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Xbox China Launch Lineup, Price, Skus, Free XBL to March 2015 and More

Returners

Member
Some thoughts:

Voice Commands need to work in Chinese and work well. Also need to factor in different pronunciations of Mandarin Chinese.

EPL is big deal.

I don't see people subbing for XBL Gold.

Are games going to be region locked?
 

Omega

Banned
In a market where F2P games are king, you decided that a $600 box with at least $60 games (most likely more after conversion) and a paid membership was the way to go?

the decisions companies make..
 
Two year warranty is nice, compared to our one year. What they don't tell you is that it only covers the box itself, + the Kinect. I have had a broken controller since November (the right stick doesn't work well out of the box) but I waited until Summer to get it fixed. Now I'm told that warranty is only three months for the controller. Oh fine print, why do you screw people over?
 
Two year warranty is nice, compared to our one year. What they don't tell you is that it only covers the box itself, + the Kinect. I have had a broken controller since November (the right stick doesn't work well out of the box) but I waited until Summer to get it fixed. Now I'm told that warranty is only three months for the controller. Oh fine print, why do you screw people over?
I got a beat ass controller too. Day one edition. Makes weird noises and the left stick isn't fluid. Idk why they had to f with it. 360 controller feels like a solid tank compared to my weak ass one controller.

On topic. I'm thinking about flying to china and purchasing another xbone. I love Microsoft and want to support the cause.
 

Gundy2010

Member
I got a beat ass controller too. Day one edition. Makes weird noises and the left stick isn't fluid. Idk why they had to f with it. 360 controller feels like a solid tank compared to my weak ass one controller.

On topic. I'm thinking about flying to china and purchasing another xbone. I love Microsoft and want to support the cause.

Every time I press R1 on my XBONE controller, I just died a little inside... and my R2 inpulse function is not working, well I'll take that as a plus. On the good side, the same AA batteryseems to last 3 times as long compare to 360 controller though, that's a big plus.

Back to the Chinese XBONE though, my biggest concern is censorship resulting in region lock only for mainland China. Considering BF4 is a banned title, there is a high possibility Chinese XBONE won't be able to play forign BF4 copies, which may also apply to other forign uncensored titles.
 

Returners

Member
Every time I press R1 on my XBONE controller, I just died a little inside... and my R2 inpulse function is not working, well I'll take that as a plus. On the good side, the same AA batteryseems to last 3 times as long compare to 360 controller though, that's a big plus.

Back to the Chinese XBONE though, my biggest concern is censorship resulting in region lock only for mainland China. Considering BF4 is a banned title, there is a high possibility Chinese XBONE won't be able to play forign BF4 copies, which may also apply to other forign uncensored titles.

Or there will be crackdown on BF4, resulting in all copies including PS4 versions not to be sold.
 

Jomjom

Banned
I guess those talks of MS exploiting a brand new market to catch up to PS4 global sales were premature. This thing is going to bomba so hard in China at that price that we're going to need a new word to describe it.

With PS4 releasing soon in China as well, they should be trying to reach the 2,500 to 2,800 RMB price range ($399-$450 approximately).
 
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What? Why?
 
that's not too bad. $40 is probably still too much.

I know the goal is to try and get more money out of each owner, but wouldn't it make more sense to get as many owners as possible, even if you only get some money out of them?

Yeah I would think so. Drop the price of the console $100, games to $35. Get a huge footprint as quickly as you can.
 

Gxgear

Member
Doesn't feel like it'll be enough. Drop the Kinect for the region altogether and push that initial ticket price even lower might help.
 

Mr.Batman

Banned
You're confusing China with Hong Kong, or maybe even Japan.

Well i'm sure that applies to both of those locations as well but when I was in China it seemed like a majority of people lived in fairly small apartments. Of course I was only in two different cities so anecdotal evidence and all that.
 
Partnering with an entaritainment company and a large online and retail company was smart idea.

Another thing people don't realize:

MS partnered with BesTV.
BesTV is a subsidiary of Shanghai Media Group (SMG).
Shanghai Media Group is a subsidiary of Shanghai Media & Entertainment Group (SMEG.)

Sony partnered with Shanghai Oriental Pearl Group
Shanghai Oriental Pearl Group is a subsidiary of Shanghai Media & Entertainment Group (SMEG.)

They're pretty much sharing the same retail and entertainment channels.
I doubt they even had a choice in terms of picking their partners.

So similar to the relationship of Shogakukan & Shueisha, the parent company (government) wins either way.
 

TomShoe

Banned
Can someone tell me if this is true? Found this on Kotaku:

Praetor said:
Fun with math!

Average annual income in China is 51,474 CNY. The current exchange rate is ~6.2 CNY to USD. So, the average annual income in China is $8,340. Thus, the XB1 (at $600) costs 7% of the average annual income in China.

In the US, the average annual income is $52,000. So, to get a feeling for what that 7% would be in the US, it's as if the XB1 cost $3,741.
 

Jomjom

Banned
meh, even if only 1% of the potential buyers in China will buy, that is huge, 1% of 500M is already 5M

Majority of Chinese citizens do not have the money to buy a game console. So it's more like the potential buyers are like 5% of the entire population, and then you are talking about the hypothetical 1% of that 5%.

China is not like the US where the majority of people are middle class and therefore makes for a much larger potential consumer pool. In China, you have a small group of extremely rich people (these people would already have the console because most of them have ties to the US, which is very visible in Southern California as housing in affluent areas are all getting gobbled up by this group), a small middle class, and then a HUGE amount of poor people.

Can someone tell me if this is true? Found this on Kotaku:

Sounds right to me. Majority of my family resides in China and I'm Chinese myself. Except for the major cities like Beijing and Shanghai, most of the citizenry is destitute by western standards.

Due to the culture, the people who are rich and make up the group that MS would sell to, almost always branch out to the US, often purchasing investment properties here or obtaining legal permanent residence through EB-5 investment visas. These people often send their kids here for schooling because of various factors (weather and air quality in the US is better, western education is highly valued, etc. etc.) These people, if they were interested in an Xbox One, would already have one.

MS probably would have been better off partnering for the 360 and releasing it at a low price like $150.
 
Can someone tell me if this is true? Found this on Kotaku:

Average annual income in China isn't a reliable indicator of anything, since the wealth gap in the country is ridiculous.

The people who are going to be buying consoles are going to be the urban families in cities such as Shanghai, Shenzen, etc. Average annual income in those areas will be in the 300K+ RMB range, or roughly 50K USD. So consoles prices are not going to be an issue.
 
Majority of Chinese citizens do not have the money to buy a game console. So it's more like the potential buyers are like 5% of the entire population, and then you are talking about the hypothetical 1% of that 5%.

China is not like the US where the majority of people are middle class and therefore makes for a much larger potential consumer pool. In China, you have a small group of extremely rich people (these people would already have the console because most of them have ties to the US, which is very visible in Southern California as housing in affluent areas are all getting gobbled up by this group), a small middle class, and then a HUGE amount of poor people.



Sounds right to me. Majority of my family resides in China and I'm Chinese myself. Except for the major cities like Beijing and Shanghai, most of the citizenry is destitute by western standards.

Due to the culture, the people who are rich and make up the group that MS would sell to, almost always branch out to the US, often purchasing investment properties here or obtaining legal permanent residence through EB-5 investment visas. These people often send their kids here for schooling because of various factors (weather and air quality in the US is better, western education is highly valued, etc. etc.) These people, if they were interested in an Xbox One, would already have one.

MS probably would have been better off partnering for the 360 and releasing it at a low price like $150.

If I'm correct china has a middle class the size of the US population so I am not sure "small" would be a accurate term.
 
If I'm correct china has a middle class the size of the US population so I am not sure "small" would be a accurate term.

Well, he's not entirely wrong (he grouped both a large part of the middle and lower class as "HUGE" group of poor.)
You're middle class as long as you pass the average annual income of approximately 50-60K RMB. Still that isn't much.

The majority of China's population (>75%) makes under 100K RMB, which is under 20K USD. Those family are not going to prioritize console purchases anytime soon.

Reminder: please remember that standard of living is very different between US and China. Especially comes to food and competitive entertainment products.
 
Well, he's not entirely wrong (he grouped both a large part of the middle and lower class as "HUGE" group of poor.)
You're middle class as long as you pass the average annual income of approximately 50-60K RMB. Still that isn't much.

The majority of China's population (>75%) makes under 100K RMB, which is under 20K USD. Those family are not going to prioritize console purchases anytime soon.

Reminder: please remember that standard of living is very different between US and China. Especially comes to food and competitive entertainment products.

A large part of that depends on what you consider "middle class". I make 78,000 yuan a year in china ( 6,500 rmb a month). And I am doing pretty well ( in a teir 2 city of Xian). The problem here isn't really the problem of buying consoles. Its buying consoles at that price. their are plenty of grey market electronic stores all over china that sell these consoles ( many of them pirated) so while the majority of chinese won't be able to buy consoles nor care to their is a large number of people that can.
 
China is rich man, nothing wrong with there price

You can't compare the $ to other countries etc, the average wages etc are pretty bad in the USA compared to the UK, china etc so I expect it to cost more else where

I'm fine with the price :)

I paid £500 Xbox one, £389 ps4 and £229 Wii U and don't feel badly done by
 

TheXbox

Member
Neverwinter Online? I didn't even know that was a thing. Also, that EPL access makes me mad. Why can't I get that?
 
A large part of that depends on what you consider "middle class". I make 78,000 yuan a year in china ( 6,500 rmb a month). And I am doing pretty well ( in a teir 2 city of Xian). The problem here isn't really the problem of buying consoles. Its buying consoles at that price. their are plenty of grey market electronic stores all over china that sell these consoles ( many of them pirated) so while the majority of chinese won't be able to buy consoles nor care to their is a large number of people that can.

Well, given my earlier posts in this thread, I certainly don't disagree that buying is not going to be an issue for most. However, my point is that given the lack of localizations efforts and the price of comparative entertainment goods, consoles are still not going to be a priority for anyone outside of the super hardcore.

It's simply easier to spend half of your monthly salary on something that will offer more utility than something that doesn't.

(jomjom's opinion is not my opinion.)
 

Jimrpg

Member
and the funny thing is I can't see any one but the richest and laziest (who won't turn off the subscriptions) to join.... from my past experience, many chinese hate subscriptions and paying for software... even rich people that can afford it.

And when I say richest I don't mean millionaires, I'm talking billionaires.... sometimes you would even say billionaires are the ones that take care of their money the most.
 

Miles X

Member
Well, he's not entirely wrong (he grouped both a large part of the middle and lower class as "HUGE" group of poor.)
You're middle class as long as you pass the average annual income of approximately 50-60K RMB. Still that isn't much.

The majority of China's population (>75%) makes under 100K RMB, which is under 20K USD. Those family are not going to prioritize console purchases anytime soon.

Reminder: please remember that standard of living is very different between US and China. Especially comes to food and competitive entertainment products.

so around 250m people there earn $20k+?

That's still a huge number to target.

People act like nobody in china buys anything luxury ...
 

weeeeezy

Banned
What are everyone's thoughts on the recent China inquiry into MS monopoly practices? Do you think it may affect the launch of Xbox in China?
 
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JoJo UK

Unconfirmed Member
I'm pretty sure on release it cost the equivalent of over $750 in the UK (£450). Even now its probably around $600 (£360) in the UK so the China price doesn't look too bad when looking at the entire package. Took exchange from xe.com BTW.
 
so around 250m people there earn $20k+?

That's still a huge number to target.

People act like nobody in china buys anything luxury ...

Did you read my earlier posts?
Only 1-2 people in this thread are claiming that people can't afford it.

The important question here is - would you buy a console where almost all of the third-party games are offered in some foreign language and first party localization might only include menu + subtitle translation (no dub.)?

At the current point, console makers have to step up in the localization efforts.


What are everyone's thoughts on the recent China inquiry into MS monopoly practices? Do you think it may affect the launch of Xbox in China?

No.
 
I guess those talks of MS exploiting a brand new market to catch up to PS4 global sales were premature. This thing is going to bomba so hard in China at that price that we're going to need a new word to describe it.

With PS4 releasing soon in China as well, they should be trying to reach the 2,500 to 2,800 RMB price range ($399-$450 approximately).

PS4 won't much a lot cheaper than Xbox One in china
Both PS4 and Xbox One under same company in china,you figure

And why you people sound like MS want this high price?
 
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