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Nikola Tesla vs. Thomas Edison: Who Was the Better Inventor?

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WorldStar

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I realize this article is slightly dated as Tesla's birthday was on July 10th, but I found the article very fascinating so I thought I'd share

GAF, who do you think was the better inventor?

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Nikola Tesla vs. Thomas Edison: Who Was the Better Inventor?
http://www.livescience.com/46739-tesla-vs-edison-comparison.html

Nikola Tesla would have celebrated his 158th birthday today (July 10).

The Serbian-American scientist was a brilliant and eccentric genius whose inventions enabled modern-day power and mass communication systems.

His nemesis and former boss, Thomas Edison, was the iconic American inventor of the light bulb, the phonograph and the moving picture. The two feuding geniuses waged a "War of Currents" in the 1880s over whose electrical system would power the world — Tesla's alternating-current (AC) system or Edison's rival direct-current (DC) electric power.

Amongst science nerds, few debates get more heated than the ones that compare Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison. So, who was the better inventor?

"They're different inventors, but you can't really say one is greater, because American society needs some Edisons and it needs some Teslas" said W. Bernard Carlson, the author of "Tesla: Inventor of the Electrical Age" (Princeton Press, 2013).

From their starkly different personalities to their lasting legacies, here's how the two dueling inventors stack up.

Most brilliant

Tesla had an eidetic memory, which meant he could very precisely recall images and objects. This enabled him to accurately visualize intricate 3D objects, and as a result, he could build working prototypes using few preliminary drawings.

"He really worked out his inventions in his imagination," Carlson told Live Science.

In contrast, Edison was more of a sketcher and a tinkerer.

"If you were going to [the] laboratory and watch him at work, you'd find he'd have stuff all over the bench: wires and coils and various parts of inventions," Carlson said.

In the end, however, Edison held 1,093 patents, according to the Thomas Edison National Historic Park. Tesla garnered less than 300 worldwide, according to a study published in 2006 at the Sixth International Symposium of Nikola Tesla. (Of course, Edison had scores more assistants helping him devise inventions, and also bought some of his patents.)

Most forward thinking

Though the light bulb, the phonograph and moving pictures are touted as Edison's most important inventions, other people were already working on similar technologies, said Leonard DeGraaf, an archivist at Thomas Edison National Historical Park in New Jersey, and the author of "Edison and the Rise of Innovation" (Signature Press, 2013).

"If Edison hadn't invented those things, other people would have," DeGraaf told Live Science.

In a shortsighted move, Edison dismissed Tesla's "impractical" idea of an alternating-current (AC) system of electric power transmission, instead promoting his simpler, but less efficient, direct-current (DC) system.

By contrast, Tesla's ideas were often more disruptive technologies that didn't have a built-in market demand. And his alternating-current motor and hydroelectric plant at Niagara Falls— a first-of-its-kind power plant — truly electrified the world.

Tesla also spent years working on a system designed to wirelessly transmit voices, images and moving pictures — making him a futurist, and the true father of radio, telephone, cell phones and television. [Creative Genius: The World's Greatest Minds]

"Our entire mass communication system is based on Tesla's system," said Marc Seifer, author of "Wizard: The Life and Times of Nikola Tesla," (Citadel Press, 2001).

Unfortunately, Tesla's grand scheme failed when his financial backer, J.P. Morgan, became fed up with years of failure.

Biggest impact

Edison's enduring legacy isn't a specific patent or technology, but his invention factories, which divided the innovation process into small tasks that were carried out by legions of workers, DeGraaf said. For instance, Edison got the idea for a moving picture camera, or kinetoscope from a talk by photographer Edward Muybridge, but then left most of the experimentation and prototyping to his assistant William Dickson and others. By having multiple patents and inventions developing in parallel, Edison, in turn, ensured that his assistants had a stable financial situation to continue running experiments and fleshing out more designs.

"He invents modern innovation as we know it," DeGraaf said.

Tesla's inventions are the backbone of modern power and communication systems, but he faded into obscurity later in the 20th century, when most of his inventions were lost to history. And despite his many patents and innovations, Tesla was destitute when he died in 1943.

Best dinner party guest

At the height of his career, Tesla was charismatic, urbane and witty. He spoke several languages and counted writers Mark Twain and Rudyard Kipling, and naturalist John Muir as friends, according to Seifer.

"He moved in very high circles," Seifer said.

But Tesla could also be haughty and was known to be a hygiene freak. In his later years, his obsessive tics (such as his fear of women's earrings) grew stronger, and he died penniless and alone in a hotel in New York City, Seifer said.

Edison, meanwhile, was hard of hearing and introverted, with few close friends.

Edison also had a mean streak, which he amply displayed in his vicious attacks against Tesla during the War of Currents. He also gave advice on how to build the first electric chair using direct current (DC), going into gory detail about the techniques needed to do the deed, Seifer said.

Most fashionable

Tesla was tall, slender and imposing, with a dashing moustache and an impeccable sense of style, Carlson said. His top hat and tails are even on display in a museum in Serbia.

By contrast, Edison was known to be a bit of a slob.

"We're not really interested in seeing what Edison wore, because it was pretty forgettable," Carlson said.

Edison even wore shoes two sizes too large so that he could slip into and out of them without stooping down to untie them, Carlson said.
 

AlexMogil

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Which one invented Sirhacha sauce?

Yeah, the oatmeal.


Edit: that article seems to want me to choose a specific person
 

The Technomancer

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Tesla was the more brilliant inventor. Edison was the more brilliant businessman.

Something like this, only I would say Tesla was a better scientist and Edison was a weird inventor/businessman hybrid, skewing heavily towards business once he found success.

The lightbulb and phonograph and stuff, that's all just trinkets, the real invention of Edison was the industrial laboratory
 

The Technomancer

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Oh god someone is going to post that awful Oatmeal comic aren't they?
Yeah, probably. Which isn't to say that Tesla wasn't a genius or that Edison didn't royally assfuck the guy, but its just that the whole Tesla-Edison dynamic is also so pitch perfect for jaded internet nerds that it approaches fetishization.
 
didnt tesla make a death ray but destroyed it because he didn't want a war or the end of the world? Dude was a genius, a creative genius, kinda got screwed over though
 

jchap

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didnt tesla make a death ray but destroyed it because he didn't want a war or the end of the world? Dude was a genius, a creative genius, kinda got screwed over though

No he had delusions that he could create a deathray (charged particle beam) and tried to sell the idea. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately?) his theories at this stage in his life were not well grounded.


You must mean DC... Tesla coils are air cored transformers.
 
This isn't really a competition. It's easily Tesla. Edison didn't invent almost everything he is known and credited for. He was a businessman who took other people's good ideas and capitalized on them, patented them, and marketed them to success.

Tesla is one of the GOAT intelligent people. He's basically on the same level as Einstein, Newton, etc. Edison is on the same level as ... Steve Jobs. Sure, the iPhone is cool, but he didn't like ... build the fucking thing himself or anything. He had teams of engineers and scientists (and in Edison's case, Tesla himself) actually doing the inventing for him.
 

Nafai1123

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More like he was willing to sell it to any government who was interested. U.S., Britain, Yugoslavia, Soviet Union.

Supposedly the USSR did some experiments with Tesla and created a stage 1 experiment for which he received 25 grand. It's always been one of those mysteries I wish he had more time/money/publicity to prove would (or wouldn't) work.
 
didnt tesla make a death ray but destroyed it because he didn't want a war or the end of the world?

There's stuff about a "Tele force weapon" which is apparently supposed to be a particle beam cannon of some kind. He recieved funding to build prototypes in the USSR in 1939. The claims surrounding it are ludicrous and real life efforts to create particle beam weapons 40-50 years after his death have failed to produce anything effective. It certainly didn't produce anything workable in 1939 or prior when he was talking up his amazing weapon to the world media, bragging openly about how powerful it was, and saying that it would put an end to war. He was practically offering it to anybody who was interested. This is totally inconsistent with the narrative of the brilliant scientist who invents something then hides/destroys it to keep the world safe because it's too dangerous for mankind. He was attention whoring the shit out of it.
 

DSKMan

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So people know Tesla received probably close to a million dollars for his work, but he spent all of his money on more costly research.
 

Dryk

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Tesla was the more brilliant inventor. Edison was the more brilliant businessman.
I came here to say "Tesla was a great inventor/scientist, Edison was a great businessman" but you already did. Seriously though screw Edison, Tesla may have gone crazy as he got older but at least he never went Wall Street. (Kidding... somewhat)
 

The Technomancer

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The characterization of Edison as "just a businessman" isn't accurate. That's the route he went down when he started making lots of money and putting together his laboratory (and it worked pretty damn well at coming up with invention and improvement) but he absolutely had his start in physical tinkering with telegraphs and other mechanisms trying to improve things. By all accounts the dude had a real passion for that kind of tinkering and invention. He was just also a douchebag.
 

jchap

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There's stuff about a "Tele force weapon" which is apparently supposed to be a particle beam cannon of some kind. He recieved funding to build prototypes in the USSR in 1939. The claims surrounding it are ludicrous and real life efforts to create particle beam weapons 40-50 years after his death have failed to produce anything effective. It certainly didn't produce anything workable in 1939 or prior when he was talking up his amazing weapon to the world media, bragging openly about how powerful it was, and saying that it would put an end to war. He was practically offering it to anybody who was interested. This is totally inconsistent with the narrative of the brilliant scientist who invents something then hides/destroys it to keep the world safe because it's too dangerous for mankind. He was attention whoring the shit out of it.

The big problem with particle beams is momentum loss from various types of collisions with gas molecules in the atmosphere. Only by accelerating particles to very near the speed of light (>GeV) does the collisional cross section shrink enough that the mean free path between collisions reaches any substantial distance. Even if you can make a beam energetic enough to reach a distant target, its comparatively easy to shield against the charged particles. Current research into directed energy weapons is far more focused on lasers and high power microwaves than particle beams out of pure practicality.
 

The Technomancer

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The Tesla boner the internet has always had has always seemed a bit...eh, annoying to me? Dude was brilliant. But I'd put him in the same league as Faraday and Gauss, and I don't see people turning either of them into a meme

As far as I can tell it comes down to two things:
-The contrast between the sanitized Edison most schoolkids get and the actual Tesla-Edison relationship has a great "the system was lying to you and concealing the real genius all along dynamic" which is very alluring

-Tesla Coils look cool and the dude had a reputation for death rays and other wacky shit. And there's nothing the internet likes more then getting excited over "cool" looking or sounding science related topics

Honestly I think while Edison deserves the flak he gets people also use it to diminish his accomplishments. You can have both. He can be an absolute asshole and still have done great things.

Regardless at the end of the day I'm pretty much on team Gauss. Now there's a guy I'd love to see more love for. So many scientific, mathematical and technological revolutions of the 19th and 20th centuries have their roots in Gauss
 

shaowebb

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Tesla. Hell if it weren't for Edison maneuvering constantly against him he may have finished his research into getting energy out of Earth's Ionosphere. For that matter without Tesla Edison couldn't even have finished his work on DC circuitry.

Both were brilliant, but Edison pretty well played dirty to outmaneuver a much more talented mind in my opinion. Tesla? Well hell if someone moved forward with stuff he didn't even care if they violated his own patents so long as knowledge was achieved.
 

The Technomancer

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Tesla. Hell if it weren't for Edison maneuvering constantly against him he may have finished his research into getting energy out of Earth's Ionosphere. For that matter without Tesla Edison couldn't even have finished his work on DC circuitry.

Both were brilliant, but Edison pretty well played dirty to outmaneuver a much more talented mind in my opinion. Tesla? Well hell if someone moved forward with stuff he didn't even care if they violated his own patents so long as knowledge was achieved.

IIRC he was trying to transmit through the atmosphere, not pull energy from it
 

Wiktor

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I would say Edison was better the stereotypical inventor I think, in a meaning that he invented a lot more than Tesla did, while Tesla was better at genius scientist category, which means better at creating revolutionary tech. He invented fewer, but bigger things.
 

Dryk

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The Tesla boner the internet has always had has always seemed a bit...eh, annoying to me? Dude was brilliant. But I'd put him in the same league as Faraday and Gauss, and I don't see people turning either of them into a meme
That's because Faraday and Gauss were much more grounded scientists compared to Tesla who had a big mad inventor streak. You'd never see either of them running around yelling that they were going to build a death ray.
 

terrisus

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That's because Faraday and Gauss were much more grounded scientists compared to Tesla who had a big mad inventor streak. You'd never see either of them running around yelling that they were going to build a death ray.

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SRG01

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The article is already wrong. AC is less efficient than DC because of skin-effect losses. The reason why AC is convenient for transmission is because it can be stepped up or down relatively easily given the technology of their time.

edit: Also, wireless transmission of electricity is huuuuugely inefficient too.
 
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