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[NeOak]

Hey remember when the Borg and Romulans brought Kirk back to life and then sent him to kill Riker but he got captured and turned back to the light side so then him and Picard took the Defiant to the Borg homeworld and blew it up? Wasn't that fun.

This made me cringe. Jesus.

 

[benjipwns]

Was the Borg never showing up in DS9 because the writers had restraint and didnt want to just ape the big TNG villains or was it more down to saving them because they knew Voyager was literally heading in their direction?

DS9's point was that you couldn't just "warp away" from your problems each week.

They would have been wiped out unless they got a nice deus ex machina from the Prophets. (ala Sacrifice of Angels)

 

[Partial Gamification]

Seriously, I mourn for how they just destroyed the Borg simplicity. Work with the federation against some other super species? Get that shit out of here. The Borg wouldn't make a damp truce with the federation. If they had any reason to think that Voyager would have tech that they could use, they would assimilate them to get it. That's how they work. That's how the Borg survived for hundreds of years dominating species after species, planet after planet.

There was likely a writer that said "these guys are too one-dimensional."

Maybe it was the introduction of 7of9 acting as the negative effect from sex appeal softening of the Borg. I don't know the chronology well enough to offer more than speculation.

 

[Pagusas]

Was the Borg never showing up in DS9 because the writers had restraint and didnt want to just ape the big TNG villains or was it more down to saving them because they knew Voyager was literally heading in their direction?

The Borg were technically in the very first episode of DS9.

 

[DrForester]

Was the Borg never showing up in DS9 because the writers had restraint and didnt want to just ape the big TNG villains or was it more down to saving them because they knew Voyager was literally heading in their direction?

The Borg were scared of The Sisko. They planned the attack in First Contact for when Sisko was off the station, hence why he wasn't piloting The Defiant. He was in the Badlands with Eddington. Sisko didn't brood out a window making tea when his life was ruined by The Borg. he got to work making a ship who's mission was to kill Borg.

Basically this (go to a minute in)

 

[AnotherNils]

Uh, they were adjusting frequencies dude.

It's not like The Borg could just, I dunno, block all of them.

They did, though. Once they got smart enough to set phasers to rotate frequency after every shot, they still only had a limited window before they would stop them anyway.

 

[Verger]

Like someone said. Voyager needed a villain, and since the Delta quadrant was their home territory it was only natural they became the main recurring antagonists.

Due to how the Voyager writers were pretty much told/ordered by executives and so on to "fuck continuity", they really couldn't develop an original recurring antagonist, and the ones they tried to create either were pretty crap (the stupid Kazon, the Predator wannabe's Hirogen, the trashy Malon, random Hologram psychos) or underutilized (The Vidiians, the Krenim) and none were really "accepted" by fans as a real threat. The Borg carried that cache of prominence that could always be counted on to bring viewers in.

And of course, Janeway is crazy lucky so all her plans would work out.

 

[whiteninja]

At least you havnt played the mmo yet (have you?) Borg cubes are supposed to be these huge terrifying things meant to be taken on by a group of people but I can usually solo them with my klingon char's battlecruiser.
And on foot drones are nothing more than nuisance for my bat'leth.

 

[FeenixRising]

Voyager writers threw every other villain in the bushes so might as well get the borg.

Kazon? Ha.

Vidians? Ha.

Hirogen? Who?

Species 8472? Wut.

 

[Acorn]

Borg were too powerful. If everything went according to lore no one would ever conceivably be able to beat them.

Space Nazi's with a 1000 years tech advantage.

 

[benjipwns]

Due to how the Voyager writers were pretty much told/ordered by executives and so on to "fuck continuity", they really couldn't develop an original recurring antagonist, and the ones they tried to create either were pretty crap (the stupid Kazon, the Predator wannabe's Hirogen, the trashy Malon, random Hologram psychos) or underutilized (The Vidiians, the Krenim) and none were really "accepted" by fans as a real threat. The Borg carried that cache of prominence that could always be counted on to bring viewers in.

Voyager writers threw every other villain in the bushes so might as well get the borg.

Kazon? Ha.

Vidians? Ha.

Hirogen? Who?

Species 8472? Wut.

Part of that has to do with the theme, they're traveling across an entire quadrant. According to fan calculations I saw once: In the time it took them just to get out of Kazon space is like all of everything we saw in TOS/TNG/DS9 in terms of species/planets/empires/etc. So you'd go through the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Ferengi, Breen, Tholians, etc.

And then they were making tens of thousands of light year jumps sometimes, so you can't really have the Kazon suddenly show up when you're 25 years travel time across the quadrant.

 

[DrForester]

I'll give the Voyager staff that the Videans were down right scary, but there wasn't much to them. They steal organs, that's it. Not to mention their level of medical technology, yet they can't grow replacement organs just seems laughable. Kind of like the warp capable Kazon being too stupid to go to another planet for water.

Part of that has to do with the theme, they're traveling across an entire quadrant. According to fan calculations I saw once: In the time it took them just to get out of Kazon space is like all of everything we saw in TOS/TNG/DS9 in terms of species/planets/empires/etc. So you'd go through the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Ferengi, Breen, Tholians, etc.

And then they were making tens of thousands of light year jumps sometimes, so you can't really have the Kazon suddenly show up when you're 25 years travel time across the quadrant.

Well, they ditched the Kazon after season 2 because they were a failure as a credible villain.

 

[ZedIndyLil]

I could have gone for fewer Q episodes and more Lore episodes

Wait, that's stupid. I trade Lwaxana for Lore.

And fewer Borg eps. The more you explain, the more you wreck them.

 

[mr jones]

This made me cringe. Jesus.

Just read the wiki. Wow.

Wow.



Wow.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

This thread just makes me miss real Trek, good or bad, it was still better than the shit we're getting now.

Yeah, even Enterprise.

 

[benjipwns]

Well, they ditched the Kazon after season 2 because they were a failure as a credible villain.

Well, yeah, that too. But they couldn't have kept the Kazon plausibly for the entire seven year run. Like TOS/TNG/DS9/ENT could do with Klingons, Romulans, etc.

Just as an aside. The Kazon as originally pitched were a bit different:

The series' co-creators originally conceived of the Kazon as contemporary Los Angeles street gangs. Jeri Taylor recalled, "We felt with the Kazon we needed to address the tenor of our times and what [...] was happening in our cities and recognizing a source of danger and social unrest. We wanted to do that metaphorically." (Captains' Logs Supplemental - The Unauthorized Guide to the New Trek Voyages, p. 151) One factor in this analogy was that the trio wanted to have in-fighting between the alien "gangs". Michael Piller commented, "Our intention was to create a sort of disorganized anarchy, them-against-them as much as them-against-us." (Captains' Logs Supplemental - The Unauthorized Guide to the New Trek Voyages, p. 161)

The earliest material evidence of the Kazon concept is one of many summaries of the discussions written by Jeri Taylor during the development process; the specific summary in which the idea first appears is dated 10 August 1993 and reads, "Maybe there are 'gangs' who are the villains. They don't respect the prime directive, and have interfered with many non-warp cultures. They come in and 'squat' on a planet. They're basically bullies." The same set of notes also posits, "At least two gangs–Crips and Bloods, in competition for influence." (A Vision of the Future - Star Trek: Voyager, p. 186) The terms used to refer to these two groups were intentionally meant as preliminary, shorthand names. (A Vision of the Future - Star Trek: Voyager, p. 187)

On 16 August, Jeri Taylor wrote another summary, including the statement, "The Crips have a rival (or more), for territory; they vie for new worlds, wiping out people on the way. Maybe on some planets they get along with the native population. But generally, they begin, like skinheads, to practice 'ethnic cleansing.'" This summary also shows that, at this point, Taylor and her fellow series co-creators were considering the possibility that, in the pilot episode of the forthcoming Star Trek series, the series' main characters might form a truce with one of the gangs, making the other gang an enemy for the rest of the series. The document went on to state, "Perhaps there are three gangs, with constantly shifting relationships and allegiances. Just as we think we have sorted it out, the balance shifts again." (A Vision of the Future - Star Trek: Voyager, pp. 187-188)

In a much longer summary, dated the next day (17 August), a preliminary story outline for the pilot episode of the upcoming series described the Crips as "a gang which, in conflict with two other gangs, competes for territory in this region of space." (A Vision of the Future - Star Trek: Voyager, pp. 190-191) In addition, this early story outline shows that the series co-creators were still considering the idea that one of the enemy gangs (now selected to be the Crips) would forge a truce with the series' hero characters and that another of the gangs (said to be the Bloods) would therefore serve as antagonists for the series, vowing to eliminate the main characters. (A Vision of the Future - Star Trek: Voyager, p. 191) This initial concept was scrapped by 10 September 1993, as can be seen in another of Jeri Taylor's notes (which twice abbreviates the terms used for the gangs as "the B's and C's"). The quarrelsome gangs continued to play into development for the pilot episode, although proceeding along much the same lines as they are depicted in the final version of that installment (besides the continued use of their shorthand gang-names). (A Vision of the Future - Star Trek: Voyager, p. 205)

By mid-1994, the name of the new species had been changed to "Gazon" (most likely by Michael Piller, who was working on the script for the pilot episode, "Caretaker", by that point). (A Vision of the Future - Star Trek: Voyager, p. 232) At some time in either June, July or August 1994, the species name was finally changed to "Kazon". (A Vision of the Future - Star Trek: Voyager, p. 281) The reason for the name change between "Gazon" (pronounced with an "a" sound) and "Kazon" (pronounced with an "ay" sound) was that, with the Middle East's Gaza Strip being an oft-mentioned news item at the time, the producers feared that an unintended metaphor might be made between the similarly-sounding "Gazon" and "Gaza Strip". (Star Trek Monthly issue 4, p. 55) The first edition of the Star Trek: Voyager Technical Manual, first printed in September 1994, clarified that only two competing Kazon "sects" were still planned to be established, one of which was branded with the ultimately unused name "Kazon-Sera" (the other being the Kazon-Ogla

 

[mr jones]

I could have gone for fewer Q episodes and more Lore episodes

Wait, that's stupid. I trade Lwaxana for Lore.

And fewer Borg eps. The more you explain, the more you wreck them.

This guy gets it.

 

[FStop7]

Because the more you see of a villain the less scary they become.

And the temptation to write more episodes about the Borg was too tempting, so they had to be diluted.

They should have retired them after The Best of Both Worlds.

 

[Volimar]

i still remember way back when Star Trek was a thing and The Borg were introduced... shit was actually a TV event leading all the way up to when Picard was assimilated.

Bah bah bah bah



Bah bah bah bah


Baaaaaahhhhhhh

 

[benjipwns]

I think they pretty much had to put them in Voyager.

But what if they had, instead of 90% of the garbage like Unimatrix Zero or the Borg kids or..., kept most of it to like the early episodes. Where they find the Borg corpse, or they come across the shutdown Borg ship and the former Borg colony.

Just a little reminder that the Borg are out there in the Delta Quadrant. Or they pick up some Borg on sensors so they go around and run into planet/enemy of the week.

It seemed like they might have been trying that with Species 8472, like when they come across just the lone one being hunted by the Hirogen, and then they did the fucking Starfleet simulation episode.

 

[MHWilliams]

The Borg were just too big and bad, and taken to their natural end, they should've stomped everyone. Every time they were used diminished their impact, like the Angels on Doctor Who.

 

[Verger]

Part of that has to do with the theme, they're traveling across an entire quadrant. According to fan calculations I saw once: In the time it took them just to get out of Kazon space is like all of everything we saw in TOS/TNG/DS9 in terms of species/planets/empires/etc. So you'd go through the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Ferengi, Breen, Tholians, etc.

And then they were making tens of thousands of light year jumps sometimes, so you can't really have the Kazon suddenly show up when you're 25 years travel time across the quadrant.

Heh, the writers (who probably didn't bother watching previous episodes) wouldn't let a thing like distance stop them when it was convenient. There was an episode where the crew encountered the Malon after two 10,000 light year jumps (nerd talk: First was the Quantum Slipstream flight that nearly destroyed them. Second was the stolen Transwarp Coil from the Borg). And they encountered the Hirogen pretty constantly too (though they were at least written to be a race that at once had a massive empire due to their telecommunications network which spanned the whole Galaxy).

Well, yeah, that too. But they couldn't have kept the Kazon plausibly for the entire seven year run. Like TOS/TNG/DS9/ENT could do with Klingons, Romulans, etc.

Just as an aside. The Kazon as originally pitched were a bit different:

That's a very interesting premise. It's too bad it was executed so poorly with the Kazon ended up more as stupid Barbarians than credible gangs. Heck, they had to write in a Cardassian Spy, Seska (a member of the Obsidian Order in the books) to be an accomplice to them to make them a more credible threat.

 

[benjipwns]

None of the Seska/Tom Paris plot thing made any plausible sense.

And then in the end she just becomes the baby carrier for Maje Cullah instead of superspy pulling off epic betrayal.

Voyager fucked up so many potentially good premises it's amazing. (Like say everything involving the Maquis crew.)

 

[NotSelf]

I liked the episode were geordi became buddies with the borg

 

[G-Fex]

I BibleThumped pretty hard when that Borg with the advanced technology let himself die and Seven was heartbroken over it.

 

[Lee Chaolan]

I agree with the OP in the sense the more the Borg were drawn out, the worse they became. The intimidating force from early TNG should have stayed prevalent.

Although for me, you can never have too much Q.

Anyone play Star Trek Borg? The interactive Q and Borg adventure?

 

[PdotMichael]

The Borgs would have only make sense if you want to telllarge space-genocide story. Anything else is just deus ex machina after deus ex machina.

 

[Verger]

None of the Seska/Tom Paris plot thing made any plausible sense.

And then in the end she just becomes the baby carrier for Maje Cullah instead of superspy pulling off epic betrayal.

Voyager fucked up so many potentially good premises it's amazing. (Like say everything involving the Maquis crew.)

Heh. I think you meant Seska/Chakotay right?

Unless you meant Tom Paris as a character (we all know he's Nicolas Lacarno ). But yeah, Seska was another waste. A master spy of the Obsidian Order obsessing over Chakotay and forging an alliance with the Kazon of all people. Garak would have been ashamed that such a creature was a spy.

And yeah, in the end there seemed to be no real point to the whole Starfleet/Maquis dynamics other than fodder for a few episodes in the first two seasons and some sporadic notes in later seasons.

I BibleThumped pretty hard when that Borg with the advanced technology let himself die and Seven was heartbroken over it.

I actually very much liked that episode. The actor who played that Super Borg did a great job. He was like a combination of Hugh and HAL.

Of course, I'd argue the Borg would become "nerfed" thanks to the creation of Seven of Nine character. A Borg "true believer" now as a human who we can empathize with. It's the tried and true method of understanding the "villains". It's what they did with 8472 as well. I actually didn't have a problem with the concept of making peace with 8472. I had a problem that it was done so badly in one episode and we never hear from them again.

 

[Volimar]

I don't need a reason:

 

[Nuklear]

This thread just makes me miss real Trek, good or bad, it was still better than the shit we're getting now.

Yeah, even Enterprise.

No, Voyager or Enterprise... JUST NO!!!

 

[Aeriscloud]

Two Janeway threads in the same day?!

 

[benjipwns]

Heh. I think you meant Seska/Chakotay right?

Unless you meant Tom Paris as a character (we all know he's Nicolas Lacarno ). But yeah, Seska was another waste. A master spy of the Obsidian Order obsessing over Chakotay and forging an alliance with the Kazon of all people. Garak would have been ashamed that such a creature was a spy.

No, the whole plot line where Paris was acting weird and left the ship to expose the spy or whatever.

I wiped the Chakotay thing from my brain.

No, Voyager or Enterprise... JUST NO!!!

I liked parts of Enterprise, especially the third season's forcing continuity on the ships status and the crew into hardships.

I think Enterprise actually did Voyager's premise better than Voyager did.

 

[BigDug13]

Whoever wrote First Contact had just come back from watching Captain EO at Disney. It's uncanny how nearly exact the ripoff of the Borg themselves and especially the Borg queen was from that short movie.

(Also seemed to be the genesis of the Jabba band from ROTJ but Lucas did all that so it's understandable. )

 

[Verger]

No, the whole plot line where Paris was acting weird and left the ship to expose the spy or whatever.

I wiped the Chakotay thing from my brain.

Lol, the spy, I totally forgot about that one. That must have been one of the few attempts at continuity Voyager did. And yeah, I never could really piece that plotline together. I remember Paris acting badly a few episodes and then that one ep where everything was revealed.

That was the big problem with Voyager. They wanted everything resolved in a single episode no matter what.

 

[benjipwns]

That probably goes back to Rick Berman, he was the one who when they were talking about the Dominion War wanted only a four or five episode arc.

EDIT: Which is somewhat ironic then considering Enterprise's third season which he was at the helm for.

 

[Verger]

That probably goes back to Rick Berman, he was the one who when they were talking about the Dominion War wanted only a four or five episode arc.

EDIT: Which is somewhat ironic then considering Enterprise's third season which he was at the helm for.

I often wonder how the disparity in the way DS9 and Voyager were handled came about. Where as DS9 became a super-focused continuity and character driven series, Voyager became more of a serial with each week being something completely different. I thought I heard somewhere that because Voyager was on network TV that made the execs try to treat it more as a "procedural", as that's the kind of show network viewers only seem to care about.

 

[Acorn]

I don't need a reason:

Lol

 

[Delta Assault]

I often wonder how the disparity in the way DS9 and Voyager were handled came about. Where as DS9 became a super-focused continuity and character driven series, Voyager became more of a serial with each week being something completely different. I thought I heard somewhere that because Voyager was on network TV that made the execs try to treat it more as a "procedural", as that's the kind of show network viewers only seem to care about.

...I don't think you know what a serial is.

 

[Verger]

...I don't think you know what a serial is.

lol, my bad. I meant the antithesis of a serial. Which I guess was a procedural

 

[DrForester]

That probably goes back to Rick Berman, he was the one who when they were talking about the Dominion War wanted only a four or five episode arc.

EDIT: Which is somewhat ironic then considering Enterprise's third season which he was at the helm for.

I think it was more Bragga pushing for the Xindi arc on Enterprise. He also wanted a full year on Voyager for Year of Hell.

I often wonder how the disparity in the way DS9 and Voyager were handled came about. Where as DS9 became a super-focused continuity and character driven series, Voyager became more of a serial with each week being something completely different. I thought I heard somewhere that because Voyager was on network TV that made the execs try to treat it more as a "procedural", as that's the kind of show network viewers only seem to care about.

Pi think the SFDebris reviewer put it best, saying that DS9 took risks and rarely played it safe. By contrast, Voyager rarely took risks and played it safe most the time.

 

[industrian]

Hey remember when the Borg and Romulans brought Kirk back to life and then sent him to kill Riker but he got captured and turned back to the light side so then him and Picard took the Defiant to the Borg homeworld and blew it up? Wasn't that fun.

It's quite telling that the ending of Nemesis is almost identical (in terms of character actions, not setting.)

 

[Verger]

I think it was more Bragga pushing for the Xindi arc on Enterprise. He also wanted a full year on Voyager for Year of Hell.

I keep getting Berman and Braga mixed up in terms of who was "worse" for Trek, as well as which one was Jeri Ryan sleeping with. Is there a consensus on that point? Though I have to say I really really wish Braga's Year of Hell being a full season had happened. That was the only two-parter in the show where the characters had actual meaningful development and their interactions actually felt natural.

 

[Delta Assault]

I keep getting Berman and Braga mixed up in terms of who was "worse" for Trek, as well as which one was Jeri Ryan sleeping with. Is there a consensus on that point?

She was sleeping with Braga.

 

[Deleted member 102481]

I'm confused in voyager series finale are the borg wiped out for good?

 

[MisterHero]

I'm confused in voyager series finale are the borg wiped out for good?

No. Voyager destroyed their transwarp system that linked the Delta Quadrant to the Alpha Quadrant.

They also destroyed Unimatrix Zero, which freed the hosts that were resisting the collective the most. Eventually large populations of drones would be freed.

If Star Trek Online counts, IIRC former drones have even joined the Federation. (I don't play the game though...)

 

[benjipwns]

I often wonder how the disparity in the way DS9 and Voyager were handled came about. Where as DS9 became a super-focused continuity and character driven series, Voyager became more of a serial with each week being something completely different. I thought I heard somewhere that because Voyager was on network TV that made the execs try to treat it more as a "procedural", as that's the kind of show network viewers only seem to care about.

I think Ira Steven Behr has usually been credited for a lot of that. And also the fact that all the people who thought differently ran off to Voyager.

In relation to the decision to set the show in a fixed location, Ira Steven Behr, speaking in 1996, commented; "We have certain advantages that I think no other Star Trek series has had, because we do have a base of operations that doesn't travel through space, which is the space station. Every story we do, the repercussions, the consequences don't disappear. It's not like the other shows where you have an adventure and then you zoom off into the great unknown. We are here, we have made a home, what we do has consequences. And I think we're able to do this mosaic, this fabric of life in the future, which I like." Similarly, Robert Hewitt Wolfe, speaking in 2002 stated; "I think if Next Generation and The Original Series were about going out there and discovering new things about other races, Deep Space Nine is about staying in one place and discovering new things about ourselves. Not that we didn't go out there and discover things, but we had the same characters, we didn't change location every week. Sisko couldn't just solve a problem and sail off into the sunset, and never have to go back to that place again. That place was always there, and that problem could always come back to haunt him. So, in a lot of ways, it was a more complex show." (New Frontiers: The Story of Deep Space Nine, DS9 Season 2 DVD special features)

Setting the show in a fixed location also meant that a large cast of recurring characters could be built up with relative ease; much more so than in The Original Series or The Next Generation before it, or Voyager or Star Trek: Enterprise since. As Rick Berman, speaking in 2002, states; "The show was land-based, but the benefit we got from that was that by staying in one place, it enabled us to create twenty or thirty secondary and recurring characters, which really enriched the show because of all the multi-layers of relationships that have existed over the years. It's a very character driven show as a result, and I think that makes it quite unique." (Deep Space Nine: A Bold Beginning, DS9 Season 1 DVD special features)

The main cast was intentionally assembled to create conflict (Quark and Odo, Kira and Sisko, etc) so as to contrast the relatively tranquil atmosphere aboard Federation starships. This was another very specific decision taken by the producers. Gene Roddenberry's golden rule was that there was to be no conflict among Starfleet characters, so the producers decided to introduce non-Starfleet characters so conflict could come from within the show rather than always coming from outside (as it did on TNG). As writer Joe Menosky explains, "You can see right away they're not the perfectly engineered Humans of TNG. They seem more real. I don't know if that makes them as attractive to viewers or not. But they are really different, and they represent a different way to tell a story. And it was definitely a conscious choice to create that potential for conflict." Similarly, Rick Berman states, "Viewers didn't see that group of loving family members that existed on the first two Star Trek shows." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion) Michael Piller also comments on this, somewhat controversial, aspect of the show; "One of the primary goals of the development process was to come up with a show that had more inherent conflict than The Next Generation. In order to do that, you have to understand that Gene Roddenberry had a very specific vision for humanity in the 24th century. What that meant for The Next Generation was that everybody gets along remarkably well on the Enterprise. There's very little room for interpersonal conflict between those people. In this series, we set out to create a situation that would provide natural conflict. We've populated the show with several aliens, primarily Bajorans, as we are stationed on the edge of the Bajoran star system. And the Bajorans are very different people than we are. They are people who are very spiritual and mystical and have a whole different way of looking at life than the 24th century humanist views which many of our Starfleet people will have. So immediately, there are conflicts. And then there's additional aliens from elsewhere who are thrown into the mix. So, as regular characters, not all the people are Starfleet, not all the people are human, and as a result, you have this continuing conflict, because people who come from different places, honorable, noble people, will naturally have conflicts." (Deep Space Nine: A Bold Beginning, DS9 Season 1 DVD special features)

 

[Deleted member 102481]

star trek voyagers time travel is the same as that time travel where the borg go to earth in 2022 right?

I always liked star trek enterprise/voyager time travel

 

[Custard Trout]

Why the hell was there a Borg queen?

I'm not really a huge Star Trek fan; but they sounded like the kind of people that would have a queen from the rest of the post.

That makes it worse though, it would have been nice and unpredictable if they didn't, but apparently Sci-Fi follows a code...

 

[benjipwns]

I always assumed the Queen was supposed to be like the personification and avatar of the collective like they wanted to do with Locutus. Or maybe the result of some kind of historically central consciousness within it.

And then Voyager just made her like the lead bad woman of a society who has her own separate personal agenda and emotions.

 

[Verger]

I'm confused in voyager series finale are the borg wiped out for good?

It destroyed the Queen and the Hive Mind as well as trashing their galactic Transwarp network which was the backbone of their empire. As we saw in Voyager's "Unity" episode though, Drones can easily create new Hive Minds as well. So I'd imagine they would be in a situation similar to how the Zerg have been in StarCraft when left without a central leader.

Star Trek Voyager was terrible when it came to Time Travel, ie. they relied upon it far far too frequently. They even made a running joke about how Janeway made it a point in life to avoid "temporal issues' but would still far too often be the victim of many, or in the finale, just make them herself.

I wonder if Voyager had the most time travel episodes out of the whole series?