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maxcriden

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #1

I used the methodology of American TV dramas like the older Beverly Hills 90210 (I’m a huge fan!), and Glee as references. In terms of games, a number of games developed outside of Japan had major influence on the storytelling. So if you think about it, I guess you could call Bravely Default a traditional Japanese RPG with American content thrown in.

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http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/02/bravely_default_producer_inspired_by_90210_and_glee

http://www.destructoid.com/bravely-default-producer-inspired-by-beverly-hills-90210-270736.phtml

(I wouldn't have pictured this, but admittedly I haven't played the game.)

 

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LiK

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #2

I can see it.

 

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Caronte

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #3

It all makes sense now.

 

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RedNumberFive

Banned

• Feb 18, 2014

• #4

The direction of this game makes a lot more sense now.

 

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dwuuuu

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #5

loved 90210 growing up !

 

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Kuro

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #6

it kind of does have that feel of young adult TV show sometimes oddly enough.

 

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GloriousBagel

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #7

Ewww Glee? That's disgusting. Watching that show gave me cancer.

 

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massoluk

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #8

I can't see it.

 

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Ouren

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #9

I can't see it

 

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Wilsongt

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #10

Who is Ringabel supposed to be modeled after, then? I see him more of a Joey or Barney from HIMYM character than anyone from Glee.

 

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rugioh

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #11

This is simply............. unacceptable.

 

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eliochip

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #12

Yep. Explains why I really don't give a shit about the story or characters

 

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Incitemaybe

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #13

This is hilarious haha!

 

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DiipuSurotu

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #14

Japanese developers always seem to have the craziest inspirations. Hironobu Sakaguchi was inspired by Terminator 1 and 2 when developing FF1. Yasumi Matsuno was inspired by Jet Li movies when developing Vagrant Story.

 

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massoluk

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #15

I'm seeing Ross, Monica, Rachel and a mix of Chandler/Joey to be honest

 

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Lumpy Onion

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #16

DiipuSurotu said:

Japanese developers always seem to have the craziest inspirations. Hironobu Sakaguchi was inspired by Terminator 1 and 2 when developing FF1. Yasumi Matsuno was inspired by Jet Li movies when developing Vagrant Story.

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Don't think he was inspired by Terminator 2 since it didn't exist yet.

 

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maxcriden

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #17

GrumpyAlien said:

Don't think he was inspired by Terminator 2 since it didn't exist yet.

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He traveled through time just to be inspired. By T2!

 

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kittens

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #18

Haha, amazing.

 

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DiipuSurotu

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #19

GrumpyAlien said:

Don't think he was inspired by Terminator 2 since it didn't exist yet.

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Aha, oops. He must have been referring to the later FFs then. It was in an interview partly about the genesis of FF so I mixed it up:

http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q1-1999/010699d.html

The original source is page 88 in Next Generation issue 50.

 

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Black Door

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #20

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cosmicblizzard

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #21

DiipuSurotu said:

Japanese developers always seem to have the craziest inspirations. Hironobu Sakaguchi was inspired by Terminator 1 and 2 when developing FF1. Yasumi Matsuno was inspired by Jet Li movies when developing Vagrant Story.

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Don't forget Link's Awakening and Twin Peaks.

 

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Santiako

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #22

Just like Glee, it falls apart after the first few chapters.

 

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Eusis

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #23

I'd point out Twin Peaks as better material (... though I haven't really watched 90210 or Glee to know for sure) but we already got Link's Awakening and Deadly Premonition out of that at a minimum. Hell, I suspect Twin Peaks set the tone for Zelda NPCs for the rest of the series.

EDIT: I was beaten and didn't even realize that could've happened.

 

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RangerBAD

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #24

I see more typical Japanese tropes than anything.

 

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slit

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #25

Do Brenda and Dylan break up in the game? Because if so, SOLD!!!

 

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maxcriden

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #26

cosmicblizzard said:

Don't forget Link's Awakening and Twin Peaks.

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Eusis said:

I'd point out Twin Peaks as better material (... though I haven't really watched 90210 or Glee to know for sure) but we already got Link's Awakening and Deadly Premonition out of that at a minimum. Hell, I suspect Twin Peaks set the tone for Zelda NPCs for the rest of the series.

EDIT: I was beaten and didn't even realize that could've happened.

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Wow, I had never heard this and am reading about it now. That's pretty cool, I love Twin Peaks. Thanks for the head's-up, guys!

Aonuma: Whoa, here we go. (laughs) Iwata-san, do you know about Twin Peaks?

Iwata: No. Bring me up to speed. (laughs)

Tezuka: We were talking about this before you arrived. I was talking about fashioning Link’s Awakening with a feel that was somewhat like Twin Peaks. At the time, Twin Peaks was rather popular. The drama was all about a small number of characters in a small town.

Iwata: Okay…

Tezuka: So when it came to Link’s Awakening, I wanted to make something that, while it would be small enough in scope to easily understand, it would have deep and distinctive characteristics.

Aonuma: At the time, I didn’t know what he was talking about. I was like, “What is this guy talking about?” (laughs) But since Twin Peaks was popular at the time…

Iwata: You thought he just wanted to be trendy?

Aonuma: Yeah. (laughs) I thought, “You really want to make Zelda like that?!” Now the mystery is solved. (laughs) When I was reading Tanabe-san’s comments in the strategy guide, I saw, “Tezuka-san suggested we make all the characters suspicious types like in the then-popular Twin Peaks.”

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That is so cool!

 

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QuantumBro

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #27

cosmicblizzard said:

Don't forget Link's Awakening and Twin Peaks.

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Has Twin Peaks ever influenced a bad game, seems like the goldmine to greatness.

 

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Musan

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #28

Cool. Although the most out there videogame inspiration was Ogre Battle and the Bosnian wars of the 1990's.

 

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Qurupeke

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #29

Unacceptable.

 

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MichaelFassbender

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #30

I knew there was some other, less-likely reason I'm not picking this up.

 

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demidar

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #31

QuantumBro said:

Has Twin Peaks ever influenced a bad game, seems like the goldmine to greatness.

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Deadly Premonition?

It's bad, but in a good way.

 

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PK Gaming

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #32

what...?

 

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Ninjimbo

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #33

He has good tastes.

 

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Sora_N

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #34

massoluk said:

I'm seeing Ross, Monica, Rachel and a mix of Chandler/Joey to be honest

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I can't unsee.

 

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QuantumBro

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #35

demidar said:

Deadly Premonition?

It's bad, but in a good way.

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I wouldn't call Deadly Premonition a bad game, just different in an amazing way. Closest thing to a modern Majora's Mask.

 

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Lumpy Onion

Member

• Feb 18, 2014

• #36

Man, it only feels like yesterday that we were chanting DONNA MARTIN GRADUATES and worrying about David's orange juice meth addiction. Hopefully by playing through Bravely Default I can recapture that kind of magic.

 

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Ataru

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #37

I've seen people calling the characters 'anime tropes', but they are actually western/American tropes!?

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I hate the word trope.

 

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PK Gaming

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #38

 

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demidar

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #39

QuantumBro said:

I wouldn't call Deadly Premonition a bad game, just different in an amazing way. Closest thing to a modern Majora's Mask.

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Mechanically it plays like crap and it's poorly optimized. Despite that it still turned out... well not good, but interesting. It's interesting-ness outweighs its badness.

 

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Balmung421

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #40

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Got to this part on my commute this morning. Found it pretty funny.

 

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-Horizon-

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #41

Haha this is news to me.

 

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Fine Ham Abounds

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #42

The game just arrived today from Gamefly finally, but judging from the discussion of the story in the OT, this doesn't surprise me at all.

 

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Red Liquorice

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #43

Yeah I can see it too. I stopped reading all the party chat shit early on.

 

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Marcus

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #44

mrgrgr

 

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Just take it with you.

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• Feb 18, 2014

• #45

DiipuSurotu said:

Japanese developers always seem to have the craziest inspirations. Hironobu Sakaguchi was inspired by Terminator 1 and 2 when developing FF1. Yasumi Matsuno was inspired by Jet Li movies when developing Vagrant Story.

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Yeah, I remember reading that Hiroyuki Itou was inspired by American football of all things when he made the battle system for FF.

 

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DSix

Banned

• Feb 19, 2014

• #46

That explains why I couldn't stand it for long.

 

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Alucrid

Banned

• Feb 19, 2014

• #47

So does this mean all the postulating in this thread is shit? Bravely Default is western at heart.

 

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Dark_castle

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• Feb 19, 2014

• #48

Santiako said:

Just like Glee, it falls apart after the first few chapters.

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ZettaiSeigi

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• Feb 19, 2014

• #49

Glee has got to be one of the worst-written TV shows I've ever seen. I've never seen a show that lacked consistency among its characters and plot. Granted that it has improved somewhat last season (either that or my taste has undeniably worsened - LOL), it still can't be a good inspiration for a video game.

 

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Nerokis

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• Feb 19, 2014

• #50

Alucrid said:

So does this mean all the postulating in this thread is shit? Bravely Default is western at heart.

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Well, it probably is, but I wouldn't agree with that characterization of Bravely Default. That there was inspiration from Western TV series/video games does not change that those things were looked at through a Japanese lens, or that the result does have a distinct Japanese feel.

I'd be interested in hearing more about the "methodology" Asano is referring to. I don't think I've ever heard of 90210 inspiring a video game developer, much less a JRPG developer!