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LTTP: Uncharted Drake's Fortune - Tomb Raider wins

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Uncharted Drake's Fortune was not really what I expected. I've heard so much hype for this game that I had pretty high expectations. I realize the series gets better with parts 2 and 3 but that's not to say this game still didn't get rave reviews. So lets start with the issues.

1 - The camera control. When you are in a platforming portion of the game you cannot rotate your camera at all. It is fixed even when you are standing on top of a stone pillar with nothing but open space around you. This is maddening. It is forcing you to look at a particular location on where to jump next but it is really hard to see. Thus the angles you have to make jumps at can be very award and lead you to falling off and trying it over again. Which leads into the next point.

2 - The platforming is not bad but it is kind of ridiculous in that a lot of times you get to the end of your shimmy platform and you can't really see where you're supposed to jump next. You know that you have to point Drake to the right for example because it is the only way to go. So you do, and take a leap of faith, and it ends up being OK. You grab onto a piece of rock you wouldn't have considered being a valid spot before. The other pretty bad part of platforming in this game is the size of the platforms you have to jump from occasionally. Drake needs a running start to get enough speed to make many of the jumps but some of the platforms you stand on are so small you can't get the running start you need. So you end up doing a standing jump to your death and start over. Drake also feels like he is not grounded but rather floating on air for a lot of the jumping which can lead to hasty movements and falls.

3 - There is a lot of screen tearing and graphical pop in in this game. The game is gorgeous even still today so given what Naughty Dog achieved back in 2007 when it was released makes it even more impressive. But the screen tearing always takes you out of the moment. I think they should have toned it down a bit to fix this.

4 - None of these compare to my biggest complaint though. I came in expecting an adventure with a lot of exploration and following clues and puzzle solving. What I got was a 3rd person shooter. Plain and simple. The amount of exploration and puzzle solving probably makes up 5% of the game whereas the shooting aspect is 85%. Toss in another 10% for platforming. It's too much. You encounter wave after wave of enemies shooting at you. You clear them all out, then walk up the next flight of stairs and you're thrown immediately into another massive firefight. This is how the entire game is and it never deviates. It gets very repetitive and tiresome to battle through firefight after firefight with the shortest of reprieves in platforming or puzzle solving. I can only imaging what this game would have been like on the hardest difficulty. Nooooo thank you.

5 - Weapons. For being a predominantly shooter game, there are no weapon upgrades, customization, or stealth. Stealth is a big one. I think the game might have had stealth aspects to it, but I'll be damned if it was ever mentioned. Never mind the fact it would never have been practical because you don't have a choice but to start each firefight guns blazing. It would have been nice to have a bow or a knife or a strangle option. That would have toned down the monotony of constant bullets spraying. You get a lot of different weapons, but you tend to stick with the same two that have the best range and most ammo.

6- Set pieces. Uncharted set pieces are the craziest, best thing ever! Hyped up too much. Absent in this game for the most part. Again I'm sure they are more abundant and better in the next installments but not here.

Conclusion - I've played Tomb Raider 2013 multiple times on the hardest difficulty so it is hard not to compare the two. Uncharted was the first and Tomb Raider had the benefit of improving upon the entire Uncharted series. But Tomb Raider got it right and is a much better game overall. It has a better balance of exploration and gun fighting. The gun fighting is better. It has customizable weapons and moves. It has melee moves and a large stealth aspect. It has a leveling up system. All things to keep you engaged and wanting to more. The reason I mention this is because I've heard so much praise for Uncharted and a lot of negativity for Tomb Raider. My hope is that Uncharted 2 and 3 will significantly improve which I fully expect them to. But as far as Uncharted Drake's Fortune is concerned, a beautiful game with a lot of issues people seem to overlook. Also need to make another last comparison. I heard a lot of complaints about the Tomb Raider characters. Where was all the great character in Uncharted? I'm sure they develop much more in the next two games but for the first installment, Sully isn't even around for 3/4 of it and everyone else is gun-ho about walking into the next deathly firefight.

TL;DR - Camera Control is bad during platforming sequences. Platforming is clumsy. Screen tearing and pop ins. Biggest complaint is it being a shooter through and through with no stop and minimal exploration/puzzle solving. It's relentless. No stealth, melee is bad, and no weapon customization. No big set pieces. Characters are pretty simple for the first installment of the series which people seemed to complain about in Tomb Raider. Also puzzles are as easy as any in TR and people complained about that as well. TR has better set pieces. Tomb Raider was an overall more complete and better experience.
 
4 - None of these compare to my biggest complaint though. I came in expecting an adventure with a lot of exploration and following clues and puzzle solving. What I got was a 3rd person shooter. Plain and simple. The amount of exploration and puzzle solving probably makes up 5% of the game whereas the shooting aspect is 85%. Toss in another 10% for platforming. It's too much. You encounter wave after wave of enemies shooting at you. You clear them all out, then walk up the next flight of stairs and you're thrown immediately into another massive firefight. This is how the entire game is and it never deviates. It gets very repetitive and tiresome to battle through firefight after firefight with the shortest of reprieves in platforming or puzzle solving. I can only imaging what this game would have been like on the hardest difficulty. Nooooo thank you.
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Not only is it a third-person shooter, but the shooting is about as fun as tooth surgery.
 
You're comparing a game from 2007 to a game from 2013. Each game built upon and adjusted the mechanical infrastructure of the last. This includes Tomb Raider 2013, since it is heavily influenced by Uncharted.
 
There was hype for Uncharted 1? I think you might be mistaken for U2. Even though I personally love the game, it is pretty mediocre. Uncharted 2 is where the franchise really got good.
 
This is more or less what I expected. But the first installment still was reviewed very high. It must have been for the time it was a big feat.

That's exactly it. I love Drake's Fortune, but it's really hard to go back to after the glory that's Among Thieves.
 
Uncharted is like 5 years older than Tomb Raider. Uncharted was also released soon after the PS3 was released and (for me) has that launch-window slightly rushed feel to it. Of course Tomb Raider is better. Try the sequels to Uncharted and then compare. The Uncharted sequels, while still flawed, are much better than the original.
 
Not really the fairest comparison, considering the gap between the games, but, even still, the story and characters in Drake's Fortune are infinitely better and more interesting.

I've played Tomb Raider to completion twice now, and, I still couldn't tell you a single character's name besides Lara Croft.
 
the worse part was uncharted came after gears of war, another 3rd person shooter. I went from gears of war to uncharted and holy crap i couldnt get pass the first couple of hours of uncharted it was so bad in comparison to gears.

My opinion of uncharted 1 was heavily skewed by the fact that i played gears first and i'm guessing the same thing happened with you. There's no way if a person played TR2013 first that they can go to a game as outdated as UC1 and not feel the game is archaic
 
4 - None of these compare to my biggest complaint though. I came in expecting an adventure with a lot of exploration and following clues and puzzle solving. What I got was a 3rd person shooter. Plain and simple.
I can absolutely empathize with this since its exactly how I felt about Tomb Raider 2013.
 
The original Uncharted has a lot of problems. As I said in another thread; loose controls, poor encounter design, the sixaxis grenade mechanic, spongey enemies and so on. Uncharted 2 is a massive step up and the best game to ever come out of Naughty Dog in my opinion.

I'd also add it came out the year after the original Gears of War and had significantly worse combat.
 
Looking forward to U2. And yeah I was careful to make mention of the fact that TR had many years of gaming improvements to implement. Curious to see how it stacks up with U2 and U3.
 
Uncharted 1 receives way too much hate. We must take the game for what it was at the time it released. It was not a perfect game and did have plenty of problems and glitches but it isn't as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. ( No hate to OP)
 
As others have said - go play Uncharted 2 and then come back. You deserve it after putting yourself through the average slog that Uncharted 1 is by today's standards.
 
You're comparing a game from 2007 to a game from 2013. Each game built upon and adjusted the mechanical infrastructure of the last. This includes Tomb Raider 2013, since it is heavily influenced by Uncharted.
This x10. I get frustrated when people play a 5+ year old game then compare it to games that succeeded them, were greatly influenced by them, and simply wouldn't exist without them.

Playing Uncharted in 2007 wasn't exactly a revelation even then -- it was definitely entertaining, but nowhere near the classic status of U2. So it's no wonder almost 8 years later it's not blowing your socks off :P

I'm really curious to see your impressions of U2 and U3 if/when you do play them, as well :)
 
Drake's Fortune was a solid, enjoyable third person shooter in an period in gaming where Gears was the only really quality 3ps out there.

You're playing one of the earliest 3rd person shooters, and the first in its series, to a late generation 3ps that had the benefit of existing in a world post Gears2 and Uncharted 2 and 3.

I love TR 2013, but I still think I prefer the UC series. Uncharted doesn't really come into its own until UC2. And UC3 is awesome, despite the crazy backlash it gets here on GAF.
 
My opinion of uncharted 1 was heavily skewed by the fact that i played gears first and i'm guessing the same thing happened with you. There's no way if a person played TR2013 first that they can go to a game as outdated as UC1 and not feel the game is archaic

Yeah this is it. Feel kinda sad in a way I didn't get to experience it when it was fresh and new.
 
Uncharted is like 5 years older than Tomb Raider. Uncharted was also released soon after the PS3 was released and (for me) has that launch-window slightly rushed feel to it. Of course Tomb Raider is better. Try the sequels to Uncharted and then compare. The Uncharted sequels, while still flawed, are much better than the original.

Wrong, the PS3 had been out over a year before Drake's Fortune dropped.
 
You're comparing a game from 2007 to a game from 2013. Each game built upon and adjusted the mechanical infrastructure of the last. This includes Tomb Raider 2013, since it is heavily influenced by Uncharted.

It's true that it's not a fair comparison, but there are still games from 2007 that have aged much better.
 
U2>U1>U3 for me, TR2013 just don't deserve to be on the list, very forgettable experience (maybe only graphics in some places), never replay it again (unlike U series)
 
God, I hated Uncharted 1.

I thought 2 and 3 improved on every single aspect of the first one, I know a lot of people dislike the third one but I liked it the most out of the three.

TR2013 is on the same level of U1 imo.
 
I for one am surprised that a game which is completely based on another and is released 6 years after that one is better.
 
Conclusion - I've played Tomb Raider 2013 multiple times on the hardest difficulty so it is hard not to compare the two. Uncharted was the first and Tomb Raider had the benefit of improving upon the entire Uncharted series. But Tomb Raider got it right and is a much better game overall.

You mean to tell me a game from the end of a console generation in 2013 has major improvements compared to a first-generation console game from 2007 that is in the same gameplay genre? Do tell.

I still like Uncharted 1 much better because the characters and dialogue are actually likeable.
 
Have you played TLoU?

Yes and notice all the different game play mechanics that were missing in U1. Stealth, survival, exploration, making weapons/upgrades and yes lots of gun fights too.

I'm really curious to see your impressions of U2 and U3 if/when you do play them, as well :)

Me too. And I'll be checking them out for sure.

TR2013 is on the same level of U1 imo.

See I don't get this because there was so much more depth to it in just about every aspect.
 
The bias is really obvious, you're comparing games that are almost a generation apart(six years). You're also completely forgeting how the original tomb raider games played and how uncharted games improved, polished transformed the genre completely. The recent reboot had a major influence from the uncharted series in fact its no longer a tomb raider game. The reboot is still far from perfect even after all of that. The writting and the story is completely laughable for example.
 
Uncharted 1 wasn't that hyped and I don't recall the reviews being amazing either. I think your expectations may have been too high. Personally I loved it just as much as the 2nd. UC2 was more refined in every way but the core of the game was the same imo.

I still like Uncharted 1 much better because the characters and dialogue are actually likeable.

Pretty much this, I couldn't stand anyone in TR but the main 3 in UC are excellent. I also wasn't a massive fan of TR's Metroid-lite setup either.
 
See I don't get this because there was so much more depth to it in just about every aspect.

No, Uncharted is a TPS with some setpieces and a few easy puzzles here and there.

TR2013 is a salad of AAA design gone wrong. TPS + puzzles and platforming that treat you like an idiot, setpieces turned up to 11 to the point it becomes ridiculous, an shallow XP system for those who like to see bars fill up, and a meaningless upgrade system. At least Uncharted knows what it wants to be, while TR screams "me too."
 
Uncharted 1 wasn't that hyped and I don't recall the reviews being amazing either. I think your expectations may have been too high. Personally I loved it just as much as the 2nd. UC2 was more refined in every way but the core of the game was the same imo.

You're forgetting how early PS3 adopters hyped the hell out of it because it was one of the few exclusives that was actually decent for the first third of the PS3's life.

This forum especially was a tad hyperbolic on the word-of-mouth.
 
Sorry that Naughty Dog didn't tailor the game to you. Maybe next franchise they will target the all important demographic of you rather than create a series that millions enjoy.

UC series certainly has it's faults but TR2013 doesn't improve on any of it enough to make up for TR2013's terrible story and characters.

And yeah, the set piece acclaim is for UC2,3 and not UC1, if you're going to criticize people's opinions you should probably actually know what they were first.

Are you going to create a thread for every game ever you didn't like or just cherry pick the ones that make you seem different?
 
Well the the much more compelling characters of Uncharted (compared to the taking itself hilariously seriously GOW and the boring as shit TR) would bring me back to play it more than the other two. I can forgive the sub par gun play. Tomb Raider, for all its touting of a new more compelling story and deeper character of Lara was just nothing. Dont get me wrong, the story of Uncharted was standard action fare, but the characters are just better.
 
Uncharted is a third-person shooter. I'm not sure how you were expecting anything else since the game has been out for almost a decade.
 
You're forgetting how early PS3 adopters hyped the hell out of it because it was one of the few exclusives that was actually decent for the first third of the PS3's life.

This forum especially was a tad hyperbolic on the word-of-mouth.

I wasn't around then so I'll take your word for it, I may not have been on GAF but I was still a fairly big gamer and honestly don't recall that much hype in general.
 
I hated the original Uncharted at first too, until I realized it was a shooter and not actually trying to be a Tomb Raider clone. So once that clicked in my mind I was able to really enjoy it for what it was.

I mean, at least we had two very different takes on the whole Indiana Jones kind of adventure. One based upon exploration and puzzles with some craptastic shooting, and one based upon shooting with some mild exploration and craptastic puzzles.

Its good to have variety.

*cough*
 
Sorry that Naughty Dog didn't tailor the game to you. Maybe next franchise they will target the all important demographic of you rather than create a series that millions enjoy.

UC series certainly has it's faults but TR2013 doesn't improve on any of it enough to make up for TR2013's terrible story and characters.

And yeah, the set piece acclaim is for UC2,3 and not UC1, if you're going to criticize people's opinions you should probably actually know what they were first.

Are you going to create a thread for every game ever you didn't like or just cherry pick the ones that make you seem different?

This post seems really defensive.

He's a consumer. Isn't he entitled to dislike something that doesn't appeal to his tastes? Isn't that one of the bases of capitalism?

You don't just subsume your tastes into some collective and accept the average consensus on a product.

And doesn't this sort of reaction sort of defeat the whole point of an internet forum for gaming?

Of all the series I come across, it feels like Uncharted's fans are the most overly dismissive of criticism.
 
The bias is really obvious, you're comparing games that are almost a generation apart(six years). You're also completely forgeting how the original tomb raider games played and how uncharted games improved, polished transformed the genre completely. The recent reboot had a major influence from the uncharted series in fact its no longer a tomb raider game. The reboot is still far from perfect even after all of that. The writting and the story is completely laughable for example.

I get that I did this. But it's where I personally stand playing TR first. It was a much better game to me. Much like U1 was probably a much better game to the original TR to a lot of people. Guess it shows that U1 might not hold up too well given the advancements in TPS games over the years...even in it's own series.
 
No, Uncharted is a TPS with some setpieces and a few easy puzzles here and there.

TR2013 is a salad of AAA design gone wrong. TPS + puzzles and platforming that treat you like an idiot, setpieces turned up to 11 to the point it becomes ridiculous, an shallow XP system for those who like to see bars fill up, and a meaningless upgrade system. At least Uncharted knows what it wants to be, while TR screams "me too."

This. To this day I'm shocked that people were suckered into believing Tomb Raider's "exploration" and leveling system were anything more than the bullet point fillers they were.
 
The first game really does suffer from the enemy "waves". There's still some of that in 2 and 3 but the combat is much better balanced in terms of clear area/set piece/puzzle/platforming
 
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