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Nintendo FY14 Q1: 0.82M 3DS, 0.51M Wii U, MK8 2.82M shipped, 10 billion yen loss
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MasterSheen
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Did we get any software sales aside from Mario Kart?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Didn't Playstation just make a $172 million profit after the launch of the PS4?
InsaneZero
Member
I'm aware of the fact that it's already happening. I don't actually think EAD's recent releases actually reflect the completion of this transition, though.
CrimsonCommie
Member
I'm not sure that's great if so! I'm not sure about Xbone either but I know both were struggling to profit last gen.
airmangataosenai
Member
Improved numbers don't make numbers "Solid". They're still really, really bad even in a normal month, and this was the month of the release of what is easily their strongest title for the remainder of this generation. And it still only got them to 500k for 3 months worldwide.
These numbers essentially make it impossible for the Wii U to end it's like with 15 million as well.
You're doing calculations catastrophically wrong. The exchange gains in 2013 do not account into operating income.
Pancakes R Us
Member
As awesome as Miyamoto is, I've felt for a number of years that he's part of the current problem at Nintendo...without any proof, of course. I see him as a bit of a dinosaur. Gaming has changed a lot but I get the impression that he still has the final say-so, and if it doesn't fly with him, then it's not going ahead.
True... it is hard to separate game-oriented sales for PC and Mobile from sales relating to the other functions that PC and Mobile, but it is also hard to deny that the most recent true system seller, Minecraft, is a PC & Mobile indie game which just resonated with a huge audience that just happened to have been ported to 360 and PS3. Then you've got the F2P games that have populated both PC & Mobile which are free for the majority of people who play them. Then you've got the indie movement on PC & Mobile which are bringing back genres which had become niche. That's the current state of PC and Mobile gaming and one that has both cheap prices and sheer variety going for both.
Are you sure you know what you're talking about? Do you have evidence of Nintendo to back up your claim that NCL is stopping NOA from recruiting 3rd party games or acting on market trends?
wat
it's a well known fact that modern day NOA has no power whatsoever within its own region
back in the 90s? they were knocking shiz out of the park.
Its possible NOA could be doing more things to improve Nintendo's bottom line. It's possible NCL is hampering NOA in some ways. But all you've stated is your opinion based on "a well known fact", you mentioned Minecraft as if it was evidence of what you say, but seemingly it's not. Back in the 90s Nintendo systems were home to most/nearly all popular 3rd party games. So maybe you felt like NOA was doing a great job then. But the industry has changed in ways that have very little to do with NOA.
hydragonwarrior
Member
Miyamoto's only flaw, imo, is him enforcing Wind Waker on Gamecube. The radical turn around back to Twilight Princess was hilarious.
Otherwise, he still makes fun games - dinosaurs still have that wisdom when it comes to making a game fun. He'll be directing the games that both kids and adults (who give games with an cartoonish look a chance) love to play, and that's what counts. This is incredibly hard to see because us adults forget pretty quickly the games we loved to play back then
Miyamoto hasn't directed a game in like 20 years.
wat part 2
Howard Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa were a powerhouse in NoA throughout the 90s, resulting in the best western support Nintendo has ever seen (or will ever see again).
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=51985872&postcount=106
See this post for more information.
1st Course
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I updated these charts
numbers from here
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/historical_data/xls/consolidated_sales_e1406.xls
Notice how high Wii PAL sales compared to other Nintendo consoles.
numbers from here
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/historical_data/xls/consolidated_sales_e1406.xls
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| Region | GB | GBA | NDS | 3DS |
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| Japan | 32,470,000 | 16,960,000 | 32,990,000 | 16,150,000 |
| The Americas | 44,060,000 | 41,640,000 | 59,930,000 | 14,830,000 |
| Other | 42,160,000 | 22,910,000 | 61,070,000 | 13,160,000 |
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| Total | 118,690,000 | 81,510,000 | 153,990,000 | 44,140,000 |
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| Region | NES | SNES | N64 | NGC | WII | WIU |
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| Japan | 19,350,000 | 17,170,000 | 5,540,000 | 4,040,000 | 12,750,000 | 1,870,000 |
| The Americas | 34,000,000 | 23,350,000 | 20,630,000 | 12,940,000 | 48,500,000 | 3,080,000 |
[B]| Other | 8,560,000 | 8,580,000 | 6,750,000 | 4,770,000 | 39,900,000 | 1,730,000 |[/B]
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| Total | 61,910,000 | 49,100,000 | 32,920,000 | 21,750,000 | 101,150,000 | 6,680,000 |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Notice how high Wii PAL sales compared to other Nintendo consoles.
Even though Miyamoto stepped down as General EAD producer, his influence, input and control remain quite strong in Nintendo's overall development environment. This isn't just for Nintendo 1st party internal teams, but also external ones such as with Retro Studios as well as 2nd party projects like Luigi's Mansion 2 by Next Level Games.
Maybe.
But dinosaurs who are good at designing fun games should have their own little studio and the freedom to design the kind of games they're good at. They shouldn't be able to dictate a company's strategic vision and they most certainly shouldn't be in charge of a company's largest software division.
InsaneZero
Member
My primary problem with Miyamoto as a manager is that he is too much of a perfectionist. He wants a game to be continuously tweaked until during development right up to the point of release, so that the game is extraordinarily polished when it comes out. However, that sort of behavior is becoming more and more costly as games are becoming more and more complex. It's simply not possible to expect a game to come out on time when requirements keep changing. That's why I want Miyamoto to have less influence on development, as his details oriented feedback no longer works for larger projects.
I'm perfectly fine with Miyamoto getting involved in smaller scale projects though.
EDIT: One thing that I forgot to mention: Miyamoto also guides development towards the type of games that he prefers. This is not necessarily a big problem in itself, but that in conjunction with the previous issue means that people might be spending weeks creating something that might not actually appeal to a large audience.
MikeE21286
Member
Successor to 3DS at next year's E3? If not it's a mistake
Finale Fireworker
Member
The problem with Miyamoto is that he views games as toys. As toys, they revolve directly and exclusively around the mechanic. This is what Nintendo has always been really good at: fun mechanics. But games have changed and evolved in a lot of ways and it's not JUST about the mechanics anymore.
The days of Donkey Kong Land as a statement against "fancy graphics" are over. Games like Paper Mario should not have their stories excised. Characters as blank slates for the player to project into are not as simple as having a white male in a distinctive wardrobe anymore. People don't only have one console hooked up to their living room television - people play alone in their bedrooms too. All these philosophies and ideas are stuck in the 80s. Games are not just toys anymore - video Bop-Its - they're experiences.
They've improved pretty dramatically though. It would have taken a miracle for them to be any better than this.
They should talk about it at the beginning of next year and reveal it at E3 and launch it in oct-nov next year
InsaneZero
Member
In absolute terms, these numbers are really bad.
You're saying that these numbers were the best that Nintendo could've realistically achieved. It would take a miracle to do better than really bad numbers.
Doesn't that just highlight just how much of a hole Nintendo is in right now?
NoA doesn't make games anymore, true. But Nintendo lost western 3rd party support for a whole host of reasons, just as they are in this current situation for a whole host of reasons. As I said, there was a time when Nintendo consoles were where money was made. But this is a 3 console market now, not to mention a possibly contracting global market.
I don't see a direct connection between the state of NoA today and the state of Nintendo's profits today.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
With Mario Kart numbers keeping the WiiU alive, I wonder if Nintendo can squeak through this entire generation with spacing out their big 1st party games.
Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Zelda, Mario all spread out in 4 years.
This can save Nintendo.
Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Zelda, Mario all spread out in 4 years.
This can save Nintendo.
Glorified G
Member
This is beyond delusional. AssCreed, Destiny, CoD completely dwarfs Nintendo's lineup this holiday. Your taking your own personal bias and projecting it on sales, which makes no sense.
Amazeballs
Member
Huh.
theprodigy
Member
No it can't, not that Nintendo needs saving, but if it did that wouldn't work. The shipments are still absolutely awful, and MK is among the biggest, Zelda and Mario (as we've seen) do not come close to MK purchasing power.
Amazeballs
Member
The fact that the convo is moving back and forth between a discussion of the quality of the game rather than sales potential.
GOGOheadray
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MK8 numbers show what we already know. The fact that most nintendo gamers only buy the platform for nintendo games; as well as the fact that those games aren't bringing in new consumers. I would be worried if I was nintendo.
In this thread about financial performance, the conversation has always been about sales potential.
if noa was allowed to operate independently of japanese oversight, we it's possible we would have had a proper and timely version of minecraft, a game which is perfectly suited for nintendo's core audience.
it really is a huge deal that noa is not allowed to do even the simplest of tasks without approval from a dude high up in japan, who really doesn't care about much outside of japan.
to say that noa's subservience has little to do with their profits is astounding
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Man, this graph really is something else.
Nintendo not pursuing a version of Minecraft for the Wii U is insane and shows how out of touch they are. It's a massive success among kids and the crafting mechanic would be a perfect showcase for the GamePad. The retail version has entrenched itself into the top 10 in both the US and Europe for months, but since it doesn't sell in Japan and didn't come from the likes of Activision or Ubisoft, they completely ignore it.
Well at least we got wonderful 101
GOGOheadray
Member
I agree; but wouldn't that require a whole sale change in philosophy with nintendo? IMO Nintendo is the most conservative video gaming company in existence there isn't much change at the top and people are in positions which; lets be honest here they shouldn't be in any longer ( Iwata, miyamoto). We saw how quick sony got rid of the "father" of the PlayStation and how Microsoft changed quickly firing mattrick after the xone disstair. I'm not sure if the changes needed for nintendo to make are able to be made by the people with the power to make them; even now we see this with the new QOL coming up in another attempt to recapture the blue ocean audience which has long since dried up.
jcm, not jvm.
Statements like these need proof or else all you've done is use a bunch of silly language. Yes, Iwata is head of NoA but it's silly to say that he doesn't care about much outside of Japan. North America is the largest videogame market, the Wii and DS did incredibly well here. Just because Nintendo systems are struggling in NA this gen doesn't mean Nintendo/Iwata "doesn't care about much outside of Japan". That comment makes no sense. It's less silly to say that Nintendo has a Japan-centric hardware and software philosophy. This statement has the benefit of being both reasonable and accurate.
In fact I think Iwata recently made himself head of NoA so that he could better oversea their business and operation in North America.
it's an observation. people are able to make observations based on company history, market trends, and financial reports
i'm right. if you have a response other than "you are just saying words" then please feel free, make your arguments
eddfromtheriver
Banned
I agree with your post, and i expect Nintendo's next handheld to do even worse numbers, that market is rapidly declining/getting eaten by smartphone gaming and such.
It's a shallower hole now? I'm not trying to say they're doing well. I just don't get the level of surprise in this thread, or the "even Mario Kart can't save Nintendo" comments, as if one game was going to turn around the Wii U's fortunes in a single month. The 3DS fall off is probably the biggest story here.
Glorified G
Member
Yes forgot FIFA. And dumbfounding that an EA Sports title isn't coming to a major released console today.
I was strictly talking about sales. I have Smash Bros preordred and not buying any of the titles mentioned but let's be honest. Wii U is as niche as niche can get and is not competing with that lineup in anyway
Bony Manifesto
Member
But that's exactly the point. NOA is now, quite literally, being run from Japan!