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Fitness |OT6| Defying gravity, Quest madness, and Muscle Shaming

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Alright guys, one month until I start the summer progress thread in OT. Wanted to give a firm date so people have something to shoot for. July 5th it is. Perfect timing for us Yanks as we will be primed for the holiday. By no means does this imply you can't post in August or September when you may be ready but it's happening in a month!

So get those abs popping or that mass maximized. It's for all of us now and not reserved for all the shredded members. Wear the shirt you think you look best in. Don't wear one. Highlight the trunks or take a waste up picture. Post before and afters. Do whatever the hell you want. Let's represent this great group and see if we can get others to join in.

Sir! yes, sir!

Although I think I might jump the gun a little bit, since June 4th was the end of my first lifting year. Gonna stitch my before and after tonight.

EDIT: Well whaduya know... landed on the top of the last page. How quaint.
 
Thanks for all the people who constantly share advice or even just pics. I have a long way to go and it is a great motivation along the path.
 

Cooper

Member
Finally there is some results though. Even if I still think I don't see them, my seamstress who does basicly all my everyday clothes informed me today that my waist is 10 cm / 4 inches smaller than it was on February. That is a lot, right?

Wow, awesome. Keep up your routine, as it's obviously effective for you!
 

Sadetar

Member
I fell a bit bad that I am 6th place and I don't know that much about anything, to be honest.

I am a bit addicted to gaf and this community I guess...
Hahah, honey, I feel you there. I know nothing, but I really love the community we have in here. ^_^

Me 159 posts in this thread 0_0

I should troll less and lift more
Nonsense. We love your presence in here. :D

Wow, awesome. Keep up your routine, as it's obviously effective for you!
Awww, thanks darling and I definitely will!

I am just overly excited that I can actually go to gym and work out. Around the New Year there were two months when I was basicly unable to do anything. Walking was the only think I had a permission to do and even then five minutes walking was a serious pain. I am just so grateful that I feel well enough to go jogging and gym and all that.

Also this place and you sweeties have been a huge motivation for me so this is partly your doing. <3
 

Leeness

Member
Okay, I've worked out every day since last Saturday...

I'm considering just chilling out tonight, but I know I shouldn't.

What say you? 20 minutes? 40 minutes? Or be a lazy slob?

also, Sadetar, 4 inches is AWESOME. If I could lose 4 inches, I'd be so happy.
 
Okay, I've worked out every day since last Saturday...

I'm considering just chilling out tonight, but I know I shouldn't.

What say you? 20 minutes? 40 minutes? Or be a lazy slob?

also, Sadetar, 4 inches is AWESOME. If I could lose 4 inches, I'd be so happy.

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You're overworking yourself. Rest is just as important as working out. You're damaging your body by not letting it recover properly.

You won't lose weight by forcing the progress.
 

Ashodin

Member
VJWsXW8.jpg


Dat new clothes

Workout:

10x 60lb Weight Pull Up Things
8x 70lb Weight Pull Up Things
5x 80lb Weight Pull Up Things

10x 80lb Benchpress
8x 90lb Benchpress
No 100lbs :( Maybe Next time!

50x 100lb Forward Crunch Machine
20x 110lb Forward Crunch Machine

50x 120lb Leg Lift Machine

15x 80lb Lat Bar

9x 80lb Torso Bar thing

Cardio 35 min after

Time for a quick run around the block (jog + walk)!~

Fitness GAF we in this!

Edit: Leeness you need rest days. Body needs to recover and fix the damage you're doing to it.
 

Leeness

Member
WhyWouldYouDoThat.jpg

You're overworking yourself. Rest is just as important as working out. You're damaging your body by not letting it recover properly.

You won't lose weight by forcing the progress.

20/40 minutes isn't that much a day. :(

I think I need to go shopping anyway, so...maybe I will pick up food and it will be too late by the time I get home :)
 

Sadetar

Member
Okay, I've worked out every day since last Saturday...

I'm considering just chilling out tonight, but I know I shouldn't.

What say you? 20 minutes? 40 minutes? Or be a lazy slob?

also, Sadetar, 4 inches is AWESOME. If I could lose 4 inches, I'd be so happy.
Thank you honey. ^_^ I am very happy with that. I wouldn't have even noticed it myself, but thank gods my seamstress measures me quite often. :p

Don't be so hard on yourself! I am sure you will do incredibly well!

Also I would say that you need your rest and your sleep! Especially if you are just starting with working out, too much too early will just do harm. I would say that keep at least two rest days in a week and try to have big variety in the things that you do. At least those have seemed to work for me. :)

Don't pay any attention to people who say their warm up is 20 minutes. Your goals are different compared to him/her and you are just starting and making your body used to working out.

Have a rest day without thinking anything bad about it! Just remember to eat healthy and it will be just good for you.
 

Cudder

Member
VJWsXW8.jpg


Dat new clothes

Workout:

10x 60lb Weight Pull Up Things
8x 70lb Weight Pull Up Things
5x 80lb Weight Pull Up Things

10x 80lb Benchpress
8x 90lb Benchpress
No 100lbs :( Maybe Next time!

50x 100lb Forward Crunch Machine
20x 110lb Forward Crunch Machine

50x 120lb Leg Lift Machine

15x 80lb Lat Bar

9x 80lb Torso Bar thing

Cardio 35 min after

Time for a quick run around the block (jog + walk)!~

Fitness GAF we in this!

Edit: Leeness you need rest days. Body needs to recover and fix the damage you're doing to it.

What kind of routine is this? Are you just doing whatever when you go to the gym? I ask because not only does it look like a bunch of random stuff, but because you don't even know the names of the exercises you're doing I can't put anything together. Also, I'm pretty sure if you can bench 90lbs 8x, you CAN bench 100lbs.
 

Ashodin

Member
What kind of routine is this? Are you just doing whatever when you go to the gym? I ask because not only does it look like a bunch of random stuff, but because you don't even know the names of the exercises you're doing I can't put anything together. Also, I'm pretty sure if you can bench 90lbs 8x, you CAN bench 100lbs.

Turns out I was herp derping and doing cardio before lifting, so today was the first time switching 'er around. And the routine has evolved from what I was previously doing, which I strive to do about or more of the same listed above on each one. And I don't know the exercise names because I'm terrible at remembering them. Sorry!

Ultimate goal: Thin with some muscle.
 
20/40 minutes isn't that much a day. :(

If its a very intensive workout, it is more than enough. The point of working out isn't to stress yourself every single day, but patiently and persistently push yourself on a steady course. In between you will need rest to recover, otherwise your body won't be able to rebuild itself, and continue that progress.

A.k.a: you-won't-lose-weight. Seen from a certain optic It's not a "sprint", It's a "marathon".

Besides working out is outweighed by diet. Working contributes to an overall healthy base body, but proper nutrition manipulates the way your body alters and looks.
 

SeanR1221

Member
Turns out I was herp derping and doing cardio before lifting, so today was the first time switching 'er around. And the routine has evolved from what I was previously doing, which I strive to do about or more of the same listed above on each one. And I don't know the exercise names because I'm terrible at remembering them. Sorry!

Ultimate goal: Thin with some muscle.

I would honestly have an actual plan with some form of linear progression.
 

Matugi

Member
Weighing in at 162.5 this morning. Striation is definitely starting to come in on my chest and shoulders, abs starting to be visible. Traps exploding. Feels good mane
 
It IS a plan. I do about the same reps a day, and I push it up a notch (few extra reps) or try another weight class.

Besides listening to what Sean is telling you, I would also encourage you to read into compound lifting instead of dodging it like flying feces.
 

Mully

Member
It IS a plan. I do about the same reps a day, and I push it up a notch (few extra reps) or try another weight class.

Sean means looking into programs such as Starting Strength or a simplified program that gives you a clear goal and idea of the exercises you're doing. It's cool to check out equipment, it's even cooler to know what it does and how to use it correctly based on whatever your goal is.

Best of luck!
 
Some Starting Strength progress, after about 10 weeks.

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BP - 135 -> 190
OHP - 65 -> 125
Squat - 135 -> 245
DL - 110 -> 200

(I work in kg so rounding for lbs might not be exact. Figured I'd just try to be US friendly and those numbers look bigger so...)


Last few workouts I've been stuck on everything except DL (where I feel I can do a lot better yet), so I don't know how much higher I'll be going anytime soon :| I'll probably deload as per the program to make sure my form is doing the right thing. Especially on squats I can feel that "bad things" might happen on the last few reps.

Anybody else up around 6' 5" want to provide some advice about how heavy you can go? My feeling is my body isn't built to lift much heavier, because I'm more stick like than beast like and that will likely never change. On the other hand, I'm probably just looking for excuses.

Either way I see many years ahead of me but I'm still enjoying it.

The reason I'm not doing those programs is because I can't understand them. It's like reading another language.

I'm very much a beginner too, so I'd be happy to help pass on things I picked up if you have something specific.
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
The reason I'm not doing those programs is because I can't understand them. It's like reading another language.
Ask questions and then ask some more. I'm loving your enthusiasm but trust myself and others when we offer advice. Many of us have spent years messing around that we would kill to have back with our current knowledge.
 

Chocobro

Member

Ashodin

Member
Well my problem is there's too much jargon. It's incredibly hard to understand what lat this, trap that, con this, fro that means, especially when people like to exclaim "what does this movement for you get you towards" like I'm already deep into the process. It makes me flustered because I feel like I'm expected to respond with "this times that = omg awesome muscle name, brah".

Secondly, I don't particularly feel like I know my body and/or anatomy as well as I should to be using those programs, since I won't be sure of what I'm doing.

So I'm just doing the machines that feel like they're doing their job, and maintaining a good amount of use on each, to keep a steady rhythm of workout.

Thirdly, I don't have access to all the machines the other guides ask for or suggest you do, so I can't "do the routine". So I've made my own.
 
Well my problem is there's too much jargon. It's incredibly hard to understand what lat this, trap that, con this, fro that means, especially when people like to exclaim "what does this movement for you get you towards" like I'm already deep into the process. It makes me flustered because I feel like I'm expected to respond with "this times that = omg awesome muscle name, brah".

Secondly, I don't particularly feel like I know my body and/or anatomy as well as I should to be using those programs, since I won't be sure of what I'm doing.

So I'm just doing the machines that feel like they're doing their job, and maintaining a good amount of use on each, to keep a steady rhythm of workout.

Thirdly, I don't have access to all the machines the other guides ask for or suggest you do, so I can't "do the routine". So I've made my own.

If you're in doubt, ask. We're here to help.

Nobody expects you to memorise the latin spelling on every single muscle group(s) and their specific locations. Simple terms like back, upper arms, legs etc. will do fine.

Ultimately it benefits you, to know what you are working, instead of rowing away with a faint idea of something you think seems familiar.

All these "jargon" are as ambigious to you, as stating "thin body with muscles" is to others.

Everybody starts somewhere, and again, let me emphasize, we're here to help you. You might not "get" these programs now, but by asking and experimenting you'll eventually understand their concept.
 

Ashodin

Member
If you're in doubt, ask. We're here to help.

Nobody expects you to memorise the latin spelling on every single muscle and their location. Simple terms like back, upper arms, legs etc. will do fne.

Ultimately it benefits you, to know what you are working.

All these "jargon" are as ambigious to you, as stating "thin body with muscles" is to others.

Everybody starts somewhere, and again, let me emphasize, we're here to help you. You might not "get" these programs now, but by asking and experimenting you'll eventually understand their concept.

Okay, I'm glad you guys can help me, thanks. When I'm stating "thin body with muscles" though, I'm not trying to have you critique what I'm saying. I'm just stating what my goals are and what I'm after. Unfortunately, I can't do the programs in the OP because I have no way of doing them at all. So I'm doing what I can. That's all.
 

Sadetar

Member
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Oh honey, that is so sweet of you to say! ^_^

all i want for christmas is veins, traps, and calves
I wouldn't mind those either, if they would be attached to some sexy beast like you. :p

Some Starting Strength progress, after about 10 weeks.

2monthsirulw.jpg

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Either way I see many years ahead of me but I'm still enjoying it.
You look incredible. Just letting you know. I am trying not to drool too much to my keyboard.

Okay, I'm glad you guys can help me, thanks. When I'm stating "thin body with muscles" though, I'm not trying to have you critique what I'm saying. I'm just stating what my goals are and what I'm after. Unfortunately, I can't do the programs in the OP because I have no way of doing them at all. So I'm doing what I can. That's all.
This is the awesomeness of this thread.

Even if people in here would give you some critic, they do it to help you. Honestly.

They will also help you to get the best results with the things that are available to you. You can also work quite much and very efficiently with just your own body weight. I am sure that what ever your doubts may be, there is always advices to help you out.
 

Mully

Member
Well my problem is there's too much jargon. It's incredibly hard to understand what lat this, trap that, con this, fro that means, especially when people like to exclaim "what does this movement for you get you towards" like I'm already deep into the process. It makes me flustered because I feel like I'm expected to respond with "this times that = omg awesome muscle name, brah".

Secondly, I don't particularly feel like I know my body and/or anatomy as well as I should to be using those programs, since I won't be sure of what I'm doing.

So I'm just doing the machines that feel like they're doing their job, and maintaining a good amount of use on each, to keep a steady rhythm of workout.

Thirdly, I don't have access to all the machines the other guides ask for or suggest you do, so I can't "do the routine". So I've made my own.

Jargon is a part of every hobby, industry, and friendship. There's a special language for everything. Don't be discouraged if you don't know something. Everyone has to start from the beginning.

Speaking of which, to (intelligently) get involved in fitness, you obviously had some a goal in mind. What do you want to get out of working out? Looks? Strength? Improved fitness? Knowing what your goal is, is probably the most important thing each time you enter the gym. Having a specific goal helps you and us better understand what exercises you should be doing. Goals help you understand what muscles you need to improve and knowing your major muscle groups is pretty important. Lats and Traps are muscles high on your back. Both are used extensively in shoulder and back exercises.

Machines are good, but they focus on movements that are isolated to only one or two muscles. That may be good if you're trying to improve the strength of one particular muscle, but using them exclusively is not as efficient as doing compound exercises.

Squats, benching, shoulder pressing with an Olympic bar are all compound exercises. That means that a variety of muscles are working hard to push or pull that bar, stabilize your body from being crushed by the weight, and helping other larger muscles from popping under the weight. You and your body get more out of doing compound lifts than you ever will with an isolated exercise from a machine.

Although compound lifts are better, it all depends on what you have around you. One thing you should always ask yourself is if you have the right equipment to meet your goals, and how can you improvise with the equipment that you have. Do you have a gym membership?

I know this can all be overwhelming, especially in the beginning; you just want to work out.

"Why are these guys saying I'm doing the wrong thing? I just want to look good and these machines look like they'll get me there."

Be patient and open to what we have to say here. Guys like Cooter and Darth were once in your current position. They didn't know shit about weight lifting, nutrition, and fitness. They had to learn from someone else, and that's okay. Be open to what we have to say here and again, best of luck!
 

Ashodin

Member
Basically all I want to do is make the muscles on my forearm and upper arm get bigger, somewhat, as well as tone my chest and stomach. My legs are okay to get toned and/or bigger as well.

The machines I have at my disposal:

Arm curl thing
Benchpress Machine
Lateral press & Combo rowing machine
That one machine that works out your pecs
Forward crunch curl thing?
Leg lift machine?

I have no way to do any compound exercises. I don't have a gym membership because I believe I can get the workout I need from my gym, as well as I have no way to get to the gym when I need to (and don't have time).

And some step machines for Cardio.
 

Mully

Member
Basically all I want to do is make the muscles on my forearm and upper arm get bigger, somewhat, as well as tone my chest and stomach. My legs are okay to get toned and/or bigger as well.

The machines I have at my disposal:

Arm curl thing
Benchpress Machine
Lateral press & Combo rowing machine
That one machine that works out your pecs
Forward crunch curl thing?
Leg lift machine?

I have no way to do any compound exercises.

And some step machines for Cardio.

Where are you working out currently? Can you afford $10-$20/month for a gym membership?
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
all i want for christmas is veins, traps, and calves
Dude, you amaze me. You more than anyone here change the most. Keep it up brotha. I didn't have much in the way of traps for 10 years btw . Keep at it and the Trapload shall reward you!
 

KingJolly

Banned
So I just started to go to the gym today. I had no idea how to start.

So I did 24 minutes jogging on the treadmill
then did some bicep curls, back pulls, tricep pulldown and close grip chest machine for the next 46 minutes.

Can you guys give me any advice on how I should divide my work outs and how many reps/sets I should do as a beginner? My aim is to go from overweight to toned. Its going to be a lot of work but I'm ready for it.
 

Mully

Member
I don't have a gym membership because I believe I can get the workout I need from my gym, as well as I have no way to get to the gym when I need to (and don't have time).

To be a bit frank here, you don't even know the name of the machines you're working out on. I'm impressed and jealous you're confident enough to make such a statement, but I think you need to take a step back and leave your ego at the door. We're trying to help you. If you're able to find a better gym, do it, because the stuff and program you're on right now is not going to get you towards your goals.
 

Leeness

Member
Thank you honey. ^_^ I am very happy with that. I wouldn't have even noticed it myself, but thank gods my seamstress measures me quite often. :p

Don't be so hard on yourself! I am sure you will do incredibly well!

Also I would say that you need your rest and your sleep! Especially if you are just starting with working out, too much too early will just do harm. I would say that keep at least two rest days in a week and try to have big variety in the things that you do. At least those have seemed to work for me. :)

Don't pay any attention to people who say their warm up is 20 minutes. Your goals are different compared to him/her and you are just starting and making your body used to working out.

Have a rest day without thinking anything bad about it! Just remember to eat healthy and it will be just good for you.

Always measure! Better than the scale!

I will rest today I guess. :( I shouldn't but I walked around a bit so better than nothing. I want to play FFX though... Lol

Depends what the 20-40 minutes is. Your body needs rest, but you can easily work out every day if you are not maxing yourself out.

I say do it if you feel like you need it. You'll feel good after.

I think I work pretty hard. I'm always out of breath/aching and my muscles hurt the next day. I'm guessing you guys would find it easy though :(

If its a very intensive workout, it is more than enough. The point of working out isn't to stress yourself every single day, but patiently and persistently push yourself on a steady course. In between you will need rest to recover, otherwise your body won't be able to rebuild itself, and continue that progress.

A.k.a: you-won't-lose-weight. Seen from a certain optic It's not a "sprint", It's a "marathon".

Besides working out is outweighed by diet. Working contributes to an overall healthy base body, but proper nutrition manipulates the way your body alters and looks.

I only have three months!

I will eat well tonight then and take one off... I feel lazy though.

Tomorrow will be an extra work out! Maybe I'll do my strength one tomorrow since I won't have to be in bed by 9. Three strength work outs this week should be good.
 

Cudder

Member
I think I might need a change in program, for the last little while I'd be completely out of it for most of my workout, dazed, tired, wanting to go home. All I care about anymore is my first compound exercise I do that day and then I basically fuck around for the rest of the workout, not putting in nearly as much effort as I should be because "I already did my main lift today". Its such a shitty frame of mind to be in, and I hate it.

I think it might be time to pull back and really go over what kind of program I need to be doing at this stage.

That said, my deadlifts and squats are still going up in weight each week so stopping when I'm at the pique of my current program seems silly.

I think I'm going to take some time, sit down, and really focus on putting together a new program for myself that actually motivates me to want to do it.
 

Faiz

Member
Okay, I'm glad you guys can help me, thanks. When I'm stating "thin body with muscles" though, I'm not trying to have you critique what I'm saying. I'm just stating what my goals are and what I'm after. Unfortunately, I can't do the programs in the OP because I have no way of doing them at all. So I'm doing what I can. That's all.

Whoah man, no one is critiquing what you are saying. It was questioned because it wasn't clear, and understanding a person's goals clearly is key to offering helpful advice.
 
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