You seem to think you're disagreeing with me, but you're not. My point was that Microsoft wouldn't throw money at securing (what's likely to be proven timed) exclusivity for the game if it didn't think the measure would prove to be financially worthwhile -- this in itself isn't just limited to Microsoft's cut from sales as the platform holder, which is what you appear to think I'm alluding to.
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Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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You seem to think you're disagreeing with me, but you're not. My point was that Microsoft wouldn't throw money at securing (what's likely to be proven timed) exclusivity for the game if it didn't think the measure would prove to be financially worthwhile -- this in itself isn't just limited to Microsoft's cut from sales as the platform holder, which is what you appear to think I'm alluding to.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Lol I feel like this part is getting lost in all this. Cross gen games late into 2015? Wut?
This is a dumb move when you consider that it took the previous Tomb Raider game releasing on five systems (360/PS3/PC/XB1/PS4) to become profitable. Microsoft must have offered up a ton of money to make Square/Eidos agree. Oh well, I don't own an XB1 (yet) but I don't consider this a huge loss. The Tomb Raider reboot was an okay but not necessarily great game.
More like hire your own developers and build up a studio.
Then create a franchises within the same genre.
Profit.
Especially long term, if you hired the right developers and they can continue to develop more awesome games.
I can wait for the 2016 PC release. I don't think this is a huge system seller.
S-E still thought that wasn't satisfactory. So why not look for outside funding?
ther's no issue with kamiya game being exclusibe to xone here
AmuroChan
Member
Unless MS offered S-E so much that they just couldn't refuse.
Uno Venova
Banned
I can't see how paying to keep a sequel off other platforms for gamers is comparable to reviving a dead franchise.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
This is the worst comment in this entire thread.
I simply can't understand why there is not even a PC version, that is the most crazy part about this for me. If all Microsoft wants to do is have their own Uncharted (which is their obvious reason for buying this franchise) then why also kill a PC version? No PC-gamer will buy an Xbox One just to play this, so all you do is lose sales.
Anyway, on the console side of things it is an incredibly smart move by MS, and probably a dumb one by SE. But then again, it is not like SE has done anything smart for quite a while now.
The salt here on GAF will be glorious though, this is even bigger than Bayonetta 2 (especially since that game wouldn't exist without Nintendo anyway). Moneyhats don't get any larger than this.
Anyway, on the console side of things it is an incredibly smart move by MS, and probably a dumb one by SE. But then again, it is not like SE has done anything smart for quite a while now.
The salt here on GAF will be glorious though, this is even bigger than Bayonetta 2 (especially since that game wouldn't exist without Nintendo anyway). Moneyhats don't get any larger than this.
BruiserBear
Banned
It was funny reading posts like this about Titanfall a year ago. Then the real story came out that the game almost got cancelled because they ran out of money, and Microsoft stepped in to fund it, thus making it exclusive.
We all heard the reports that Square Enix was disappointed by Tomb Raider's sales last year. We don't know what kind of things were going on behind the scenes with these projects.
Always-honest
Banned
Oh fdamn.. Wamted to play the next one fully next gen Tombraider on my PS4...
Hopefully timed exclusive for me. But smart for MS and nice for Xbone owners.
Tomtaider DE was pretty good imo.
Hopefully timed exclusive for me. But smart for MS and nice for Xbone owners.
Tomtaider DE was pretty good imo.
backflip10019
Member
Well, I guess it's apparent that when they said "exclusives," what they actually meant were "exclusives that we didn't first assume were multiplatform."
Supidest decision ever. They just lost millions of sales. By holiday 2015 how much do you think the PS4 sales will be? They're really comfortable ignoring that installed base? Don't get me started on europe when nothing MS does will change sales over there. PS4 has already won that market. This will not get me to buy a XB1 at all.
I think you're severely overstating that one.
That's a business deal that made fundamental sense though.
Sega had canceled the project as part of their wider pull-out from large scale console development, so they sold the assets and publishing rights to a publisher who wanted an extra core game.
Similarly, at least Dead Rising 3 seemed to be Microsoft helping out a somewhat troubled project from a troubled publisher, and was not a huge hit anyway.
Titanfall was a new IP that was a deeply troubled project that they helped fund over the finish line.
Here, I don't see much reason to believe the project is off the rails, and it's way outside the sales range you would conceivably want to do this for on the publisher's end.
It would be like Capcom making Resident Evil 7 an exclusive. That's the kind of sales volume we're looking at here (or more).
funkystudent
Member
This would be true if Sony was actually going out and securing 3rd party exclusives which they are not and havent in a very long time.
They probably should though. Sony not tossing money at 3rd party pubs is a bit of a weakness.
BronsonLee
Member
I'm not sure that's how it would go if Sony had bought the rights to Rise of the Tomb Raider and kept it off other platforms.
Since they didn't say XBox One exclusive, has to mean 360. MS is starting to get really specific with their wording. It's kind of annoying.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!
Cow Goes Moo
Member
yes it is cross gen
Triggerhappytel
Member
Ugh, what steaming hot bullshit. Spinning like this wins no fans. Just say MS offered a good deal and the option to work closely with a single console manufacturer will benefit the game.
I mean, I know Square Enix are terrible at business decisions, but this seems like a bad idea even by their standards. TR2013 was a big success, and they're now going to squander a lot of that and piss off a huge portion of the fanbase for a short term gain only.
Also, lol that a game releasing in late 2015 is going to be cross-gen. Why even fucking bother?!
CosmicGroinPull
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Is this a joke? I double dipped for TR on PS3 and 4...
TheOctodad
Member
This is right on.
I think Sunset Overdrive looks great and I'm sure the X1 will have other great games. I think exclusive games are a great thing.
But buying out other gamers and then keeping them from enjoying the games they've been playing is not a practice I will support.
FlyStarJay
Member
i am not buying that tomb raider temple game, will wait for ps+
Garrett Hawke
Member
I'm fuming rn. I have an XB1 and I'm going to not buy this out of spite. It's a multiplatform franchise and this is just...
gundamkyoukai
Member
It really does not make any sense at all , do really they think TR can go against UC ?
I think this just show how crazy Japanese companies are to tell the truth since they seem to like fucking up there IP.
Okay
Ghost Slayer
Member
Did Sony buy exclusively a game from another publisher in the past?
Well.....I'm sure the X1 still has SOME un-tapped power left to be used :l. I guess I'm just trying to find a positive here
.Mechanized
Member
Tomb Raider was one of my most favorite games of last gen. I can't believe this bullshit. I'm not buying another fucking console. There's not even going to be a PC version. This fucking sucks. Square Enix and MS can go fuck themselves.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
LMAO tell me you have a Xbox after all that 2013 Tomb Raider hyping you were doing
DustyVonEric
Member
May be a smart move for both parties.
You know Sony's going to push UC4 haaaard in 2015. TR has its fans; some feel it's better than UC. But it will get lost in the shuffle with gamers with less income, probably choosing to but it later. And cheaper.
It is a huge gamble though for CD. I mean, many who skipped over TR but played it on Plus would be amped for the new sequel. Square is really ok with missing out on those sales for a year or how ever long the exclusive deal lasts?
They better hope MS pushed the game hard to counter UC4. I mean, MS also has a new Halo coming in 2015, right?
You know Sony's going to push UC4 haaaard in 2015. TR has its fans; some feel it's better than UC. But it will get lost in the shuffle with gamers with less income, probably choosing to but it later. And cheaper.
It is a huge gamble though for CD. I mean, many who skipped over TR but played it on Plus would be amped for the new sequel. Square is really ok with missing out on those sales for a year or how ever long the exclusive deal lasts?
They better hope MS pushed the game hard to counter UC4. I mean, MS also has a new Halo coming in 2015, right?
I dunno, given the exclusives MS has thrown money at and the resultant non-existent bumps for the XB1 userbase, I think you're over-estimating MS's ability to predict what to throw money at to help their platform.
Exactly my thought on this.
In my opinion, it is like throwing money randomly for both MS and SQEX.
I prefer to see this budget go for a new studio title for MS instead.
Firstly, Tomb Raider Definitive Edition sells on PS4 almost doubled than XBO.
Secondly, that backlash from Tomb Raider fans might make XBO image even worst.
Sodding_Gamer
Member
Nailed it.
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Deleted member 125677
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Exclusives brings a certain interesting dynamic into the video game market, it would be so boring if all had the same stuff. And it brings some juice into NeoGAF threads as well This thread should be an interesting one to moderate
This thread should be an interesting one to moderateBlazingDarkness
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This is a straight up money hat though, it's not the same as something like Bloodborne in which Sony funds/helps development.
There's not many examples of Sony buying a third party title and preventing it from releasing on other consoles.
googleplex
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This is Microsoft paying to keep a game off other platforms. And make no mistake it woudl have come to PC and PS4 but MS made sure that won't happen.
But don't let things like context stop your console warz garbage.
CouldBeWorse
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That's the most disappointing part. Go full next gen.