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And you know this how? Non-whites don't get harsher sentencing? Prison inmates are evenly distributed between all races?She suffered no oppression that isn't forced upon everyone else.
And you know this how? Non-whites don't get harsher sentencing? Prison inmates are evenly distributed between all races?She suffered no oppression that isn't forced upon everyone else.
She suffered no oppression that isn't forced upon everyone else. They're called laws, they seem to have them everywhere.
How was she discriminated against? People of all race and creeds are expected to cooperate with law enforcement. Are you advocating that she should be exempt somehow?
Europe doesn't have poor people or minorities?
There are major hurdles to getting a "proper" ID in the US that affects certain populations (i.e. minorities/poor/etc.) That is the big issue and difference with Europe. There is also a history of Poll Taxes in the US for voting purposes and some of these voter ID laws are basically rewritten poll taxes.
lol at the "it's the law, follow it!" crowd. obey!
Holy shit... I am relieved to realize that....all of my other posts have been in defense of the cop. That one post you quoted was entirely facetious.
It is reasonable to be upset but it doesn't give her the right to refuse compliance. How she felt makes no difference. The cop did nothing wrong here.
Or they could just let natural selection play it's course.Just a few weeks ago in that same town a pedestrian walked right in front of a car in the middle of the block and was killed. It is an issue in that area to such an extent that the police have had to make several high profile pushes to ticket jaywalkers.
You can pretty much do what you want in the UK, except for crossing a railway when the light is red.Where is that? The fine in Australia is $67.
Where is that? The fine in Australia is $67.
I think its funny that a lot of people are fine with men beating up a woman in this case because the men in question are in a position of authority. If these guys weren't police a lot of you would be calling for them to be imprisoned.
Or they could just let natural selection play it's course.
I can't believe there are still people on this planet that argue with police and absolutely refuse to do as requsted. If she had done that, this whole thing would be a non-story.
Correct. It was just to highlight the utter stupidity of someone who enters a road, designed for carrying cars no less, without looking or paying attention.this has to be a joke post.... Hitting a person with your car does not just kill/hurt that person. The damage and even injury to the driver and passengers can be devastating. Especially if that driver swerves to avoid the pedestrian and hits oncoming traffic.
I think its funny that a lot of people are fine with men beating up a woman in this case because the men in question are in a position of authority. If these guys weren't police a lot of you would be calling for them to be imprisoned.
Norway. I think Oslo is infamous for its pedestrians crossing the road when the lights are red and jaywalking when they are green. You don't have to go far though to find open areas with light traffic where it makes no sense to wait.
And you know this how? Non-whites don't get harsher sentencing? Prison inmates are evenly distributed between all races?
While I don't think she handled the situation well it's not like there hasn't been other instances of these types of situations being racially motivated in Arizona.
The id law. Is that the racist Arizona stop-and-harass-brown-people one?
Or something that predated that?
lol at the "it's the law, follow it!" crowd. obey!
For instance, in the City of Phoenix a person guilty of violating a city code is usually guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. A Class 1 misdemeanor in Phoenix is punishable by a fine that could be as much as $2,500, or imprisonment for a maximum of six months, or probation for up to 3 years, or any combination of those. That's serious!
Here are some examples of items that are typically covered by city codes in our area:
Barking or howling dogs
Animal cruelty
Certain businesses are usually required to obtain a permit: massages, swap meets, making movies, escorts and escort services, sexually oriented businesses, pawn brokers, mobile vending (selling out of a vehicle)
Parking of trucks, mobile homes or campers on city streets or in driveways
Curfew violations by minors
Creating a nuisance or excessive noise
Public urination or defecation
Smoking in a public place
Dumping of trash on any property but your own (and sometimes even on your own property)
Prostitution (both sellers and buyers)
Child molestation
Public sexual activity
Obscene live public performance
Use of vulgar language or singing obscene song lyrics
Obscene literature distribution
Running a gambling operation
Defacing or destruction of property
Trespassing
Glass/Beer in public parks
Mutilating or stealing a library book
Running or emptying water into the street or sidewalk
Printing numbers on a curb without a license
Jaywalking
Soliciting money from vehicle occupants
Selling merchandise/services on a city street
Posting or scattering of signs on city street, poles, or buildings
My position is that all the racism and discrimination in the justice system doesn't suddenly disappear into thin air when jaywalking laws are being enforced.present relevant information to your position.
My position is that not every cop is a racist. And just because the person on the other side of the law is black, doesn't automatically mean that they're being singled out because of it.My position is that all the racism and discrimination in the justice system doesn't suddenly disappear into thin air when jaywalking laws are being enforced.
How would refusing to identify possibly get her out of that?Just found this:
http://phoenix.about.com/od/citiestownsgovernment/qt/citycodes.htm
If this is true, I completely understand her argument and hesitance to give her name/ID even more.
How would refusing to identify possibly get her out of that?
My position is that all the racism and discrimination in the justice system doesn't suddenly disappear into thin air when jaywalking laws are being enforced.
If you insist on going down that route, then present hard proof. In the video I saw, there didn't appear to be any observable racism at least. Do you have access to previous complaints made about this one particular officer that are shaping your opinion? As far as I can tell, your only argument is that he's a white officer and she's black so therefor it must be racially motivated.
Watched the video again.
It does not paint a very good picture of the lady in question. That "I'm a professor at ASU!" stuff makes her less sympathetic. I typically can't stand to see people touting the status of their job as a reason why they deserve better treatment.
Still difficult to come to a conclusion since the only audio provided comes from after the situation has gone completely south and the police officer is about to arrest her. I'd be curious how the whole altercation went, and if she was belligerent from the start.
I think it is telling that the police only released an edited version of the video (as far as I can tell), cutting off the beginning of the interaction. Her stating that she was a professor was probably an attempt to tell the cop that she was not a delinquent.
It was something passed in 2005, which predates SB 1070 by about 5 years.The id law. Is that the racist Arizona stop-and-harass-brown-people one?
Or something that predated that?
You have to give them your full name if you're detained but I don't believe that you're required to show ID unless you're driving.13-2412. Refusing to provide truthful name when lawfully detained; classification
A. It is unlawful for a person, after being advised that the person's refusal to answer is unlawful, to fail or refuse to state the person's true full name on request of a peace officer who has lawfully detained the person based on reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime. A person detained under this section shall state the person's true full name, but shall not be compelled to answer any other inquiry of a peace officer.
B. A person who violates this section is guilty of a class 2 misdemeanor.
I think it is telling that the police only released an edited version of the video (as far as I can tell), cutting off the beginning of the interaction..
She didn't show her ID and she resisted arrest. She also kicked the officer in the shin.
what a bunch of black and white, binary BS. There's only one asshole in the situation and its the cop. I dont care if the woman "broke the law"I almost never back cops in these kinds of threads, but...
An arrest for jaywalking is bullshit, but she was breaking the law. I know cops hand out jaywalking tickets in front of USC like they're candy, and so many people do it it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Including TWO of my professors, lol. Furthermore, she was required by law to show her ID in Arizona. While it's bullshit, she can't be surprised when she gets arrested for not doing so. It needs to be changed but you're not going to change it when you're staring down an officer.
Furthermore, she lost any backing when she kicked the officer. You just can't do that.
so the fuck what? Am I supposed to scold a Black woman for fighting back against some shithead cop who just wants to pick on a minority? Fuck that and fuck racist, shithead cops
I'm curious. Has anyone here ever been stopped for jaywalking in the US?
so the fuck what? Am I supposed to scold a Black woman for fighting back against some shithead cop who just wants to pick on a minority? Fuck that and fuck racist, shithead cops
I'm curious. Has anyone here ever been stopped for jaywalking in the US?
They are both idiots. One had the law on his side. Jaywalking tickets are easy money for cops, she should have just taken it or argue it in court like a normal person.
No but I've seen it happen fairly regularly. Cops will often sit in locations where a ton of people like to jaywalk and just yank a few every so often.
I'm curious. Has anyone here ever been stopped for jaywalking in the US?
I'm curious. Has anyone here ever been stopped for jaywalking in the US?
what a bunch of black and white, binary BS. There's only one asshole in the situation and its the cop. I dont care if the woman "broke the law"