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Pinnacle/Senkaku/Diaoyu Showdown: Japan to Buy Islands, China Sends Patrol Ships

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numble

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Reports issued over the weekend indicate that Japan will announce a plan to buy the islands imminently:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...spute-with-china/story-e6frg6so-1226465696624

Japan's government has agreed to buy a group of islands at the centre of a territorial dispute with China, reports say - a move likely to prove a further irritant in a tense relationship.

Tokyo will pay private Japanese landowners 2.05 billion yen ($26 million) for three of the islands, known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, the Yomiuri Shimbun and Kyodo News reported, citing unnamed government sources.

Deputy Chief Cabinet secretary Hiroyuki Nagahama met the landowners on Monday and struck the deal for the islands, which includes Uotsurijima, the largest in the chain, both said.

At a news conference Chief Cabinet Secretary Osamu Fujimura refused to confirm the reports, but said negotiations were under way.

"We are exchanging views with the landowners in various ways, but that process is ongoing," he said.

"We cannot comment on the contents at all. As a government, we will make a firm announcement after procedures are appropriately completed."


The Asahi Shimbun reported that Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda's cabinet would soon confirm the nationalisation of the islands and allocate funds for the purchase.

Mr Noda plans to formally tell the Chinese about the purchase on the sidelines of the UN assembly later this month, the Asahi said, but a Japan-China summit has not yet been set.

The government's hand has been forced on the inflammatory issue by the outspoken nationalist governor of Tokyo, Shintaro Ishihara.

Mr Ishihara, who has made a career out of provocative remarks, often with China in his sights, earlier this year took all sides by surprise when he announced his intention to buy the archipelago for the metropolitan government.

China has sent 2 patrol ships that have just reached the islands:
http://www.china.org.cn/china/2012-09/11/content_26490143.htm

Two ships of the China Marine Surveillance (CMS) have reached the waters around the Diaoyu Islands Tuesday morning to assert the country's sovereignty.

The CMS has drafted an action plan for safeguarding the sovereignty and would take actions pending the development of the situation, the CMS sources said.

I wonder how this will eventually go down.

For background information on the dispute, the Wikipedia article is a good start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_Islands_dispute
 

numble

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WSJ:
China Sends Ships to Disputed Islands
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444100404577644563527295118.html


BEIJING—Chinese state media said Tuesday that two government surveillance vessels had reached waters near the disputed Senkaku islands, a day after Japan announced it planned to purchase some of the islands from private owners.

The state-run Xinhua news agency said two China Marine Surveillance vessels had reached waters near the Japanese-controlled Senkaku on Tuesday morning in order to "assert the country's sovereignty." The islands are known in Chinese as Diaoyu.

The presence of new Chinese government vessels near the Senkaku marks an effort by Beijing to assert its sovereignty claims over the disputed territory. The government is under public pressure to more forcefully respond to Japanese moves to shore up control of the islands.

China Marine Surveillance is a paramilitary maritime law-enforcement agency that has found itself increasingly at the center of territorial disputes between China and its neighbors. Last spring, for example, at least one ship from the agency was engaged in a volatile and prolonged standoff with Philippine government vessels in the disputed Scarborough Shoal in the South China Sea.

It wasn't immediately clear whether the ships were armed or had encountered resistance from Japanese patrols in the area.

Japan has controlled the Senkaku for decades, though China has consistently said the islands have belonged to it since ancient times and Japanese moves to shore up control are illegal.
 

numble

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Washington Post:
China sends patrol ships to contested islands after Japan buys them

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...91ba-fbf2-11e1-8adc-499661afe377_story_1.html

TOKYO — China on Tuesday sent two patrol ships to waters near a remote and disputed island chain in a show of its “undisputable sovereignty,” Chinese state media said, escalating a territorial showdown between Asia’s two largest economies.

The move came as a direct response to Japan’s nationalization of the uninhabited islands, finalized Tuesday when the central government’s cabinet approved a $26.2 million purchase of the land from a private Japanese owner.

“We are watching closely the evolution of the situation and reserve the right to take reciprocal measures,” said Geng Yansheng, a Chinese Defense Ministry spokesman, according to Beijing’s state-run Xinhua news agency.

Japanese government officials have made the case that the purchase should do little to fray ties with Beijing: Japan’s government previously rented the land and tightly controlled it, allowing landing permission to almost nobody.

The purchase, one government spokesman said Tuesday, will ensure “stable peace and maintenance” of the land, which is also claimed by Taiwan. The uninhabited islands are significant because they occupy precious shipping lanes and may contain oil deposits.

“It’s important to avoid any misunderstanding by the Chinese government,” the spokesman, Chief Cabinet Secretary Osamu Fujimura, said.

But China has reacted with fury, and the two countries, which both view the islands as a symbol of nationalist pride, have pushed one another to a tense standoff — one that raises the potential for small-scale armed conflict, some security experts say.

To counter the Chinese ships, Japan sent a coast guard patrol vessel to the area, Japan’s Asahi Shimbun newspaper reported.

A Xinhua editorial called Japan’s decision to nationalize the islands “ridiculous and absurd” and an “open provocation against China.” Sending the patrol ships from the China Marine Surveillance — one of 11 loosely regulated agencies or paramilitary groups China has used in its increasingly aggressive push for control of the East China and South China seas, according to a recent report from the Brussels-based International Crisis Group — “is timely and necessary,” the editorial continued. “The action dealt a big blow to the inflated swagger of Japan.”

The report from Brussels said the marine surveillance unit “enjoys considerable independence outside the government’s power structure” and has been involved in clashes with Philippine and Vietnamese ships.

Japan and China have conflicting narratives about the history of the islands, known in Japanese as Senkaku and Chinese as Diaoyu. Japan, which has controlled the rocky outcroppings for four decades, says China only showed interest in the territory after studies suggested a bounty of natural resources in the nearby waters. Beijing, meanwhile, says the land has been China’s since “ancient times,” discovered and named by Chinese people and appearing on Chinese maps drafted centuries ago.

“China will take any necessary measures to uphold its national territorial sovereignty,” said Hong Lei, China’s Foreign Ministry spokesman, during a regular news briefing Tuesday. “We demand that the Japanese let go of its wrong actions and come back to the negotiating table to resolve the Diaoyu islands issue.”

The low-simmering territorial dispute began to boil in April, when Tokyo’s nationalist governor, Shintaro Ishihara, told a think tank in Washington of his city’s plan to nationalize the islands. Japan’s central government, fearing that Ishihara would directly confront China if he bought the land, decided to launch its own bid — a move designed to decrease tensions, not raise them.

But China’s Foreign Ministry on Monday denounced the purchase as a “gross violation” of Chinese sovereignty. Premier Wen Jiabao told university students in Beijing that China “will never budge, even half an inch, over the sovereignty and territorial issue.”

Many Chinese citizens view Japan’s claim to Diaoyu as a land grab akin to the country’s brutal invasion of China before and during World War II. The wounds from that war are still raw for some. Just this week, five Chinese citizens sued the Japanese government for bombing Chongqing between 1930 and 1944, demanding a worldwide apology from Japan.

On Tuesday afternoon, about 50 young protesters gathered in front of the Japanese Embassy in Beijing, pumping their fists at the front door and chanting that Japan was illegally claiming the contested islands.

“Diaoyu has always been China’s,” said Li Jie, one of the protesters. “If the [Chinese] government wants to go to war, I’ll join the military.”

There have been other land-based flare-ups in the past several years, but perhaps none as tense as this one. It comes as China’s profile in the world is rising steadily and Japan’s diminishes. Nationalists in Japan have seized on this sense of insecurity to wage their claims on the islands.

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New York Times:
China Accuses Japan of Stealing Disputed Islands
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/world/asia/china-accuses-japan-of-stealing-disputed-islands.html

TIANJIN, China — The Chinese government accused Japan on Tuesday of stealing a group of disputed islands in the East China Sea, hours after the Japanese government announced that it had bought them from their private Japanese owners for nearly $30 million.

In a show of strength, China dispatched two maritime law enforcement ships to the islands, which are known as the Diaoyu in China and the Senkaku in Japan.

The ships, belonging to the China Marine Surveillance, are commonly deployed in the South China Sea, where China and its neighbors have other territorial disputes over islands.

Xinhua, the Chinese state news agency, said Tuesday that the marine agency had drafted an “action plan” for asserting China’s claim to the Diaoyu.

The Japanese government’s purchase of the islands from a Japanese family was intended to prevent the conservative governor of Tokyo buying them, a step that would have heightened the clash with China, Japanese officials said. The Tokyo governor, Shintaro Ishihara, had said he would develop the islands, something the national government does not plan to do.

But in an unusual array of strong statements by top leaders in recent days, China has asserted that the islands had belonged to China since ancient times.

Over the weekend, the Chinese president, Hu Jintao, warned the Japanese prime minister, Yoshihiko Noda, at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit meeting in Vladivostok, Russia, that nationalizing the islands would be illegal, Xinhua reported.

In a statement on Tuesday, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs said the purchase of the islands by the Japanese government “cannot alter the fact the Japanese side stole the islands from China.”

The clash between China and Japan comes as the Chinese government nears the start of a once-in-a-decade leadership transition at a Communist Party Congress expected to be held within weeks.

Some Western analysts say they believe the strong public defense of China’s territorial claims may be a means of deflecting attention from an unusually rocky succession process by shaking up the strong Chinese nationalist feelings against Japan.

...
 

numble

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Associated Press - Taiwan sends patrol boats

Taiwan sends patrol boats near disputed islands in East China Sea to assert territorial claim

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...3b63d2-fd7a-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_story.html

TAIPEI, Taiwan — Two Taiwanese coast guard patrol ships have sailed to waters near a disputed island chain in the East China Sea to assert Taiwan’s claim to it.

The coast guard says the ships sailed Thursday to waters 25 nautical miles west of the chain to demonstrate the coast guard’s ability to protect local fishermen.

The chain — known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China — is controlled by Japan but also claimed by China and Taiwan. Japan’s government purchased several of the islands from their private owners this week. China called the purchase “null and void” and threatened “serious consequences.”

Reporters on the Taiwanese ships say the coast guard showed off machine guns on the deck but didn’t fire shots. No confrontation with the Japanese coast guard was reported.
 
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Lucis

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The only FURY Chinese people will send, will be towards their own citizens. In forms such as destroying Chinese citizen's Japan made cars, burning down Chinese owned Ramen shops.
 

numble

Member
Six Chinese boats have actually entered the waters now, IIRC they were just outside the boundary days ago, and there were only 2 ships before.


Financial Times
Chinese ships enter Japanese waters
By Mure Dickie in Tokyo and Jamil Anderlini in Beijing
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/9dc65f62-fe11-11e1-9901-00144feabdc0.html#axzz26Poxi8TU

Six Chinese state vessels entered territorial waters around the Japanese-controlled Senkaku islands early on Friday amid heightened tensions over the disputed group, which China calls the Diaoyu.

It was the first entry into Senkaku waters by Chinese maritime surveillance vessels since July, when a similar excursion by three such boats was denounced by Tokyo as “extremely serious” and “unacceptable”.

The Chinese foreign ministry said six maritime surveillance vessels in two separate groups had arrived in the waters around the islands in the early hours of Friday morning as part of a “rights protection patrol operation”.

The latest entry followed the Japanese government’s decision to purchase three of the disputed islands from their private Japanese owners despite strong objections from China and Taiwan, which also claims the remote and uninhabited archipelago.

Japan on Friday summoned the Chinese ambassador over the move and mobilised a crisis management centre, according to Japan’s Kyodo news agency.

“We will take all possible measures” to ensure security around the Senkaku, the agency quoted Yoshihiko Noda, the prime minister, as saying.

In Beijing, small but vocal groups of protesters outside the Japanese embassy were expected to grow much larger over the weekend.

Chinese media and officials have launched fierce attacks on Japan and nationalist sentiment is running high among the wider population, which has been raised on a steady diet of anti-Japanese education and rhetoric from a young age.

On Thursday, a Chinese official from the commerce ministry said economic and trade ties could be affected by the row and suggested the government would not try to stop a public boycott of Japanese goods.

Japan’s central government already rents the three Senkaku islands from their owner and bans landings on them to avoid antagonising Beijing. But this arrangement has been threatened in recent months by efforts by the nationalist governor of Tokyo, Shintaro Ishihara, to buy the islands and build fishing and other facilities on them.

Japanese officials say the nationalisation of the islands is needed to avoid escalating tensions over the group, which lie in potentially resource-rich seas.

Mr Noda last week stressed that Japan would continue its “stable and secure” management of the Senkaku islands.

China said it had devised an action plan to respond to Japan’s nationalisation of the islands and would “conduct missions to safeguard China’s sovereignty depending on the situation”.
When Japan’s coast guard challenged the Chinese vessels, they responded by saying that the islands were Chinese territory and they were on a routine patrol, according to Japanese state broadcaster NHK.
 
Yes. There are indications that a contract was signed, but they haven't announced it publicly yet.

Aside from psuedo-entitlement what's the issue? A trade is being made, all I see here is China getting worked over because they didn't think of buying the islands first.
 

tino

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One of the very few times Beijing has swift responds.

For those who are not keeping the score. The island should have been returned to Taiwan.
 

numble

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Aside from psuedo-entitlement what's the issue? A trade is being made, all I see here is China getting worked over because they didn't think of buying the islands first.

Because if they are just passively "owned" on paper by a family that has not touched the land in decades, its tolerable because the islands are basically not touched. There's still a semblance of ambiguity as to the ownership of the islands. Not when a government chooses to nationalize them.

China wouldn't have been allowed to buy the islands, its been pretty clear when the owners initially said they'd only sell to the Tokyo government. Its all comes out of the Tokyo governor talking about buying the islands for Tokyo and start building things on it.
 

speedpop

Has problems recognising girls
Well this isn't very fun.

When was the last time China acted with physical presence so quickly?
 

Vesmir

Banned
There is a good amount of oil below the islands, but it's not just that: not only are there historical tensions between these three countries, but gaining an island also gains 200 nautical miles of sovereign territory. Trade routes, military space, etc.

It's not just the islands.
 

Troidal

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The trigger-itchy Chinese military, who also happens to have some discontent with the current government, is obviously excited about "going to war".

And then you got the ultra-nationalists in the Japanese government who loves to provoke the Chinese.

Both not a majority group I would say, yet they are the provokers of this incident. This is just fucking great.
 

numble

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The trigger-itchy Chinese military, who also happens to have some discontent with the current government, is obviously excited about "going to war".

And then you got the ultra-nationalists in the Japanese government who loves to provoke the Chinese.

Both not a majority group I would say, yet they are the provokers of this incident. This is just fucking great.

Eh, I'd argue the Chinese public is pushing the government more than hardline military. Even Hong Kong and its newspapers uses the islands as an example that the central government sucks, saying they don't do enough, etc.
 
Eh, I'd argue the Chinese public is pushing the government more than hardline military. Even Hong Kong and its newspapers uses the islands as an example that the central government sucks, saying they don't do enough, etc.
Hong Kong's pro-china newspapers? or all newspapers?
 

numble

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Hong Kong's pro-china newspapers? or all newspapers?

I think you should say pro-Communist and anti-Communist--there are no anti-China papers in Hong Kong.

But, all newspapers, especially the anti-Communist papers. But even those considered neutral. Last month, when the Hong Kong activists landed on the islands, a lot of the newspapers were saying things like this:
The Central Government is weak, look at how they only "sternly warn" Japan each time something happens.
The Central Government is weak for not protecting the activists.
Only Hong Kongers are brave enough to do something about the islands.
Etc.
 

SMT

this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
Wow, how this escalated so quickly is beyond my expectations. I am taking pleasure in other people's misfortune, this is so not cool.

Will sub, because I know this will end-up in battleships.
 

Zeus Molecules

illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Stuff like this is why if intelligent life in outer space exist they're smart enough to know to avoid our planet
 

Dram

Member
Japan warns nationals in China after assaults

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking_news_detail.asp?id=25110&icid=4&d_str=20120914

Japan has issued a safety warning to its citizens in China after six "serious'' cases of assault or harassment, a Japanese diplomat said Friday, amid rising tensions over disputed East China Sea islands. The incidents in the financial hub of Shanghai came after the Japanese government announced the completion of its purchase of the disputed islands, which it administers and calls Senkaku, but which China claims as Diaoyu.

The Japanese government issued a warning on Thursday and detailed some of the cases reported in Shanghai, home to more than 60,000 Japanese citizens, the diplomat said.
In one case, a group of several Japanese having a late dinner were attacked though no one was seriously injured, the Japanese Consulate in Shanghai said in a statement posted on its website.


The consulate said another case involved a Chinese person throwing a bowl of hot noodles with soup at the face of a Japanese national.
Other cases included Japanese nationals being kicked, hit by bottles or having a drink poured on them, it said. In one case, a Chinese man on a bike tried to force a taxi driver from taking a Japanese passenger.


"The Japanese government has repeatedly asked the Chinese government to ensure safety of Japanese nationals and companies,'' the consulate said in the statement.
"But we ask that you take full precautionary measures to ensure your safety,'' it said.
Such measures included being careful at night, staying away from public places and refraining from speaking in Japanese in public places, said the Japanese diplomat, who asked not to be identified.

Hundreds of protesters gathered outside the Japanese embassy in Beijing on Thursday, singing the Chinese national anthem and waving flags, to condemn Tokyo's purchase of a disputed island chain. The latest demonstration came after the Japanese government this week nationalised three islands in the disputed chain.
 

Timedog

good credit (by proxy)
Can someone give a quick rundown of what happened before the events of this thread, so I don't have to read a 30 paragraph wikipedia article where I still don't understand a bunch of stuff without clicking on other wikipedia links?
 

numble

Member
Can someone give a quick rundown of what happened before the events of this thread, so I don't have to read a 30 paragraph wikipedia article where I still don't understand a bunch of stuff without clicking on other wikipedia links?

Location of islands:
zGuuh.jpg


Before 1895
China/Taiwan view: The islands belong to China/Taiwan, there are maps from back then saying it belongs to China.
Japan view: It was terra nullius--no country had claimed the islands yet, so first country there gets it.

1895 - Japan beats China in a war, China hands over Taiwan and other islands
China/Taiwan view: We handed over Taiwan, other islands, including Diaoyu/Senkaku
Japan view: We took over Senkaku/Diaoyu in 1895 separately from the islands handed over by China after the 1895 war

1945 - Japan loses WWII, agrees to return Taiwan, other islands back to China that it took from China in 1895
China/Taiwan view: This means that Japan hands back Diaoyu/Senkaku
Japan view: Senkaku/Diaoyu were not a part of the land we took from China in 1895
 

EVOL 100%

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Yeah, leaving them possibly exposed to China's military and forcing them to rely on a country that is in a ton of debt to China is a really great idea.

It was 70 years ago. Let Japan have a proper armed forces.

You know that they have the Japan Self-Defense Forces has noted already, right?
 

Troidal

Member
By the way, the newly appointed ambassador for China has also collapsed suddenly and is now in the hospital.

Coincidence?
 
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