EdibleKnife
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like no offense, but you're not this silly are you?I dunno what the situation was, ask them. Not saying their assumption was correct since it obviously wasn't, but if they thought she was a prostitute then she was under suspicion for a crime.
like no offense, but you're not this silly are you?
But cops don't get to detain you cause they think you might be up to no good. What's stoping them from detaining every person who is handed a brown paper bag because they think you're selling drugs? You need reasonable cause for suspicion. Kissing someone isn't that. Keep in mind California isn't a stop and ID state where they could possibly get away with doing that.I dunno what the situation was, ask them. Not saying their assumption was correct since it obviously wasn't, but if they thought she was a prostitute then she was under suspicion for a crime.
No, that's not how it works, just because the police said they thought she was a prostitute does not constitute reasonable suspicion that she was one. That is circular logic.
But cops don't get to detain you cause they think you might be up to no good. What's stoping them from detaining every person who is handed a brown paper bag? You need reasonable cause for suspicion. Kissing someone isn't that. Keep in mind California isn't a stop and ID state where they could possibly get away with doing that.
Her husband just let her get arrested?
I don't think it's reasonable, I'm just saying if they thought she was committing a crime then isn't that being under suspicion of committing a crime?
Which is a false comparison in the first place. If person X murders person Y for smiling, it doesn't mean that the freedom to walk is ironic.And the poster you quoted pointed out the irony of having one small freedom in the face of other more oppressive behaviors.
I don't see what the problem is. We have one side of the story and its fairly bare bones. You don't get the whole truth from one side.
What's he gonna do? Attack the cop and escalate an Already shitty situation?Her husband just let her get arrested?
I don't see what the problem is. We have one side of the story and its fairly bare bones. You don't get the whole truth from one side.
Not familiar with LAPD's history of racial problems?
But cops don't get to detain you cause they think you might be up to no good. What's stoping them from detaining every person who is handed a brown paper bag because they think you're selling drugs? You need reasonable cause for suspicion. Kissing someone isn't that. Keep in mind California isn't a stop and ID state where they could possibly get away with doing that.
Yea one of my Ex's was black and all the time we would walk to a local coffee place that was like 10 minutes away. She would never bring her ID because she had no need to. I could imagine the same thing happening to her and it would probably be a way bigger process because she isn't famousThe sad thing is things like this probably happen everyday and the only reason we're hearing about is because she is semi famous.
What's he gonna do? Attack the cop and escalate an Already shitty situation?
You want to equivocate and blame the victim for exercising her rights? Nah, fuck that.Opening your mind to a different viewpoint to learn? Nah, fuck that.
Her husband just let her get arrested?
You would be okay with ID checkpoints being set up? Everyone can just show their ID and go about their day quicker if they just comply.No, but if you are asked, everyone can go about their day quicker if you just comply. It's just an ID.
He may have and even if he did do you think the cops would have believed that?Sooooo, why didn't the husband simply tell the cops that she is his wife?
Sooooo, why didn't the husband simply tell the cops that she is his wife?
Sooooo, why didn't the husband simply tell the cops that she is his wife?
I don't think it's reasonable, I'm just saying if they thought she was committing a crime then isn't that being under suspicion of committing a crime?
I dunno what the situation was, ask them. Not saying their assumption was correct since it obviously wasn't, but if they thought she was a prostitute then she was under suspicion for a crime.
Sooooo, why didn't the husband simply tell the cops that she is his wife?
Her husband just let her get arrested?
Sooooo, why didn't the husband simply tell the cops that she is his wife?
According to Watts and her husband Brian James Lucas, Studio City police mistook the couple for a prostitute and john after they showed public displays of affection. Watts refused to show her ID to the cops, and was therefore handcuffed and seated in the back of their car until they could figure out who she was. They let her go quickly afterward.
Even in New York City where cops can literally stop and frisk you, all the times I been stopped, the officer usually says something along the "lines of someone just committed a robbery in the proximity and you match the physical description." That's reasonable cause for suspicion even if they just made that reason up and they don't even need to tell me that in this state.
Sooooo, why didn't the husband simply tell the cops that she is his wife?
This is circular logic. She is suspicious because she is being suspected? Why is she being suspected? Because she is suspicious. Why is she suspicious...,I don't think it's reasonable, I'm just saying if they thought she was committing a crime then isn't that being under suspicion of committing a crime?
I don't think she should have gotten handcuffed or anything, but what is the normal procedure for attempting to arrest a prostitute after making contact with someone? Aside from the person being someone the police have picked up before / someone being in a 'high traffic' area for prostitution, what reasoning do the cops have for ever detaining a possible prostitute?
That's still confusing to me. Not for this case in particular as she was just totally being harassed it seems, but in general. What's so great about not showing your ID? Telling me it's my right doesn't make me think "Oh wow. How glamorous that I can say no and make this much harder for both of us."
Like what's so bad about showing ID that people keep saying 'well, it's your right not to' as if that gives me any idea why I'd exercise that right when it seems like it can indeed become very inconvenient.
It seems like people are making it out to be a bigger right than it sounds like to me.
Her husband just let her get arrested?
I mean, these exist in the United States already. Sobriety checkpoints.You would be okay with ID checkpoints being set up? Everyone can just show their ID and go about their day quicker if they just comply.
I'm certain the husband would've which brings up an interesting point in that the cops had to assume the husband was lying to them as well also based on absolutely no proof whatsoever. It's crazy
What was he going to do?
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Also, comparisons to the California Police Force and Nazi Germany are over the top hyperbole.
From the questions that he asked me as D was already on her phone with her dad, I could tell that whoever called on us (including the officers), saw a tatted RAWKer white boy and a hot bootie shorted black girl and thought we were a HO (prostitute) & a TRICK (client).
Because of my past experience with the law, I gave him my ID knowing we did nothing wrong and when they asked D for hers, she refused to give it because they had no right to do so.
How do they normally catch prostitutes without undercover officers? Like can they? What evidence do they have for that anyway unless they catch the act?
Also, aren't they allowed to detain someone for a number of hours without charging them?
Again, it seems clear that in this case the officers didn't actually have a good reason to stop her, but I'm curious in general how this works in their heads anyway.
I mean, was there an exchange of money? If not then you might wanna hold off and wait for more evidence to present itself.I don't think it's reasonable, I'm just saying if they thought she was committing a crime then isn't that being under suspicion of committing a crime?
I don't think she should have gotten handcuffed or anything, but what is the normal procedure for attempting to arrest a prostitute after making contact with someone? Aside from the person being someone the police have picked up before / someone being in a 'high traffic' area for prostitution, what reasoning do the cops have for ever detaining a possible prostitute?
Fucking racists man,smh. I can't believe people.From her husband's Facebook:
So I guess someone called the police on them.
Cause who lies to the cops right.. Cops were just asshats, or maybe next to that McDs is a high prostitute zone.. who knows.
That's not what was happening in the thread. The question of "why not just show your ID?" came up which naturally leads to the "show me your papers" comparison. In the US, we're not required to have our documentation on us at all times.