plasmawave
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Probably to make it run at 60 fps.
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PopCap dodges whether PvZ: Garden Warfare is 1080p on Xbox One (update: it's 900p)
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Probably to make it run at 60 fps.
so 900p
wonder what it looks like on 360.
This quote is one of the most embarrassing things MS has said and the fact that I still see people acting like it's valid pisses me off to no end.
The ESRAM funnel needs to be significantly more narrow than the GDDR5 pipe for this to be accurate.
Panzerkrei
Banned
This is becoming embarrassing, Microsoft needs to admit it made the wrong descions or developers need to step the fuck up.
Ragnarok
Member
it looks fine but absolutely not something i ever expected to have to run sub1080p on a "next-gen" console.
Bluekaveli
Member
Roflmfao
Or maybe because that the hardware inside Xbox One is too weak to output Native 1080p properly, let alone Native 1080p w/60 FPS.
Man, it must really hurt you that you must click on a thread you don't like, read and respond to it.
QuantumZebra
Member
Honestly from what I've heard, the ESRAM is a bottleneck in itself (it just isn't enough to do much with and complicates matters) and the DDR3 is a definite bottleneck to reaching parity with the PS4 in cross-platform games.
AKA Microsoft fucked up bad when they could've just thrown GDDR5 in the thing.
Yep, just say whatever the resolution is and keep it moving. I'd respect that far more, than this transparent pussy-footing.
Majmun
Member
This probably isn't accurate, but since no one is really giving you an image, I thought I'd help out homie
Wow, Lawrence Fishburne looks great in all resolutions *.*
Delusibeta
Banned
Pretty much. Trying to run a graphic card on DDR3 is dumb, and 32Mb is nowhere near enough fast RAM for the graphic card to not dip into the slow stuff.
zeorhymer
Member
As far as the game is concerned, no. But the underlying issue (if it is an issue) is that you spent $100 more on a console that your competitor can do better.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Yooooo
Ragnarok
Member
Ok, I lol'd
I hope not.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
What can I say, we live in an age where everyone thinks they have a good opinion and fell that everyone should know it.
60fps
We also participate in a forum where thread whining isn't acceptable.
1080P BF4 PS4 patch incoming?!
SEGAvangelist
Member
Joke fail?
statham
Member
at 60fps, I can see it, 1080 will be 30 fps games.
exclusive to battlefield premium.
Yes. The system main unified memory is DDR3. It's absolutely a huge bottneck, and the reason why eSRAM is in there to sort of help the system out. Problem is there's only 32MB of it.
Not even the 360 used DDR3. They used GDDR3 with a higher bus speed. You need fast memory bus to pipe in huge next gen assets.
DDR3 < GDDR3 < PCIe < GDDR5 in terms of speed and bandwidth.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Get used to resolutions being all over the place.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Mattrick and Ballmer? *shrugs*
Why did MS choose to downgrade from GDDR to DDR?
KINGofCRA5H
Member
So, this is gonna be a thing for the next few years, then. At least until the devs figure out how to better work with it.
Ravijn
Member
The Boom Boom Dollar.
so 900p
wonder what it looks like on 360.
Just seeing this image made me check out what flavour of idiocy @PNF4LYFE was currently spewing out, but it seems he's been banned from twitter.
It really takes a special amount of effort to get yourself banned on twitter
Strangely, he called him out on the comment, but seems to have
PJV3
Member
He was pissing people off at Ready at Dawn last time I heard.
They couldn't because they needed 8GB minimum for Apps/Snap/3OS/Kinect. DDR3 was the only cost effective option when designing it.
Just like they can't have their cake and eat it too. They chose this. Period. Stop the parity BS, because you didn't design and plan it for that.
Stop lying about the power and put up or shut up about that "vision" that was the reason in the first place. Visions are nice, but lets see implementations that make gamers go, "sure, I get it, its worth it". Execute!
Just wishful thinking. Gotta get it out of alpha first.
Poundis Rex
Banned
Except that the esram isn't the culprit of sub 1080 games. It isn't a bottleneck. The rops are. I invite you to the b3d forums for the proof if you want it.
Dragonborn
Member
Yup, it was incredibly refreshing to see Kojima be completely straight and put the differences out there. More devs should do exactly that.
Some 1080p games, though I think 720/60 or 900/30 will be far more common. Thief is 30FPS game running at 900 and I believe TR also dips to 900p in certain cut scenes.
jediyoshi
Member
so 900p
wonder what it looks like on 360.
All future X1 games to be 480p confirmed.
How about this?
Well Done
Future PhaZe
Member
My guess is with ATI and Nvidia moving exclusively to GDDR5 on most cards, demand and production is winding down. That means costs will be rising on it, and eventually it won't be commercial available.
DDR3 will eventually be phased out for DDR4, but it's a long ways off. DDR3 is also very cheap atm in its life cycle and widely available.
For reference PS4 was planned with as little as 2GB of GDDR5, settled on 4GB, and got 8GB through the planets aligning just right (2GB chip fabs becoming commercial viable in early 2013). Since they planned on that type since 2010 (most likely), no hardware changes were needed.
Strangely enough its also the first time a Sony console hasn't had a convoluted and slower memory architecture. Dev yelled from the roof, and Cerny complied apparently. Now those dividends with a little luck are paying off.
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