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Summer 2014 Anime |OT| this thread has been outsourced to Toei Phils

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Jex

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Hmmmm I don't completely buy that. Certainly with Western TV (I'll presume you're talking about your typical serial drama/comedies for the sake of argument) there's a lot more money to throw around, a lot more viewership, and a greater incentive to gather talent and produce something worthwhile given the amount of competition and the potential reward for a hit, as opposed to anime where most productions are content to cater to a known audience and approach their material with an eye to advertising other mediums.

Nonetheless we're talking about two types of television that have wildly different aims and differ wildly in their cultural context, and that can't be ignored. You might as well compare Western serial dramas with telenovelas for all the good that does.

You're correct in that we are talking about two very different things created in different countries under different conditions with different goals. However, none of that really matters to me as a viewer. It might not be fair for me to compare these different works but I'll do it anyway because that's just how people are, we compare and contrast are experiences with one thing to are experiences with another. In that sense, for example, I can't help but think how a good Western TV show would at least try to make me care about the characters in it's first episode, something which I feel Aldnoah.Zero doesn't really do because the script is trying to juggle so many things at once.

I mean, is it even fair to compare True Detective to Law and Order because they've got different creators with different intents going for different audiences? Of course you can compare them. I'll compare True Detective to a movie, if I feel like it, and perhaps I'll find the movie lacking in comparison. We're free, as consumers of content, to bring in our wide range of experiences of other content when it comes to analysing something with a critical eye. This isn't something I can or would like to "turn off".
I don't know. Keeping myself within the medium, I don't find Aldnoah Zero to be "amazing" at all. I feel it is competent given the restrictions that the budget and schedule would likely put on them, but nothing more than that.

That said, I have no problems comparing anime to western television and movies as well, and contrary to the popular belief that I assume is held in here, I don't feel that either one comes up short against the other, if I were to hold the pinnacles of each up to closer scrutiny. They surely strive to do completely different things, but I don't find the ambitions of anime to be the lesser one. In fact, given my own personal interests, I actually prefer it (being a very visually minded person helps I think) in many ways.

Yeah I was kind of going overboard by calling it "amazing", but I agree with the rest of what you said.
 

StormKing

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I was a bit disappointed with Aldnoah because a lot of what they showed was covered in the previews. However, the last 5 minutes is enough for me to look forward to the next episode.

If this show wants to surpass Gundam, 90% of the cast will be dead by the end. Right now I'm sure onee-san and student council member are on the chopping block.
 

Shergal

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I'd rather watch Ping Pong than any Western TV.

I didn't even finish Ping Pong I sought refuge from the production menace in the manga :(
 

Shengar

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Barakamon 1
I make a specific and neat screenshots folder just for this
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Caesnd

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Yes I don't get that either. They talk like there has been this legacy for centuries or something, but it's really only been 30 years or so. In fact, even that is puzzling because from the timeline it appears that it only took 5 years after the first expedition to Mars for a colony to be settled. And this was from 1975 to 1980. Even with magic beans or whatever they found on the moon, that seems -really- impractical.

As an aside, the backstory Aldnoah is building is really reminding me of some of my feelings regarding the backstory of Columbia in Bioshock Infinite. Everything feels so accelerated for the sake of fitting the alternate historical timeline into a tiny slice of actual history so the audience can relate. Some of it is kinda cool at a glance, but upon analysis it's just completely ridiculous that an entire city can be built from scratch within a matter of years, nevermind the part about making it fly. :p

One has to wonder if there's a reason for it, seeing as it is a conundrum that could be fixed as easily as making a two-digit number a three-digit one.
 

Shengar

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Sword Art Online II 1

Forrest Gump asks the audience to suspend disbelief and accept Gump's tale, and the feather, as truth. Sword Art Online asks the audience to expose themselves to the artifice of fiction.

Did I just read Forrest Gump and Sword Art Online in one paragraph?
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duckroll

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One has to wonder if there's a reason for it, seeing as it is a conundrum that could be fixed as easily as making a two-digit number a three-digit one.

On the surface, it looks like the only "reason" is that they really wanted to set the show in 2014.
 

jman2050

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I mean, is it even fair to compare True Detective to Law and Order because they've got different creators with different intents going for different audiences? Of course you can compare them. I'll compare True Detective to a movie, if I feel like it, and perhaps I'll find the movie lacking in comparison. We're free, as consumers of content, to bring in our wide range of experiences of other content when it comes to analysing something with a critical eye. This isn't something I can or would like to "turn off".

I guess I was somewhat misleading with my last statement. The idea isn't to "turn off" your critical eye or whatever, I'm just pointing out that context can change things, whether that context is external circumstances that affect the production or more related to your personal tastes.

I guess when I write it out like that the thought seems almost too obvious.
 

hipbabboom

Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
School Days is a harem done right.

School Days is terrible anime done right! Most terrible anime have an aspect to them that makes you want to keep watching. There is no aspect of School Days that makes you want to keep watching... unless you are a terrible person.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
School Days is terrible anime done right! Most terrible anime have an aspect to them that makes you want to keep watching. There is no aspect of School Days that makes you want to keep watching... unless you are a terrible person.
Is watching Macbeth sadism?
 
lupin III vs Detective Conan The Movie

So this is a continuation of the cross over OVA. Definitely has that movie budget feel, and previous ova character interactions persist here. Heck it might have the best animated soccer ball kick from conan yet.

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This is apparently OTP now... which i dont hate.


And that Ending.



O.O









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Any reviews of the DC movie of this year? apparently is has everyone's favorite tomboy in it. And might be canon?
 

Caesnd

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You're correct in that we are talking about two very different things created in different countries under different conditions with different goals. However, none of that really matters to me as a viewer. It might not be fair for me to compare these different works but I'll do it anyway because that's just how people are, we compare and contrast are experiences with one thing to are experiences with another. In that sense, for example, I can't help but think how a good Western TV show would at least try to make me care about the characters in it's first episode, something which I feel Aldnoah.Zero doesn't really do because the script is trying to juggle so many things at once.

I mean, is it even fair to compare True Detective to Law and Order because they've got different creators with different intents going for different audiences? Of course you can compare them. I'll compare True Detective to a movie, if I feel like it, and perhaps I'll find the movie lacking in comparison. We're free, as consumers of content, to bring in our wide range of experiences of other content when it comes to analysing something with a critical eye. This isn't something I can or would like to "turn off".


I agree. We all have our own unique preferences that continue to influence our perception of entertainment and creative work alike, no matter the intentions behind them.
 

jman2050

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Is watching Macbeth sadism?

Does (correctly) comparing School Days to Shakespeare vindicate School Days' narrative and legitimize it as thought provoking artistic expression? Or does it rather highlight via juxtaposition the truth of Shakespeare's work, that being it was all stupid schlocky nonsense that people loved because it was stupid and schlocky and they couldn't look away?
 

Jex

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Yes I don't get that either. They talk like there has been this legacy for centuries or something, but it's really only been 30 years or so. In fact, even that is puzzling because from the timeline it appears that it only took 5 years after the first expedition to Mars for a colony to be settled. And this was from 1975 to 1980. Even with magic beans or whatever they found on the moon, that seems -really- impractical.

As an aside, the backstory Aldnoah is building is really reminding me of some of my feelings regarding the backstory of Columbia in Bioshock Infinite. Everything feels so accelerated for the sake of fitting the alternate historical timeline into a tiny slice of actual history so the audience can relate. Some of it is kinda cool at a glance, but upon analysis it's just completely ridiculous that an entire city can be built from scratch within a matter of years, nevermind the part about making it fly. :p

Speaking of which...



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Generations? It's been like 30-ish years? Wut?
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Does (correctly) comparing School Days to Shakespeare vindicate School Days' narrative and legitimize it as thought provoking artistic expression? Or does it rather highlight via juxtaposition the truth of Shakespeare's work, that being it was all stupid schlocky nonsense that people loved because it was stupid and schlocky and they couldn't look away?
What's clear is that while Shakespeare spoke to his time, School Days speaks to our own.
 

TUSR

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Brynhildr in the Darkness Episode 12

any everyone turned to goo, i see what everyone was saying about condensing chapters into one episode.

this is a train wreck.
 

Busaiku

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My biggest gripe with the Stardust Crusaders dub were those cops telling Holly her Japanese was good.
Could've just said like "your accent's pretty good" or something like that.
 

Quasar

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I'd rather watch Ping Pong than any Western TV.

I didn't even finish Ping Pong I sought refuge from the production menace in the manga :(

Heh. Whilst I wouldn't say that, its clear in this moment of time that I look on anime more favourably than I do western live action tv. Otherwise the mix of shows I watch would be remarkably different (in terms of western TV the last few years has been little more than Game of Thrones).

Obviously I do compare what I watch to what I've already seen/read. You cant consume media in a vacuum. Though the mentioning of turning off a critical is interesting...I know after doing a bunch of film studies classes I had to learn how to take off the film student analysis hat off as my enjoyment totally suffered as for a while thats all I saw film through.
 
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