There is no arbitrary line where beauty needs to stop advancing. It is beautiful; it could be more beautiful. No reason for it not to take advantage of the extra headroom.
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The Witcher 3: Brief Intervew Excerpts feat. Tales from OP's Arse
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There is no arbitrary line where beauty needs to stop advancing. It is beautiful; it could be more beautiful. No reason for it not to take advantage of the extra headroom.
They have already said that the game uses GPU Physx (not just Fur tech, which is Direct Compute) on PC.
This. I'd rather have 1080p with rock solid 30fps on PS4 than dips below that for some extra effects. The game looks brilliant already.
My bad. Mixed it up with the graphics effects.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Except for the fact that they don't have all the time in the world and the fact that the game is already beautiful. Is a "Not enough that I should succeed, others should fail" situation? When I put this in my ps4, i'm not gonna complain that the game looks like this.
And think to myself, "Man, if only this game was more beautiful than it is on xbox." And i'm not buying it for the visuals, gameplay comes first and foremost, and the gameplay looks awesome, visuals are just icing on the delicious cake that is witcher gameplay.
MagicWithEarvin
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Guess we can expect the same stance from CDP for their upcoming Cyberpunk 2077 game.
Why are we assuming there would be dips if they added more bells and whistles? It's possible there wouldn't be, that there's no need for the sacrifice they're making in the name of parity.
shacklesmcgee
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Not the best time for this to come out, the reaction will probably be way worse than any other time
lightchris
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The thread title might be is misleading some people. Both versions will be on par in terms of "specific graphical features". That doesn't mean the PS4 version won't run at a higher resolution and/or framerate as usual with multiplatform games.
So my guess is: ~900p vs. 1080p., similar performance. The PS4 doesn't have enough power for higher resolution and more details anyway (when both versions are equally optimized).
So my guess is: ~900p vs. 1080p., similar performance. The PS4 doesn't have enough power for higher resolution and more details anyway (when both versions are equally optimized).
KaiserBecks
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Which console uses nvidia technology? The PS4 will end up having a higher resolution and/or better framerate, which is the main benefit of its faster APU. There aren't any effects that the PS4 can do but Xbox One can't.
TheDrowningMan
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I don't really see anything wrong with that has been said - there won't be 'special' effects developed especially for one platform in mind (be it PS4, XB1 or PC), but that doesn't mean that some things won't have to be dialed down or removed completely on hardware that doesn't fit the bill.
Those jaggies. Hope they figure out what AA solution they want to use soon.
RedAssedApe
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I thought we were gonna be done with this type of bottleneck with the jump to current gen only. But I guess this is going to be the same situation except instead of 360/ps3 holding games back. It's going to be xbox one (to a lesser extent of course)
Guess it makes sense from a dev budget perspective but doesn't make it any less lame.
Guess it makes sense from a dev budget perspective but doesn't make it any less lame.
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
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Stratosphere
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PC it is then.
Psycho_Mantis
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Do you guys think this has to do with CDPR having a deal with MS. Witcher 3 being always shown at their conference, exclusive items, it seems they have a marketing deal going on.
I honestly don't even as a PS4 owner I just see it as a lot of devs will just keep it at framerate and resolution differences when they apply.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
No, i'm quite positive that this is just do to them not dedicating extra time to the different consoles and delivering the same consistent experience.
The thread title is not misleading at all. Go back and read the article.
nelsonroyale
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I think this just means they won't be adding additional visual features, I don't think res will be included within that bracket. I mean forced parity would be stupid and basically confirm that they have some special relationship with MS, something that would make little sense for the series since the PS4 is doing better.
Surprisingly, from some of the accounts I checked, nobody posted in this thread and that one. So I jumped the gun, I won't check again the morning, but I'm sure it'll be valid then, lmao.
cheezcake
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This thread is a perfect example of how a single inaccurate thread title can sully the name of a good developer and cause a fuckton of controversy over nothing.
It's 100% misleading. A lack of special graphical features for a particular system does not indicate parity at all. The vast majority of multiplats are already identical aside from dialing up of existing features. Better textures, anisotropic filtering, DoF, framerate, resolution are not special graphical features but that clearly doesn't mean Tomb Raider PS4 vs Tomb Raider X1 are at "parity"
It's 100% misleading. A lack of special graphical features for a particular system does not indicate parity at all. The vast majority of multiplats are already identical aside from dialing up of existing features. Better textures, anisotropic filtering, DoF, framerate, resolution are not special graphical features but that clearly doesn't mean Tomb Raider PS4 vs Tomb Raider X1 are at "parity"
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
I havent been on GAF for long, but this is pretty much 80% of the threads. Breaking apart PR pieces and having a massive overreactions over small things. Not even Sony is exempt from these overreactions.
I see your point but with a 40% higher res to render compared to the xbone the room for more effects at the same fps is rather small I guess. This isnt parity, PS4 already has a more stellar version. Parity would mean everything same on both.
I think that meme is banned here, so watch out.
Look at Tomb Raider Definitive Edition or other multiplatforms that don't differ only in resolution/framerate. Better DoF, AO, etc... They can do that. They chose not to, for the sake of parity. If XBO was more powerful console (or it was Sony that moneyhatted the game a bit) I'm sure CDP wouldn't mind making one console version prettier than the other.
If any game deserves to be bought at full price, it's this one.
Except that should mean making the game attractive for PS4 owners. Telling them effectively they aren't getting any improvements doesn't exactly make your game enticing. Whereas if you said eg PS4 would get 1080p and XB1 900p, then PS4 owners would be happy and I don't think you'd piss off Xbox owners they would be used to slightly different resolution for example. No need to force any kind of parity to placate Xbox users
lightchris
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justsomeguy
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Can anyone provide a list of cross-platform games that have had platform-specific effects added? (platform-specific effects as opposed to changes in resolution + frame rate)?
I don't think there are any, are there, unless you count different AA implementations between platforms.
I'm just reading this as "We won't be adding loads of specific GPGPU stuff on the PS4", "We won't be adding loads of Kinect voice commands", etc.
I don't think there are any, are there, unless you count different AA implementations between platforms.
I'm just reading this as "We won't be adding loads of specific GPGPU stuff on the PS4", "We won't be adding loads of Kinect voice commands", etc.
No platform specific effects etc , but I'll bet the resolution isn't the same between the 2.
Of course you won't hear that mentioned until the DF breakdown because of the marketing deal.
Parity = the state or condition of being equal
" How will CD Projek be taking advantage of the PS4′s unified GDDR5 memory architecture and whether they will be developing specific graphical features which they might have found to be possible only on the PS4?
We always want to provide the best possible experience to all our gamers regardless of the platform and so we are not aiming to develop special graphical features for any of them, Balazs Torok, Lead Engine Programmer said to GamingBolt."
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People stop thread title wining, if you have a problem with it, report it to the mod and let them decide and change it if they find it inappropriate or contradictory to the article or CDP Lead Engine Programmer's statement.
Lord of Castamere
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They're doing that though. They're making use of console specific gimmicks like the touchpad and smartglass. That was confirmed in the big leak.
justsomeguy
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cheezcake
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BF4 PS4 used HBAO, XB1 initially did not but it was patched in. Tomb Raider PS4 uses a higher quality DoF algorithm. That's all I can think of.
justsomeguy
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Meh, I was just trying to think of an xbox-specific thing... I guess that doesn't count as a graphical effect which was the context of the question in the OP. Poor example on my part.
can't think of any gfx effects the xbox is known for that the ps4 can't also do
Fahrenheit
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Besides higher resolution and AA what can the PS4 do the Xbox One can't? Not saying resolution and AA are not important (I play PC and along with 60fps hold both as the main reason I still play on PC). Can the PS4 handle a noticeable higher texture resolution? Draw distance? Particle effects? Even on PC I sometimes have trouble seeing the difference between medium and high in some titles.
Ya, I know. I just don't see them hitting 1080p on XB1.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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So frame rate will be horrible on both? Because it looked horrible on Xbox One.
GameAddict411
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Yeah, MS hard earned cash in the work. Improving the aa quality or resolution shouldn't be a problem, if I don't see any kind of improvement then I boycotting this.
justsomeguy
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Ooh that horse's leg looks rough :-/
cheezcake
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Architecture wise it has extra GPGPU capabilities, but its hardly reasonable to expect a multiplat developer the size of CDPR to heavily invest in creating new tech to take advantage of that. Especially when even Sony first party devs haven't seemed to be doing so yet.
The game is 6 months away from release. It's highly unlikely that the demo's framerate will be indicative of the final game's.
The game is still 6 months away from completion...
How dare Bloodborne have frame rate issues and tearing, preorder cancelled.
edit: ^ beaten
Vulcano's assistant
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Watch this thread also end with more pages than the one for the gameplay footage.
MMaRsu
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Yup. What the fuck ??
They don't need all the time in the world. They have a PC version that will have all the bells and whistles, and a PS4 with so much headroom that it can effortlessly produce a superior result without a massive amount of extra work.
I am buying it for the visuals. And I am buying it for the gameplay. The problem with people like you is you think there needs to be some trade off, or that one element must inherently be less important than the other. And you go around trying to justify shitty decisions in the most ridiculous way, simply because it's impossible for you to admit the only reason parity exists in this case is because they're intentionally holding back on making a superior product so that the other console gamers don't have their feelings hurt.
There's no other justification for it. I play games, not consoles. And I demand the best possible experience from my consoles, devs who choose not to do not get my money.
I will support the version they release which has no sacrifices, my PC.
Really? Shit, I genuinely didn't know. I'll remove it. Must have forgot or something, didn't remember that being banned at all.
hydrophilic attack
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Not aiming to develop special graphical features is not equal to parity. Getting stuff like higher resolution and framerates from superior hardware does not really need any large amount of effort.
I wonder if this was an honest mistake by OP (in which case they are not very bright) or whether OP was deliberately trying to stir shit up, in which case I would say they failed, as not a lot of people ITT seem to have taken the bait.
I wonder if this was an honest mistake by OP (in which case they are not very bright) or whether OP was deliberately trying to stir shit up, in which case I would say they failed, as not a lot of people ITT seem to have taken the bait.