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PoliGAF 2014 |OT| Kay Hagan and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad News

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Tamanon

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Man, Hillary has really learned to ramble on the Daily Show. I honestly lost track of what she was saying several times. I just picked up "America is great, but kids don't realize it and our PR is bad"
 
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kehs

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Tamanon said:
Man, Hillary has really learned to ramble on the Daily Show. I honestly lost track of what she was saying several times. I just picked up "America is great, but kids don't realize it and our PR is bad"
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Yea, she just seems to be hitting on bullet points.

It's not even like motivational bullet points, just random shit people have been trying to push for seven years.
 
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RustyNails

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Drakeon said:
Holy shit, Brownback is in serious trouble. When the Democrat is winning on tax policy in Kansas, you know you're pretty fucked. (I'm aware Brownback has doubled down on his awful tax policy, or plans to if reelected)
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You have to understand that Brownback shit the bed really bad (no pun intended)
  • Deep income tax cuts caused large revenue losses. Kansas’ tax cuts this year are costing the state about 8 percent of the revenue it uses to fund schools, health care, and other public services, a hit comparable to a mid-sized recession. State data show that the revenue loss will rise to 16 percent in five years if the tax cuts are not reversed.
  • The large revenue losses extended and deepened the recession’s damage to schools and other state services. Most states are restoring funding for schools after years of significant cuts, but in Kansas the cuts continue. Governor Sam Brownback recently proposed another reduction in per-pupil general school aid for next year, which would leave funding 17 percent below pre-recession levels. Funding for other services — colleges and universities, libraries, and local health departments, among others — also is way down, and declining.
  • The tax cuts delivered lopsided benefits to the wealthy. Kansas’ tax cuts didn’t benefit everyone. Most of the benefits went to high-income households. Kansas even raised taxes for low-income families to offset a portion of the revenue loss; otherwise the cuts to schools and other services would have been greater still.
  • Kansas’ tax cuts haven’t boosted its economy. Since the tax cuts took effect at the beginning of 2013, Kansas has added jobs at a pace modestly slower than the country as a whole. The earnings and incomes of Kansans have performed slightly worse than the U.S. as a whole as well. (An exception is farmers, whose incomes improved as the state recovered from a drought.) And so far there’s no evidence that Kansas is enjoying exceptional business growth: the number of registered business grew more slowly last year than in 2012, and the state’s share of all U.S. business establishments fell over the first three quarters of last year, the latest data available.
  • There’s little evidence to suggest that Kansas’ tax cuts will improve its economy in the future. No one knows for certain how Kansas’ economy will perform in the years ahead, but it isn’t likely to stand out from other states. The latest official state revenue forecast, from November 2013, projects Kansas personal income will grow more slowly than total national personal income in 2014 and 2015.[1]
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benjipwns

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APKmetsfan said:
It calls for the end of family. Redefine that as you will as the 'bourgeois conception of family'. Its the family as commonly described two parents and their kids (and by extension the extended family from there). The manifesto calls for the end of monogamous marriages and sees two parents households as seemingly only due to capitalism. It doesn't call for equal marriages or more rights for women in marriages it calls for the end of the idea of two parents and having a special relationship with their kids.

I didn't misrepresent what was written.
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Yeah, but that's a bourgeois conception of family. Most people of Marx's time lived with their parents and probably even their grandparents in the same house and the family was generations living together not just two parents and their kids. That was a lifestyle (for some) made possible by the riches of capitalism and is alienating to the greater community.

Two parents in a monogamous marriage living with just their children is probably actually the minority position historically. The critique in the manifesto hints at the fact that going off and conceptualizing "your" family as just you, your wife and your kids is disconnecting you from the greater "family" of your fellow man and claiming ownership over the woman and the children.

Not to mention he's basically bashing homeschooling/private schooling/child labor plus the hypocrisy of the standard monogamous position to bind women to men there and advocating instead of a "social" system where being part of a larger community matters instead of atomized pursuit for only your gain.

The manifesto in general is a shitty place for unspooling Marxist theory or even really policy considering how disjointed and poorly written it is, not to mention its intent and what I suspect were more changes Engels made to it than he let on.
 
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speculawyer

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benjipwns said:
Yeah, but that's a bourgeois conception of family. Most people of Marx's time lived with their parents and probably even their grandparents in the same house and the family was generations living together not just two parents and their kids. That was a lifestyle (for some) made possible by the riches of capitalism and is alienating to the greater community.

Two parents in a monogamous marriage living with just their children is probably actually the minority position historically. The critique in the manifesto hints at the fact that going off and conceptualizing "your" family as just you, your wife and your kids is disconnecting you from the greater "family" of your fellow man and claiming ownership over the woman and the children.

Not to mention he's basically bashing homeschooling/private schooling/child labor plus the hypocrisy of the standard monogamous position to bind women to men there and advocating instead of a "social" system where being part of a larger community matters instead of atomized pursuit for only your gain.

The manifesto in general is a shitty place for unspooling Marxist theory or even really policy considering how disjointed and poorly written it is, not to mention its intent and what I suspect were more changes Engels made to it than he let on.
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Don't you want to address Brownback?
 
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neurosisxeno

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RustyNails said:
You know what the conservatives are gonna say when you hold him up as the poster child for supply side failure; He wasn't conservative enough!
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He has spent the last several weeks blaming it on Obama's policies. Basically saying that policies at the federal level were responsible for business leaving Kansas, not his ransacking of the state coffers to keep billions in the hands of the upper class.

Oblivion said:
Bububu the Reagan economic boom!
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Reagan would be a liberal as far as modern day conservatives are concerned. That socialist raised taxes like 5 times!?!?!

Wilsongt said:
It's almost as if the idea that cutting taxes on the wealthy doesn't work...

WHO KNEW?!
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The past 35 years of economic policy in the US should have tipped them off.
 
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speculawyer

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Evidence that the polarization is more on the conservative side of the aisle (as if everyone didn't already know that).

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PhoenixDark

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Plinko said:
Snyder is going nowhere. Michigan's legislature is going to be GOP dominated for a decade more at least.
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Agreed. Peters is safe and will outperform polls but I just don't see Snyder losing. And the legislature...bleh. Look at the districts, that's all you need to do to understand why Michigan is...Michigan. I'm still amazed at how red things went in 2010. That's not going to change anytime soon.
 
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speculawyer said:
Evidence that the polarization is more on the conservative side of the aisle (as if everyone didn't already know that).

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In other news, water is wet.

lol @ the GOP's cold reception to atheist and Muslims. Two religions of which the Christian right considered non-real, Hinduism and Buddhism, rank higher than people who essentially think the same they do, but are of a different color.
 
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AndyD

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Wilsongt said:
In other news, water is wet.

lol @ the GOP's cold reception to atheist and Muslims. Two religions of which the Christian right considered non-real, Hinduism and Buddhism, rank higher than people who essentially think the same they do, but are of a different color.
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I expect Hinduism to take a nose dive as soon as Democrats put forth a strong Indian candidate at some point.
 
benjipwns

benjipwns

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This is kinda neat in comparison to their old system from three years ago:
http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/26/the-political-typology-beyond-red-vs-blue/
http://www.people-press.org/quiz/political-typology

I got Young Outsider though only 9%, 26% and 22% of them agree with me on:
You answered "Racial discrimination is the main reason why many black people can't get ahead these days," along with: 9%
You answered "Our country needs to continue making changes to give blacks equal rights with whites," along with: 26%
You answered "Hard work and determination are no guarantee of success for most people," along with: 22%

EDIT: I am also a LIBRARY LOVER: http://www.pewinternet.org/quiz/library-typology
 
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AtomnayaKlubnika

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Buddhism is the Asian atheism, but it's more exotic. I love how, we westeners, turned into something cool: basically life is full of pain, so the main goal of a buddhist is in a way to avoid life. Sad :(
 
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Scott Brown forgets which state he's campaigning in:
In an interview with Boston Herald radio, Brown hit Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), whom he's trying to unseat, over immigration and border issues. But in the process of criticizing his opponent, he made an indicative slip-up.

"And that’s a big difference between Senator Shaheen and me and many other people in the Massachusetts delegation," Brown said, while arguing that Shaheen isn't taking the uptick in migrants seriously enough.

"I'm not for amnesty, never have been, I have never supported the DREAM Act, she has," he continued, apparently not noticing (or not wanting to draw attention to) his mistake.

The New Hampshire Democratic Party immediately flagged the flub with a YouTube video.

Democrats criticized Brown for his mistake, arguing that he had inadvertently revealed shallow carpetbagging intentions.

"Scott Brown still can't keep track of what state he's in - and it's an insult to New Hampshire families," New Hampshire Democratic Party Communications Director Julie McClain said in a statement. "Brown used to brag about growing up in Massachusetts, raising his family in Massachusetts and said he would die in Massachusetts. Now he's moved to New Hampshire and says he cares about this state, but really he's just using New Hampshire to get himself a Senate seat. How can Granite State families possibly trust a candidate who doesn't see the difference between Massachusetts and New Hampshire."
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Averon

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Why is Cheney on the front page of CNN.com as if he is still some credible authority and has not been thoroughly wrong on just about everything regarding Iraq?
 
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Tamanon

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I'm still not entirely sure where the DREAM act hatred comes from. I completely understand other immigration issues and their prickliness, but this just seems like hatred.
 
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/gop-congressman-kids-at-border-gang-members-from-culture-of
A Florida Republican congressman called undocumented immigrant children at the border not children at all but gang-affiliated persons from a culture of thievery, murder, and violence.

“A lot of these children … quote-unquote … ya know, the first caller mentioned it, ya know, they’re gang members. They’re gang affiliated,” Florida Republican Rep. Rich Nugent said on WOCA radio Monday.

Nugent added that the culture the children were coming from was one of violence and there would be a complications in bringing the children into American culture.

“Listen, if you’re 14, 15, 16, 17 years old, and you’re coming from a country that’s gang-infested — particularly with MS-13 types, that is the most aggressive of all the street gangs — when you have those types coming across the border, they’re not children at that point. These kids have been brought up in a culture of thievery. A culture of murder, of rape. And now we are going to infuse them into the American culture. It’s just ludicrous.”
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RustyNails said:
Scott Brown forgets which state he's campaigning in:
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What's nuts is he could have run for Massachusetts governor and had a much better chance at winning that. He'd even get to face Martha Coakley again. Of all the options he had for a political future he chose quite possibly the dumbest.
 
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[Bob Frey] alleged in a 2004 appearance before the Minnesota State Senate Education Committee that the fossil record proves that “dinosaurs have always lived with man,” and such “real science” should be taught in public schools. [...]

Bluestem Prairie also reports that Frey used to run a group called Creation Science Seminars, which claimed that teaching Creationism would reduce the rate of violence that the theory of evolution had apparently brought upon communities.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...Bob-Frey-dinosaurs-have-always-lived-with-man
 
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benjipwns

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...reign_policy_and_security_president_ever.html
RALPH PETERS: You often hear people say, 'Obama is the worst president ever.' And it sounds like hyperbole. But in the foreign policy and security sphere, without a doubt, Obama is by far the worst foreign policy and security president we have ever had, pervasive extensive failures of practically every continent, at the same time we have this shameless self-congratulations from the White House. You really have to go to the roots of this: Obama came to office in early 2009, really prejudiced against America. In foreign policy, and the West, and certainly Israel, as the problem, and certainly the cause of the problems. And Islamic extremism, and Russian intransigence, as effects. But the world is more complicated than that. And I will tell you, America has not been this weak in my lifetime. Even Jimmy Carter looks relatively strong by comparison.

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You look at the litany of Obama’s disastrous failures. Russia: hey, when’s the last time you heard anybody talk about Putin giving back Ukraine? We had that catastrophic nuclear deal, where we gave away important duel-use systems and Russians gave up junkets going to the stockpile. Then, you have Iran, Iran nukes, they’re playing us like a violin, Iraq, the rise of a caliphate state, a terrorist state. Obviously, Syria, almost 180,000 dead, although nobody knows how many for sure. The reaction in Eqypt, the mess in Libya, you’ve got Boko Haram in Nigeria, you’ve got a mess in Somalia, South Sudan, tragedies nobody even hears about. I mean the list goes on and on.
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They're playing us like a violin...
 
benjipwns

benjipwns

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Wilsongt said:
These people... Obama could walk on water, turn water to wine, cure leprosy. Hell, he could practically be Jesus incarnate and conservatives would bitch about it. They would all suddenly reject their religion because of it.
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The world is more complicated than that which is why you need to be tough and show strong leadership for and belief in America AND the West. And certainly Israel.
 
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