Flash to show how console quality experiences were possible in Flash. Rein said that the long term goal is to get something like the impressive "Samaritan" demo working in Flash.

Speaking of the "Samaritan" demo, Rein noted that when they showed it off last year, it took three Nvidia cards and a massive power supply to run. However, they showed it off the demo again that ran using a new, not yet released Nvidia card and one 200 watt power supply.

Rein said that graphics technology has advanced even faster than Epic thought it would. He, not surprisingly, said that Unreal Engine 4 is "blowing people's socks off" and that there was no going back after seeing that level of graphics... however, Unreal Engine 4 was not show off to the press.

Source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-03-08-gdc-epic-aiming-to-get-samaritan-into-flash

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Last year's Epic Games' Unreal Engine 3 Samritan demo ran on 3 GTX 580 Nvidia cards. Today, Epic is showing it on 1 new Kepler Nvidia card.

Totilo.

Unreal Engine 4 showing will be "hopefully later this year," says Epic's Mark Rein

Also Totilo.

Edit: One more for the road.

Mark Rein: ""Our longterm goal is to be able to do Samaritan in Flash."

Time to start hoping it leaks, I guess.

bgassassin · Mar 7, 2012

HotHamWater said:
Last year's Epic Games' Unreal Engine 3 Samritan demo ran on 3 GTX 580 Nvidia cards. Today, Epic is showing it on 1 new Kepler Nvidia card.

I said I would believe it could run on one card when I see it, but this is close enough. Though not surprised to see that one card be a Kepler.

Nirolak · Mar 7, 2012

I feel this is enough news for a new thread.

Genesis Knight · Mar 7, 2012

Holy shit. How does the Kepler compare to speculated Nextbox/PS4 cards?

ed: Thanks, Nirolak.

StevieP · Mar 7, 2012

And before anyone asks - no you won't be seeing GK1102x in consoles. lol

Holy shit. How does the Kepler compare to speculated Nextbox/PS4 cards?

Well... it's just an architecture. It goes from low end (GTX640) to insane single-dual high end (GK1102x). They're likely talking about a GK110 chip, because the engineering samples are out there. The GK110 chip is way way beyond what's going in a console box. Not to mention next gen is likely all AMD anyway from a console perspective.

Nirolak · Mar 7, 2012

Genesis Knight said:
Holy shit. How does the Kepler compare to speculated Nextbox/PS4 cards?

Well, this is on a PC, and we don't exactly know what's in the next machines at this kind of level of details, so we can't really say.

NVidia isn't really in the running either, which complicates things further.

maquiladora · Mar 7, 2012

Flash? What?

RyanReedyMusic · Mar 7, 2012

I want more Unreal news than this. Please just give me something to look at. NDA's are super tight at GDC.

gofreak · Mar 7, 2012

maquiladora said:
Flash? What?

Flash exposes GPU processing now. I'm sure it has limitations vs a windows client or whatever, but it's just another delivery option for GPU accelerated games. If your PC was powerful enough I'm sure they could indeed run something like samaritan via it.

nelsonroyale · Mar 7, 2012

I want a game based on the Samaritan Tech demo...looked potentially like the best game Epic have ever made...much cooler than gears

Nibel · Mar 7, 2012

So they showed the demo again. I wonder if they've added some new things.

Nonetheless, this is good progress and I hope that they think about making a full game out of it.

dragonelite · Mar 7, 2012

Shame hope they reveal the card running the demo when nvidia sees fit to reveal their cards.

Jocchan · Mar 7, 2012

maquiladora said:
Flash? What?

Flash can play videos *trollface.jpg*

Serious answer: you can do 3D content with Flash now.

D4Danger · Mar 7, 2012

maquiladora said:
Flash? What?

they've already shown UE3 running in Flash

http://epicgames.com/community/2011/10/unreal-engine-3-support-for-adobe-flash-player-announced/

I H8 Memes · Mar 7, 2012

Any chance they are going to release the tech demo so we can all run it on 1 card too?

Nirolak · Mar 7, 2012

I H8 Memes said:
Any chance they are going to release the tech demo so we can all run it on 1 card too?

As far as I can tell, it's separate from UE4 and more so just their feature set for people who will keep using UE3, so perhaps eventually.

iamshadowlark · Mar 7, 2012

bgassassin said:
I said I would believe it could run on one card when I see it, but this is close enough. Though not surprised to see that one card be a Kepler.

See told ya so.

TriGen · Mar 7, 2012

I hope we see it by E3, at least.

Jtrizzy · Mar 8, 2012

Yeah I'd love to know about the card they used.

StevieP · Mar 8, 2012

Jtrizzy said:
Yeah I'd love to know about the card they used.

If I were a betting man...

Thunder Monkey · Mar 8, 2012

So then all of the consoles will be able to run a slightly stripped down version of UE4. None of them are going to have a GPU close to that.

SteamBox which is likely a Steam oriented gaming PC will. So the high tech guys will go gaming computer if they want the highest end of highest end gaming. Probably be able to brute force what the consoles will take finesse to do.

Interesting generation ahead. Can't wait to see what everyone is bringing to the table.

DieH@rd · Mar 8, 2012

B3D calculated that Samaritan requires processing power of ~1.5 gtx580 [they used three because of inefficient SLI scaling and small team who built the demo] . High-end Kepler card could deliver that kind of performance, especially if demo is transfered from UE3 to better optimized UE4.

iamshadowlark · Mar 8, 2012

So was the super squirrel secret UE4 demo just Samaritan? If so, thats a bit disappointing.

Nirolak · Mar 8, 2012

iamshadowlark said:
So was the super squirrel secret UE4 demo just Samaritan? If so, thats a bit disappointing.

I'm under the impression it was their more-public DX11 UE3 demo, since they have those there as well.

Metalmurphy · Mar 8, 2012

By flash, they mean video streaming with cloud computing right?

Elginer · Mar 8, 2012

next-gen is gonna be balls deep baby.

iamshadowlark · Mar 8, 2012

Thunder Monkey said:
So then all of the consoles will be able to run a slightly stripped down version of UE4. None of them are going to have a GPU close to that.

SteamBox which is likely a Steam oriented gaming PC will. So the high tech guys will go gaming computer if they want the highest end of highest end gaming. Probably be able to brute force what the consoles will take finesse to do.

Interesting generation ahead. Can't wait to see what everyone is bringing to the table.

What data given so far lets you assume this?

Globox_82 · Mar 8, 2012

Samaritan isn't that impressive anyways (considering it's "next gen). Looks more like current gen + or famous 1.5

Risk Breaker · Mar 8, 2012

So basically they are hyping up for E3? Pretty sure we'll see it there.

StevieP · Mar 8, 2012

iamshadowlark said:
What data given so far lets you assume this?

If the ipad can run it...

BigTnaples · Mar 8, 2012

Globox_82 said:
Samaritan isn't that impressive anyways (considering it's "next gen). Looks more like current gen + or famous 1.5

Incorrect.

Victrix · Mar 8, 2012

On the one hand I adore the possibility of in-browser full experience games delivered to anyone with a strong enough gpu

On the other I fucking hate adobe

LiK · Mar 8, 2012

Flash? Thought they were friends with Apple.

bgassassin · Mar 8, 2012

iamshadowlark said:
See told ya so.

LOL. I seriously doubt the Kepler (99% chance it's the high-end line) being used is equal to one GTX 580.

Globox_82 · Mar 8, 2012

BigTnaples said:
Incorrect.

Just how I see it. I might be wrong. I need to see the game in motion.

StevieP · Mar 8, 2012

Globox_82 said:
Just how I see it. I might be wrong. I need to see the game in motion.

Not a game, it's a cutscene.

bgassassin said:
LOL. I seriously doubt the Kepler (99% chance it's the high-end line) being used is equal to one GTX 580.

Hell, it could (as I suggested earlier in this thread) be the GK1102x for all we know. lol

TheOddOne · Mar 8, 2012

Globox_82 said:
Samaritan isn't that impressive anyways (considering it's "next gen). Looks more like current gen + or famous 1.5

Kind of agree.

Lord Error · Mar 8, 2012

maquiladora said:
Flash? What?

Flash 11's got Open GL API. Basically it can render graphics in a quality and speed that your GPU can support, no longer CPU bound.

iamshadowlark · Mar 8, 2012

bgassassin said:
LOL. I seriously doubt the Kepler (99% chance it's the high-end line) being used is equal to one GTX 580.

I assume its very close. Even then, what metrics(AA,Res,FPS,etc) do we have to suggest what they showed is simply beyond a 580GTX?

bgassassin · Mar 8, 2012

iamshadowlark said:
I assume its very close. Even then, what metrics(AA,Res,FPS,etc) do we have to suggest what they showed is simply beyond a 580GTX?

The slide that said at 1080p Samaritan needed 2.5 TFLOPs. So I doubt it's close at all.

Thunder Monkey · Mar 8, 2012

iamshadowlark said:
What data given so far lets you assume this?

Well I'd wager they used a top end form to get it running, that's already clocked much higher, uses more energy, and outputs more heat than any console design is likely to contain.

TheOddOne said:
Kind of agree.

And you both would be wrong. That tech demo is using a legit light scattering tech on the characters giving their skin a realistic translucency. Real realtime Global Illumination. Things that are even in theory impossible on the PS3 or 360.

That's just the big problem overall. There's only so much difference you can make under the same paradigm.

Jtrizzy · Mar 8, 2012

StevieP said:
If I were a betting man...

So is the gk110 the high end card, equivalent to the current 580, and the gk104 that is coming out soon more along the lines of the 560ti?

Syn23 · Mar 8, 2012

D4Danger said:
they've already shown UE3 running in Flash

http://epicgames.com/community/2011/10/unreal-engine-3-support-for-adobe-flash-player-announced/

What kind of pc is needed to get those graphics in Flash?

edit: ok, I've just read this:

Lord Error said:
Flash 11's got Open GL API. Basically it can render graphics in a quality and speed that your GPU can support, no longer CPU bound.

So basically now flash games can have graphics comparable to standard games?

Anony · Mar 8, 2012

running at 10 fps on 1 kepler card :awesome:

StevieP · Mar 8, 2012

Jtrizzy said:
So is the gk110 the high end card, equivalent to the current 580, and the gk104 that is coming out soon more along the lines of the 560ti?

GK110 is the 580 equiv, and the GK110x2 is the 590 equiv. From what I recall, the 104 is going to be the 650ti or the 660 vanilla. 660ti is the GTX110 (again, going off memory)
Also, what Thunder Monkey said. *feeds banana*

iamshadowlark · Mar 8, 2012

bgassassin said:
The slide that said at 1080p Samaritan needed 2.5 TFLOPs. So I doubt it's close at all.

Why the hell does it have to be 1080p?

bgassassin · Mar 8, 2012

iamshadowlark said:
Why the hell does it have to be 1080p?

The original demo ran apparently at 2560x1440. We can go with that then.

maquiladora · Mar 8, 2012

Lord Error said:
Flash 11's got Open GL API. Basically it can render graphics in a quality and speed that your GPU can support, no longer CPU bound.

Thats amazing.

Nirolak · Mar 8, 2012

Okay, full context.

GamesIndustry.biz said:
GDC: Epic aiming to get "Samaritan" into Flash

By David Radd
GDC: Epic aiming to get "Samaritan" into Flash

Thu 08 Mar 2012 12:24am GMT / 7:24pm EST / 4:24pm PST
Dev Tools

Epic's Mark Rein says graphics technology is advancing faster than anticipated

During a presentation of the Unreal Engine at GDC, Epic Games announced that they've made progress running the Unreal Engine in Adobe Flash. In particular they showed off Dungeon Defenders running full screen as well as it does on PS3 in an impressive demonstration.

Epic Games VP Mark Rein said after the Unreal Engine in Flash demonstration, "This isn't your father's FarmVille."

Another demonstration took the Xbox 360 version of Unreal Tournament III running in Flash to show how console quality experiences were possible in Flash. Rein said that the long term goal is to get something like the impressive "Samaritan" demo working in Flash.

Speaking of the "Samaritan" demo, Rein noted that when they showed it off last year, it took three Nvidia cards and a massive power supply to run. However, they showed it off the demo again that ran using a new, not yet released Nvidia card and one 200 watt power supply.

Rein said that graphics technology has advanced even faster than Epic thought it would. He, not surprisingly, said that Unreal Engine 4 is "blowing people's socks off" and that there was no going back after seeing that level of graphics... however, Unreal Engine 4 was not show off to the press.

Source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-03-08-gdc-epic-aiming-to-get-samaritan-into-flash

bgassassin · Mar 8, 2012

However, they showed it off the demo again that ran using a new, not yet released Nvidia card and one 200 watt power supply.

Wait. What?

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