Triggerhappytel
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Wait, are IAPs/micro-transactions referred to as 'Mattricks' now? As in Don Mattrick?
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Kotaku: "Microtransactions Coming To Garden Warfare This Week. Thank Goodness."
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Wait, are IAPs/micro-transactions referred to as 'Mattricks' now? As in Don Mattrick?
It's a lot of fun. Easily my favorite multiplayer of the generation so far.
Tons of fun. With the recent updates it's gotten even better.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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This needs to be plastered all over the place before this thread/idea gets out of hand. PvZ GW is a GODSEND in today's demographic as far as gameplay is concerned.
You could spend time finding out for yourself, alternatively I will be able to advise you for 100,000 coins.
Sir_Crocodile
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Wah? What's this all about?
This is Fahey's opinion. He qualifies his position right in the opening statement of the article.
Posters have stated that it's very easy to gain credits in GW, which is fantastic. Maybe Fahey has less time than anyone here. If EA has implemented a microtransaction route that serves those without time and doesn't harm the habits of those who do have time, then I think that's fine, personally. I've not played the game myself, but this could be one of those rare situations where the proposed "choice" balances out as fair to all parties. Unless you're contrarian simply because the option exists to give "evil publishers" more money.
Fahey said:
Posters have stated that it's very easy to gain credits in GW, which is fantastic. Maybe Fahey has less time than anyone here. If EA has implemented a microtransaction route that serves those without time and doesn't harm the habits of those who do have time, then I think that's fine, personally. I've not played the game myself, but this could be one of those rare situations where the proposed "choice" balances out as fair to all parties. Unless you're contrarian simply because the option exists to give "evil publishers" more money.
SteveWinwood
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Or is it?
Considering the coin gain structure of the game, it seems like an easy fit for microtranction stuff to be added or as part of the plan. Did the game ever feel like a grind? Would EA ever raise prices on in game stuff or reduce coin gain rate?
At least with CS:GO you can easily get the skins you want without gambling with crates and keys, and it's just cosmetic items (for now.)
At least with CS:GO you can easily get the skins you want without gambling with crates and keys, and it's just cosmetic items (for now.)
Pretty much this- I don't have a problem with games that have you pay for more customization or individual variety, if they give more content that everyone can enjoy for free (PvZ GW, ME3, or also Killzone Shadow Fall). In those cases, everyone gets content that is needed to play together, and the fans can decide if they want to support the dev or not.
Yeah, it's from a Bosman episode once where he suggested them as a new name.
Easier to write than "Microtransactions" all the time
Pardon me if I once again roll my eyes at the company boy once again defending snack review, internet cafe crime, cosplay photo, okay feature story once a month sensationalist website Kotaku.com. You remember when your boss totally downplayed Robert Florence's legitimate criticisms of the relationship between PR and game journalists? I think that's a lot more ignorant than anything I come up with and reeks of, you guessed it, an apologist slant.
I guess I shouldn't single out Kotaku since many journalists in the games press are hacks but it's pretty easy to do when someone says as stupid and thoughtless as 'capitalism is not a dirty word'.
I don't get this kind of micro transaction "I completed the game by paying $60 more bucks"
Play the game in your spare time and at your own pace, it's about fun not a race to collect them all....
Also the danger here
KIDS + Xbox live + Micro transactions = Bitching parents claiming little timmy, whilst being baby sat by his xbox bought $900 worth of coins.
but that'll be a future kotaku post anyway.
KID BUYS $900 WORTH OF PvZ COINS......
Play the game in your spare time and at your own pace, it's about fun not a race to collect them all....
Also the danger here
KIDS + Xbox live + Micro transactions = Bitching parents claiming little timmy, whilst being baby sat by his xbox bought $900 worth of coins.
but that'll be a future kotaku post anyway.
KID BUYS $900 WORTH OF PvZ COINS......
JesseEwiak
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When it comes to non-essential luxury goods like video games, capitalism isn't a dirty word. Don't like the game, don't play it.
Salvor.Hardin
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Interesting. Can you tell us a bit about what you guys have been through? You don't have to name names (if you don't want to!), but give I'd love to know more about what games journalists have to put up with.
In short, Jason attacked George Kamitani (president of Vanillaware and creator of Dragon's Crown) with that article someone posted up there, Kamitani snarked back at Jason, Jason took offense to Kamitani's reply, which sort of implies a homo agenda, writes about it, other writers from sites like Gamasutra took offense to the gay joke, barrage down on Kamitani.
Both sides are wrong, but it wouldn't have happened if not for that original clickbait line, would it?
Takes two hands to clap and whatever.
I love Jason's view on JRPGs. I really do, or even when he get some of the scoops on Fallout 4 and what's not. Those kind of articles though? Naaah.
Arkage
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His title was obviously written in such a way as to provoke controversy, which is the biggest problem. Classic click-bate.
Beyond that, let the company take his money like the whale he is. People happily spend money on stupid shit all the time, this is no different. I do find it concerning that they're now trying to justify MTs by saying they help for for free maps. Are we to assume if the MTs don't sell we don't get maps? Doubtful.
Beyond that, let the company take his money like the whale he is. People happily spend money on stupid shit all the time, this is no different. I do find it concerning that they're now trying to justify MTs by saying they help for for free maps. Are we to assume if the MTs don't sell we don't get maps? Doubtful.
Good ole apologist Kotaku. Countdown to Jason linking me to something where they are 'tough' on game companies.
I can't fucking believe that guy. Ho-ly shit.
I don't see the problem? If you can get those items by just playing the game, what's the big deal? They are giving you options.
Yes you can say: "They made it extra difficult to get those items, so you will have to use money". But imo this is bullshit. People love challenges, but when it is also linked to money challenges are suddenly no longer challenges but stupid?
Am I misunderstanding the whole situation or are people hypocrites?
Yes you can say: "They made it extra difficult to get those items, so you will have to use money". But imo this is bullshit. People love challenges, but when it is also linked to money challenges are suddenly no longer challenges but stupid?
Am I misunderstanding the whole situation or are people hypocrites?
Actually I want names. If you're going to use it as a defense against being called apologists, then either put up or shut up.
I definitely don't view Kotaku on the whole as "apologist." You do have writers that strongly lean the other way (often you, especially). However, that is a really questionably worded piece from Mr. Fahey, I think. He does come off as a whale that is begging for his money to be taken. It's a bit off-putting with all the reports contradicting him in how fast credits can be earned in the game.
Sir_Crocodile
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Ahhhh, I remember that one. Yeah, that was a garbage tier article from kotaku.
He's not going to do anything. Jason just blows a lot of smoke and leaves until the next time someone takes a rightful dump on some sensationalist Kotaku dross.
Roland1979
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What have you been through with video game publishers over the past few months?
It is not the challenge, It is the grinding to get the coins that people are complaining about. No one likes grinding.
Devilgunman
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This is the quote he replied to
Good ole apologist Kotaku. Countdown to Jason linking me to something where they are 'tough' on game companies.
So long the day we all need to invest times in video game to unlock things.
Delusibeta
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Ah, perhaps the finest slice of games_journalism.txt I've come across in a while. Next time a games journalist ponders out loud why everyone assumes he/she is a shill by default, link them to that Kotaku article.
Fantastapotamus
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Nobody questioned that.
That can literally be said about anything. Don't like the grind in Final Fantasy? Pay us 1,99 for the double XP Pack! Don't like this part of the game? You can skip it, for just 99 Cents! Out of ammo? Don't worry, with our super special 1,50 offer, you'll never run out again. It's the best deal!
How about instead of thanking publishers for that and begging them to implement it, you fucking critize the grind, the shortage of munition or the shitty part of the level and ask them to change it? You know, for free? That's my problem here, not the MTAs itself. To me this is less about EA implementing them and more about thanking them for it.
Would it be fine if Konami offered a "skip the stealth sections" pack for Castlevania 2? Yo can do them, they are just boring and awefull! But totally doable, if you just spend enough time! No, because they created the fucking broken stealth sections. If I already bought the game I shouldn't pay the publisher again to have fun with it.
SteveWinwood
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I wish I just had the time for video games at all. Can I pay someone to complete them for me and then I won't have to bother anymore!
You're only telling half the story in regards to CSGO. You get both crates and weapon skins from playing or spectating certain matches. The weapon skins you get as straight drops are often of a lesser rarity or quality than the ones contained in the crates, but there's 0 risk involved with these.
Also, you can sell anything you get (crates, sticker capsules, weapon skins, etc.) on the Steam Marketplace to earn money to buy keys to open crates, or even to buy any skin you want as long as it's listed on the Marketplace by another player. Also add to this that you can find other players to do trades (one player can give another their items in exchange for nothing.)
Also, you can use betting services like CSGO Lounge to reap hilarious sums of skins and items from betting on professional tournament matches that result in victories for you.
peanutbutterlatte
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SteveWinwood
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I've made like 20 bucks in steam money through cs go so I'm of the mind valve is doing something right there.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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cookie-monster
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notaklu
CambriaRising
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Jim Sterling · 3h
"Kotaku's attitude toward the PvZ:GW microtransactions is sad. Relief about the solving of a problem EA *made* to sell us a solution. Ugh."
"Kotaku's attitude toward the PvZ:GW microtransactions is sad. Relief about the solving of a problem EA *made* to sell us a solution. Ugh."
Vermillion
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Good ole apologist Kotaku. Countdown to Jason linking me to something where they are 'tough' on game companies.
Not going to comment on the thread as a whole, but... for the most part, I fucks with capitalism.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Have you played the game? If so, for how long?
The Cowboy
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Which is weird because anyone I've spoken to (or read posts on) about the game state the coins aren't a grind at all, in fact - they state the coins are super easy to get and you can build up a lot in a very short time.
Ray Wonder
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OP is on point, I agree with everything you said.
NoirVisage
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Isn't Kotaku a gaming "blog"? What could you possibly have been through outside of advertizing deals that warrants sympathy?
I understand your point, but I'm not sure if playing and enjoying the game should be seen as grinding. It is not like in MMO's where you go and fight the same NPC's over and over again to get certain items to craft what you want. If you think getting those Items is a real grind, you are simply not enjoying the game and a skin will not change that (maybe 1-2 games at best). If that is the case, you are playing the game for the wrong reasons and only you as a player are the issue then.
Hope you understand what I mean. Mostly comes down to; people bitch to much nowadays.
Edit: Agree with Gestault.
My opinion is that unless the core design of the game progression was criticized by a particular person, a subsequent layer of monetization after-the-fact really is a player choice. My impression from a wide range of players was that the game, as delivered, stood perfectly well as a stand-alone experience. I think it's pointless for the media to celebrate micro-transactions (since it's a deliberately constructed "problem" being solved), but I think some of the criticism directed toward the game and monetization in general is misplaced.
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