http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2079547763/jagged-alliance-flashback?ref=live
They are asking for 350,000$
More at the Link:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2079547763/jagged-alliance-flashback?ref=live
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Jagged Alliance: Flashback Kickstarter by Full Control [$350K funded]
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2079547763/jagged-alliance-flashback?ref=live
They are asking for 350,000$
More at the Link:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2079547763/jagged-alliance-flashback?ref=live
This is the same team doing the Space Hulk game:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/03/27/first-look-space-hulk/
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/03/27/first-look-space-hulk/
It's in the kickstarter:
While we have managed to secure the Jagged Alliance license, we have chosen not to pursue any funding through the license holder bitComposer, as we wanted to maintain and stay true to our vision of the game.
AstroZombie
Banned
If this was being made by folks that worked on JA2 I'd give them all of my money.
Passive Assassin
Member
1.13 is the best version of Jagged Alliance so far. Let's just hope they're able to add that much customization in this game.
Sentenza
Member
A bit harsh, but that's how I feel as well.
Especially considering how they seem to aim quite low with their ambitions.
I want a (proper) new Jagged Alliance more than any other kind of game, but I also need to know that competent people are working on it and they are aiming for the full thing, not "We are going for the core combat but everything else is half-assed or absent".
Alex Connolly
Member
I'm excited to see what happens here.
As an aside, I'm one of the few who really enjoyed the Back in Action games, probably more from a mechanical standpoint than the relationship to the franchise. I hope bitComposer come back to such a style of game down the line, because with a bit of tweaking and perhaps a thematic change, they could create something pretty cool under their own steam.
As an aside, I'm one of the few who really enjoyed the Back in Action games, probably more from a mechanical standpoint than the relationship to the franchise. I hope bitComposer come back to such a style of game down the line, because with a bit of tweaking and perhaps a thematic change, they could create something pretty cool under their own steam.
Ingueferroque
Banned
Where are those people? They are kings. Everyone should play JA2.
You could probably put together a pretty awesome team from the 1.13 modders and the original devs.
KaiserBecks
Member
Jagged Alliance 2 is my favourite game of all time. Needless to say, I despise Back in Action (even though it is a solid game judged on its own merits).
Them trying to separate themselves from BitComposer through this kickstarter is already enough to convince me.
Besides, they're mentioning so much important stuff in the video (like the humor, IMP, training etc) that BitComposer completely failed to even acknowledge... I really hope this kickstarter will be successful.
Them trying to separate themselves from BitComposer through this kickstarter is already enough to convince me.
Besides, they're mentioning so much important stuff in the video (like the humor, IMP, training etc) that BitComposer completely failed to even acknowledge... I really hope this kickstarter will be successful.
After playing the new X-COM, deep down I wished that the JA property could get the same love. The simplified turn system actually didn't hurt the game too much, and I think JA could benefit from it. This seems awfully low budget though, theres a ton of assets that need to be created to be on par with JA2.
Ingueferroque
Banned
Yes, I can't get my hopes up over this.
JA2 needs to be expanded upon, not streamlined and simplified like what happened (IMO) to XCOM.
Yep. I'll just wait for it to release, if it ever does, and then wait a bit more for a Steam sale.
Agreed, JA2 is a product of a very different time than JA2. For example the amount of hidden/background systems at work in JA2 crazy.
there is btw a Jagged Alliance flash game available. I looked into it and it seems kinda mixed, but I only played the very first tutorial.
As for this project, I'll wait till I see more footage / vision & mechanism plans before I'll decide to back or not. IF it's a true spiritual successor to Jagged Alliance 2, I'm so down for this, but the games after JA2 in this franchise were below average at best.
As for this project, I'll wait till I see more footage / vision & mechanism plans before I'll decide to back or not. IF it's a true spiritual successor to Jagged Alliance 2, I'm so down for this, but the games after JA2 in this franchise were below average at best.
AstroZombie
Banned
Agreed.
Ingueferroque
Banned
http://www.kongregate.com/games/cliffhangerdev/jagged-alliance-online
Seems to be this one?
Destructable environments sound great.
This is my main concern as well. They had a big team that worked for years on JA2 (thus the quality).
I wonder how big the Back in Action team was. I'm assuming fairly large as well, and they took a long time. And look how that turned out.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Should have released Space Hulk first so we know what we're backing.
Also, should have gone for something other than Kickstarter, do their own crowdfund. Why give 5% of the cash to some third party? At least they also have paypal but I'd guess most will use the primary method.
Also, should have gone for something other than Kickstarter, do their own crowdfund. Why give 5% of the cash to some third party? At least they also have paypal but I'd guess most will use the primary method.
This sounds good.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2079547763/jagged-alliance-flashback/posts
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2079547763/jagged-alliance-flashback/posts
Strategic Level Design - Base Building, Squads, Map Mechanics
The strategic level in Flashback will in its core work similarly to Jagged Alliance 2 with added base building.
You have a chessboard like grid on top of the world map, you direct squads of mercenaries freely around on the map and each grid corresponds to an individual level on the tactical side of the game.
The size of the chessboard is going to be determined by budget of the game. This is where we scale up with stretch goals. More pledges means more environment art means more levels in the grid.
You have to move troops around the map on foot, and if we reach stretch goals we also add the good old transportation options of jeeps, trucks, helicopters, boats and planes to make movement faster as well as unlock new parts of the map. We really want to do this part! As an example it would matter to liberate the port city, so that you can grab a boat to a neighbouring small island.
So if you liked the system used in Jagged Alliance 2, then you will love this one as it’s basically the same
A new feature we want to add to the strategic layer is base management. You will start out with a small landing zone and expand your base of operations as you gain access to funds. New additions to your base will add various levels of support options to your squads. From fortifying your base that help against enemy attacks to helicopter pads and recruiting a gunsmith will allow you to repair weapons and research new attachments that increase weapon effectiveness.
But this is not where it ends. In captured villages we would like to rework the militia system from earlier games. Parts of the buildings used in your central base can also be built in villages - e.g. fortify specific buildings, repair shops and medical facilities. But you can’t build an air strip or a hospital, these are things you have to control to reap the benefits. The enemy will actively try to retake lost sectors, so the more you control, the more you have to lose.
So it’s important to defend your central base while spending some resources on expanding your presence on the map. Leaving your base open will allow the enemy to take it, removing the support it gives to your mercenary squads.
This adds much more value to the strategic part of the game and more depth in gameplay.
The exact economy of the game is not finalized at this point in time. But we do want to have an economy where mercenaries have upkeep costs, where you have to have an income source and building buildings cost something. The time to decide the exact mechanics on this will be a bit later. Suggestions and Ideas are more than welcome in the comments and forums!
They should have waited until after Space Hulk is released, they sound like passionate dudes but their pedigree doesn't seem too strong and they have nothing to show for this KS, only lofty ideas. It seems it may only barely meet it's goal which would mean a very barebones experience.
I'll wait with funding this one.
I'll wait with funding this one.
Technosteve
Banned
i might pledge moneys I almost want to Will this game in to being good
KaiserBecks
Member
Even though only very few people seem to care about this kickstarter, you might want to check out the updates. They are talking about Mod support and they now have Chris Camfield (one of the original JA2 developers from SirTech) on their team as well as some guys from the Bear's Pit.
Didn't realize there was another thread. It is much better than mine.
Yeah, there seems to be either total apathy or hostility towards this KS. Not entirely surprising given the franchises' history and the poor start, but still sad given JA2 was my favourite game and there is no way bitComposer will make a worth sequel.
Yeah, there seems to be either total apathy or hostility towards this KS. Not entirely surprising given the franchises' history and the poor start, but still sad given JA2 was my favourite game and there is no way bitComposer will make a worth sequel.
KaiserBecks
Member
I think there's only concept art so far. I guess they haven't really started because they don't want bitComposer to fund the project and actually need the kickstarter. I guess if this fails, we will get a watered down bitComposer version, if any.
That all great, but the studio is completely untested. If Shadowrun can barely make what they showed with their 1.8 million, I don't foresee great things for this studio with 350k, especially if they're doing it in Denmark.
KaiserBecks
Member
I'm not sure what went "wrong" with Shadowrun and how the game turned out compared to the initial concept, but their kickstarter goal was quite similar. I guess that's pretty much the minimum. I don't see how setting a goal at say..2 million would have convinced more people to pledge.
I don't want base building. The fun in JA2 was to steam roll through the map with a small troop of super soldiers running from city to city. At least that's how I always did it. I had to reload a lot if one of my supermen got really hurt, though.
I guess I might pledge for 25$.
I guess I might pledge for 25$.
Yeah, they should have waited until after Space Hulk is released.
CecilRousso
Member
8 days left. Hope to see a late surge for the project.
publicpwnerer
Member
Whilst I hope it gets funded, the nature of Kickstarter has me worried. Whilst they're asking for 350k, most Kickstarters have a lower, less ambitious goal...but "ACTUALLY" require significantly more to fully flesh out the game and achieve the level of depth expected from the IP.
So whilst I don't doubt they can create a turn-based Jagged Alliance with 350k, will it even be as competent / good as JA2...but with updated visuals?
So whilst I don't doubt they can create a turn-based Jagged Alliance with 350k, will it even be as competent / good as JA2...but with updated visuals?
Yep, not only that, but barely achieveing the goal might mean that the costs of extras might end up not making the investment worth it.
