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Institutional Racism: The continued war on Black America

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How do you change this?

Free education for everyone.
Free healthcare for everyone.
Free job training for everyone.

In this scenario, when everyone has an equal start point, or roughly equal start point then it becomes the actions of the individual to show what their worth is. This is where those who have the drive/ambition/talent really shine. If the system current prevents people from being able to develop that drive/ambition/talent then you're artificially making people worthless.

This goes hand in hand with upwards mobility. Countries with high upwards mobility have free education and free healthcare, because it levels the playing field so that the individual can actually work towards a better future. Capitalism is great, but too much capitalism becomes a detriment.
 

Pau

Member
That's pretty cynical, but even if you're right (and I think everyone should read and toss ideas back and forth over the issues minorities are dealing with) what suggestions would you make toward trying to get those who need to understand this stuff reading/learning about these things?
It needs to be taught starting early in school. None of this feel good "We beat racism in the 1960's" bullshit. Considering the state of the public education system in the United States, that probably won't happen.
 

Coins

Banned
In this scenario, when everyone has an equal start point, or roughly equal start point then it becomes the actions of the individual to show what their worth is. This is where those who have the drive/ambition/talent really shine. If the system current prevents people from being able to develop that drive/ambition/talent then you're artificially making people worthless.

This goes hand in hand with upwards mobility. Countries with high upwards mobility have free education and free healthcare, because it levels the playing field so that the individual can actually work towards a better future. Capitalism is great, but too much capitalism becomes a detriment.

Educated people will have value regardless of how well they "shine". Educated people can be used to further other peoples wealth. Sure, the driven can catapult themselves further ahead, but then they will be the ones to exploit the value in the educated masses. These wealthy people will then view the less wealthy as less valuable, which is what we have today, and is a problem for another thread to discuss, but at least everyone would be on the same playing field.
 
Amazing collection of statistics in the first post. Though its controversial, would re-iterate my contention that the most destructive form of racism (or bias) is that perpetrated by the government. When the government is racist or biased against its own citizens, it gives racist individuals the social legitimization they require to be racist. If the government turns its back (or even allows government officials to participate in) a lynching, then lynchers will feel as though their actions are legitimated by society and acceptable. If the government maintains a policy of apartheid, whites and minorities will see themselves as separate and unequal.

Post the Civil War, I think the most powerful mechanism for improving the condition of minorities in America have been the prohibitions on segregation (though as Amirox stated, we still have segregated schools- I'll get to that in a second). When segregation ended in the 50's, 60's, and 70's, it forced white Americans to confront their own stereotypes and treat black Americans as though they were their peers. Whites who had previously no interaction with blacks came to understand that African Americans simply sought the same things they did. Whites (most of them) came to understand- at least nominally, that black Americans were their equals in every aspect that mattered, and that differences in culture tended not to matter greatly.

The most important integration mechanism the government wielded to (unwittingly) cut down the majority of racism in America was public school integration. Integration at schools forced the aforementioned confrontation across all aspects of society at the earliest levels of development. By growing up in integrated schools, many white children could observe that their black peers could be just as intelligent and smart as they were even if their parents were racists. Those that went on to attend integrated colleges would come to understand this even further, by studying alongside some of the greatest minds in the African American community.

Public school integration was the most important anti-racism policy because it killed the "weed" at its developmental roots. Integrated schools offered a counter argument to the racism spouted by parents in the home. Thus, as each generation passes, racism generally will be reduced as white students are normalized to the existence of African Americans as peers within their own world- and not as a people separated from themselves.

That is- if we continue public school integration as a policy, which we're not. It is becoming very difficult to enforce integration today as a policy. The Supreme Court conservatives (all but one of whom are white) believe that racism is basically over and that we should not consider race a factor in anything, even if it is clearly to the benefit of society. Public school integration is very difficult to enact because power white suburbanites despise bussing, and conservatives can easily frame the issue as "black liberals want to trade schools with your kids." And the Supreme Court's rejection of race as a legitimate consideration forces administrators to use generic stats like the poverty rate to attempt to integrate schools.

However, the greatest problem with public schooling as a system in this country is the idea of "school districts" and the idea of a local school board. These are policies from the 19th century, and should be disposed with. There needs to be an administrative hierarchy beginning at the federal government, to the state, to the local municipality that runs education. The federal government should enact goals regarding the level of racial, income, and geographic diversity at the school, standards for academic progress, and general lesson plans. This would get rid of Texas' and Mississippi's bullshit about why we had the Civil War and other incidents of racial strife, enfoce integration as a uniform norm across the entire country, and enact uniform standards for all schools (no more "soft bigotry of low expectations").

As someone will eventually point out in this thread, I've argued theoretically that we could relax anti segregation laws on private business in relation to public accommodations, but (as I've said before) that it would have to be done in such a way that all Americans could access quality services. For example: if you had a bake shop, and it were the only bake shop in the entire municipality, you would be required to serve everyone. If there were a myriad of bake shops throughout the municipality, and minorities had relatively easy access to them, then I would be okay in allowing you to discriminate. Hotels, banks, restaurants, large department stores, and other such institutions that are critical to the functioning of society would not be able to discriminate. Of course, parsing out the different business types in a practical fashion would be very difficult, and would require significant change in our current societal feelings on this issue. I doubt that will happen, and I guess I find the status-quo to be acceptable.

I say this because I consider it incredibly hypocritical in a society that holds private ownership so dear, that in this, (and only this) instance that private entities are required by the federal government to do something for the benefit of society- whereas in a shitload of other instances, the federal government is not allowed to enact blanket regulations for private entities. If the government allowed to enforce integration across the entire public sector for the "general welfare" of society, why not in other areas? Now, if someone is willing (perhaps in another thread) to discuss with me altering the entire concept of private ownership in the country to a more "collective" understanding of ownership, and I would be happy to do so (and would argue on the side of collectivism). But if we're going to have private ownership in this country, we might as well have it or not. Not some hypocritical in-between construction we have now.
 

XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
We're approaching the 150 year anniversary of the end of the US Civil War. 50 years ago we were in the middle of the civil rights movement. I truly wonder how long it's going to take for our society to figure this out properly. :/
 
well, I'm hispanic living in NYC ( Dominican ) and I've never had any negative encounter with Law enforcement. I do realize not everyone is lucky as me but i don't believe every single officer is out to get you like some believe. Granted they are bad cops just like you have shitty co-workers at any other job, that can be racists, psychos, etc.

Law enforcement is not an easy job and every move you make/action will be under scrutiny and certain citizens ( not all ) when stopped start getting all defensive ( aggressive at times annoyed at being stopped ) ,questioning,cursing, you name it and don't cooperate. Cops and citizens alike aren't free of blame.

Community leaders that speak the truth and call for change are needed. But guys like Al Sharpton instead of talking so negative all the time ( he does have good arguments at times ) try saying some positive since people gravitate towards you in the eyes of some you are charismatic so you use that power correctly.

Then you got shit cops who join the force that come from the middle of nowhere trying to work in the city and get easily spooked when dealing with African Americans, Latinos, and other backgrounds. They don't have the verbal nor interpersonal skills to deal with the melting pot that is NYC. Discretion is a key factor when you're an officer and should be used properly and not try to arrest people over pitty shit just to fill up your Quota.

Personally at times it all comes down to you're own personal values, morals and beliefs. Family plays a huge role in erasing negative preconceived notions that could determine your overall persona. All i can say a lot of cops ( not all of them ) lack interpersonal skills and need to learn how to address citizens because a first encounter with a cop can determine your overall view on them as whole.

Finally, I want to be involved in some capacity in Law enforcement but i don't want to be NYPD. i always wanted to do something with community affairs and try to interact with people on a personal level and not just look at them as stats in a hotspot zone. I dread at the fact that i have to at least do 2 years there in order to apply somewhere else, since most Law enforcement jobs require at least two years of experience in the field. I go to criminal justice school and i've always emphasized that just because you're part of an institution doesn't mean you have to turn into some robotic cop. Treat people like you want to be treated with respect, dignity and compassion. These are just my two cents.
 

Mononoke

Banned
We're approaching the 150 year anniversary of the end of the US Civil War. 50 years ago we were in the middle of the civil rights movement. I truly wonder how long it's going to take for our society to figure this out properly. :/

How long has racism been an issue in society?

I mean historically speaking before the modern Western world. Is it something prevalent in basic human societal group behavior (ie. the majority doesn't treat the minority as equals)? I genuinely don't know the history of racism past the last 200 years.
 

Piecake

Member
How long has racism been an issue in society?

I mean historically speaking before the modern Western world. Is it something prevalent in basic human societal group behavior (ie. the majority doesn't treat the minority as equals)? I genuinely don't know the history of racism past the last 200 years.

http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-02-01.htm

Racism really took off during the 1820-40s. Abolitionists in the North were calling slavery evil and slaveowners sinners. Likely as a result of this, slave owner justification for slavery changed from a necessary evil that will hopefully go away in time (yea right - Jefferson held this view) to a view that slavery was a positive good because blacks were too stupid to rule them themselves and needed whites to guide them (John C Calhoun is the most famous politician who exposed this BS)
 

Derwind

Member
I'd like to see this too.

All based on my experience:

For 1st Nations people, probably the same.
For Black Canadians it largely depends on region from what I hear from friends.

I live on Vancouver Island and one of my friends who is black from the deep south US told me it took a lot of time for him to come to terms with the fact racism isn't the issue it is down there. It took time to adjust to realize when shopping if an employee asks "if you need help", they are actually offering help, not being pulled over for black and driving, etc etc.
Another friend from Jamaica told me in Toronto, shit was bad for him and on par with Northern US states; However in BC people are far more accepting.

Nah, I'm working in Northern Alberta, Fort Mac, racism is easier to spot here.
 

Amir0x

Banned
Nova Scotia is sometimes disparagingly called "The Mississippi of the North" due to the discrimination there so it definitely exists, and there are definitely statistics that support that there is some institutional racism, albeit nowhere near as insanely integrated as in the USA.
 

Mononoke

Banned
http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-02-01.htm

Racism really took off during the 1820-40s. Abolitionists in the North were calling slavery evil and slaveowners sinners. Likely as a result of this, slave owner justification for slavery changed from a necessary evil that will hopefully go away in time (yea right - Jefferson held this view) to a view that slavery was a positive good because blacks were too stupid to rule them themselves and needed whites to guide them (John C Calhoun is the most famous politician who exposed this BS)

Interesting, thanks for the link.
 

Derwind

Member
Nova Scotia is sometimes disparagingly called "The Mississippi of the North" due to the discrimination there so it definitely exists, and there are definitely statistics that support that there is some institutional racism, albeit nowhere near as insanely integrated as in the USA.

Actually I work with an older black Scotian, the history isn't exactly flattering towards the Canadian image of equality.
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
No time to properly respond just now, but I just wanted to say good job on the thread Amir0x.
 
Nah, I'm working in Northern Alberta, Fort Mac, racism is
easier to spot here.

I don't think I understand the "Nah". Fort Mac is in Alberta, not BC?

My posts wasn't meant to be a rule or even to suggest something as dense as racism doesn't exist in BC, let alone in Canada.

Just so we're on the same page, I was relating the things I have been shared by friends who are black. All I know are the experiences I have had myself, or been apart of the discussion as relates to my friends, and only on my Island.
I don't pretend to imply those are the experiences of any other black person. And I mean no offense but only to contribute to the discussion.
 
http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-02-01.htm

Racism really took off during the 1820-40s. Abolitionists in the North were calling slavery evil and slaveowners sinners. Likely as a result of this, slave owner justification for slavery changed from a necessary evil that will hopefully go away in time (yea right - Jefferson held this view) to a view that slavery was a positive good because blacks were too stupid to rule them themselves and needed whites to guide them (John C Calhoun is the most famous politician who exposed this BS)
That's an outstanding synopsis.
 

Amir0x

Banned
I wanted to quickly re-highlight this statistic graph from my OP:

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Because there's a very unfortunate statement we can take from this, that would also make for a good way to summarize to the general public how bad it is.

Black America is in a permanent depression.

We look at the country and go "ohh golly, it's 5.6% unemployment, things are getting better!" And then Black Americans look at any day, ever, in the history of this country and go: "Welp, we're still fucked."
 
How do you guys deal with the people who call us "race-baiters" and "Always playing the race card"?

Cause I genuinely believe some of the people I interact with come from a position of just ignorance rather than genuine malice. Now obviously some are too far gone to be educated or even want to continue their own implicit biases or even outright racism, but I do want to educate the ones who I think have a chance of seeing the truth
 

Mesoian

Member
This is kind of a shitty video, but I am legit tired of this every time I enter the same space as someone else who isn't my race.

I went shopping in Quincy Market today after putting in a few last minute hours at work. Two stores tried to usher me out because "we don't have sweat suits for women", even though they're right there, and "No yeah, that's 85 dollars, you're probably not interested" even though, upon closer inspection, it was fucking 25.

I am a large man with dreadlocks who's race is difficult to determine upon a two second gaze. Everyone treats me like I am the most dangerous thing on the streets.

I'm not going to rob you. Just sell me these two things so I can fucking close out my Christmas shopping and never set foot in your pithy fucking store for the rest of my life.

How do you guys deal with the people who call us "race-baiters" and "Always playing the race card"?

Cause I genuinely believe some of the people I interact with come from a position of just ignorance rather than genuine malice. Now obviously some are too far gone to be educated or even want to continue their own implicit biases or even outright racism, but I do want to educate the ones who I think have a chance of seeing the truth

"You are not worth having this conversation."
 

Derwind

Member
I don't think I understand the "Nah". Fort Mac is in Alberta, not BC?

My posts wasn't meant to be a rule or even to suggest something as dense as racism doesn't exist in BC, let alone in Canada.

Just so we're on the same page, I was relating the things I have been shared by friends who are black. All I know are the experiences I have had myself, or been apart of the discussion as relates to my friends, and only on my Island.
I don't pretend to imply those are the experiences of any other black person. And I mean no offense but only to contribute to the discussion.

There wasn't any meaning to the use of 'Nah'. I apologize if I offended, the intended effect in my phrasing was off.

I'm just trying to contribute to the thread like everyone else.
 

Xe4

Banned
If three things were done the amount of institutionalized racism would go down significantly.
1. Ending the war on drugs.
2. Police Reform
3. Education about respecting different races at a young age.

1 and 2 I could see "easily" happening, and already is happening, albeit far too slowly. The third will never happen, republicans would have a field day with it.

Finally, and this is something I've always pondered; especially concerning unemployment statistics, I wonder how much of it is institutionalized racism and how much of it is the fact that black people tend to be poor. Children of the impoverished tend to have a higher unemployment rate, and this can lead to a vicious cycle that I am afraid the black and hispanic community is stuck in.

I wonder if there are any studies that quantify these effects, what percentage of unemployment is really due to institutional racism and what percentage is due to a failing school system/economic system. I tried to look them up, but I couldn't find any.
 

Amir0x

Banned
If three things were done the amount of institutionalized racism would go down significantly.
1. Ending the war on drugs.
2. Police Reform
3. Education about respecting different races at a young age.

1 and 2 I could see "easily" happening, and already is happening, albeit far too slowly. The third will never happen, republicans would have a field day with it.

Finally, and this is something I've always pondered; especially concerning unemployment statistics, I wonder how much of it is institutionalized racism and how much of it is the fact that black people tend to be poor. Children of the impoverished tend to have a higher unemployment rate, and this can lead to a vicious cycle that I am afraid the black and hispanic community is stuck in.

I wonder if there are any studies that quantify these effects, what percentage of unemployment is really due to institutional racism and what percentage is due to a failing school system/economic system. I tried to look them up, but I couldn't find any.

There's also mandatory minimum sentencing laws to deal with, access to higher education, etc.

There's so much to be fixed :(

As for a study that qualifies which is which, I'm not sure I've seen that. Mostly because much of these issues are intertwined to a degree where fixing the problems are necessary to even begin being able to tell that.
 
There wasn't any meaning to the use of 'Nah'. I apologize if I offended, the intended effect in my phrasing was off.

I'm just trying to contribute to the thread like everyone else.

Not a problem at all, I just didn't understand the "Nah" is all. I thought it was to mean I was wrong, and like you I don't want to offend anyone either. I guess that's why I overly explained myself so to be sure not to discount anyone's experiences.

Edit: Sorry everyone, I don't mean to derail the discussion.
 

Xe4

Banned
There's also mandatory minimum sentencing laws to deal with, access to higher education, etc.

There's so much to be fixed :(

As for a study that qualifies which is which, I'm not sure I've seen that. Mostly because much of these issues are intertwined to a degree where fixing the problems are necessary to even begin being able to tell that.

True. At least some things are getting better, Crack Cocaine now doesn't give you a 100 times the sentence of regular cocaine.
It only gives you 18 times the sentence now.
 

Piecake

Member
How do you guys deal with the people who call us "race-baiters" and "Always playing the race card"?

Cause I genuinely believe some of the people I interact with come from a position of just ignorance rather than genuine malice. Now obviously some are too far gone to be educated or even want to continue their own implicit biases or even outright racism, but I do want to educate the ones who I think have a chance of seeing the truth

Well, this method might take awhile, but I think you should take racism and any other highly contentious and controversial topics off the table, and instead try to inform them how structures and institutions influence behavior, choice, and actions.

I thought this was a good quote in another thread

Well, to be fair to him, if he doesn't think structural/institutional racism is real, then he's probably comparing personal responsibility to (what he sees as) blaming others.

If a person does not know how or does not believe that structures and institutions influence behaviors and actions, all it is going to come down to is personal responsibility and blaming others. If after all of that education, the person you are trying to teach still doesnt get it, that person might simply be too simple-minded or prefer living in a simple reality where everything has clear-cut answers.
 

Lord Error

Insane For Sony
I find it strange that I've only become aware of these issues thanks to threads on GAF similar to this one, a five or so years ago. Granted, I was born and spent most of my life in Eastern Europe, and then moved to Canada, so issues specific to US are not entirely in my focus. However, you'd think somewhere somehow these issues would be brought to light more in mainstream media, and I wouldn't have to resort to a more or less underground channels to learn something like this. It's downright scary seeing something like this exposed so clearly, and it's even scarier how it seems to be brushed under the rug.

An optimist in me thinks that the only reason media is brushing this under the rug is because everyone is just waiting for the old guard to die off, and new generations born into hopefully more and more equality, won't be thinking about these issues this way, so the issue would gradually disappear. But even if true, that doesn't help the matters today, and the matters seem worse than I think most people realize.
 
I don't think it's as much the media brushing it under the rug as it is that it's hard for people to care. How do you visibly and appreciably change something like this? A black guy is president and things are awful for blacks and by some metrics even worse than before.

the issues are so systemic that it's easy to feel helpless against it. even for white people that want it to change.

ultimately voting alone won't solve the issues, and the alternatives aren't agreed upon not polite to talk about. So what to do is a difficult question.
 

Lime

Member
I don't think it's as much the media brushing it under the rug as it is that it's hard for people to care. How do you visibly and appreciably change something like this? A black guy is president and things are awful for blacks and by some metrics even worse than before.

the issues are so systemic that it's easy to feel helpless against it. even for white people that want it to change.

ultimately voting alone won't solve the issues, and the alternatives aren't agreed upon not polite to talk about. So what to do is a difficult question.

Just some suggestions off the top of my head:

1. Donate or help if you have the possibility
2. Use your platform to help others (or give others your platform)
3. Call out symptoms of white supremacy (if properly identified) or create safe spaces
4. Vote accordingly
5. Take local action or talk to your workplace/education/organization about ensuring ways to curb systemic injustices
 
A wealth gap does not show if there is a hidden war against a certain race or group of people nor does higher incarceration rates.

What we see is that the more in poverty groups, such as Latino and Blacks, have a higher likelihood of imprisonment and a reason for that would be because when people are so down on their luck they will do bad things to get by. What needs to happen is as stated by other posters, free education, training and healthcare. These things will put many people on a level playing field which will mean your outcome in life will have a lot to do with your own personal responsibility.
 

Biker19

Banned
Statistics here are the type of thing White America needs to grasp just how insane it is for Black America. Black America doesn't need them, though, they live it. As you say, from your own experiences, there's no need for numbers charted on a graph... if you walk down and get beaten by cops for no reason, the anger is going to bubble to the surface. It's injustice!(

I agree. We certainly don't need the US at all!
 

Forceatowulf

G***n S**n*bi
Yeah, the one thing that always gets me is the fact that even though I have a HS diploma, as well as a college education, I am about as desirable on the job market as a White guy who never finished school and never stepped foot in a university. Utterly. Fucked. Up.

This is the type of shit I try to explain to people during race debates in real life. How we do not live in a meritocracy, and that people of color don't get to begin their race at the starting mark of a 100 meter dash. We have to start 20 meters behind. But some don't want to hear it. They just think you're simply slower than them and are making excuses. So pull up those boot straps, son, and shut the fuck up.

Shit kills me.
 
A wealth gap does not show if there is a hidden war against a certain race or group of people nor does higher incarceration rates.

What we see is that the more in poverty groups, such as Latino and Blacks, have a higher likelihood of imprisonment and a reason for that would be because when people are so down on their luck they will do bad things to get by. What needs to happen is as stated by other posters, free education, training and healthcare. These things will put many people on a level playing field which will mean your outcome in life will have a lot to do with your own personal responsibility.

Posting that bullshit video shows you don't even care

FOH
 
Posting that bullshit video shows you don't even care

FOH

Man, that video is so laughable. Sometimes I wonder if people actually believe others live in the hood, ghettos, impoverished areas because they want to. That they "fuck around in these streets" because that's just who they are. No one fucking lives in areas of poverty because they want to and if you look at low income neighbourhoods in pretty much any place in the world that's where the most crime occurs because those conditions promote it. Personal responsibility is important but how long are people gonna yell personal responsibility and not condemn the laws, conditions and system that pushes people to commit crime? The statistics all show the whole bootstraps, pull yourself out of poverty mentality doesn't fucking work so what are people even suggesting?
 

Apt101

Member
Killing Stop and Frisk would be a good first step. Seeing how in New York, a person can carry weed on them, if they don't take it out, yet if a cop forces a person to take out the weed, it becomes a crime then. That's pretty fucked up when these stops are usually focused on blacks.

But yeah, ending the Drug War would go a long way. To really have an impact though, people need to realize our criminal justice system is built to be extremely racist. If we, as a society, ignore this, the system will find a new way to punish non-whites.

Also, I appreciate you made this thread, Amir0x.

This post pretty much nails the foundation of the issue. Many of the practices of law enforcement target minorities, blacks moreso than any other, and that is what needs to change. It's broad, seemingly out of control, and is going to take sweeping legislation to change.

As a half-white, half-Asian young adult male who is largely identified as Asian by those in power (employers, educators, law enforcement, even auditors), but with a very white-sounding name, I recognize that I have an incredible amount of privilege in American society. It provides me chances at insight on how others are "looked down upon" by these institutions - for lack of better terminology. From being given chances at advanced classes in high school that prepared me better for college, to employers granting me interviews sight unseen, to cops basically ignoring me regardless of my dress or demeanor or how loud my music is or whatever. I'm not sure how we can even begin to fix that. It runs deep and is empowered by old stereotypes. But I can say that what empowers it even more is the institutionalized racism that pretty much prevents many others from the same freedoms I'm granted just by being me.

I have five nephews and one niece who are half black. One of them was gifted with brilliance and overcame a lot to succeed, and now even works for Microsoft in Redmond at a young age. For the rest, these are the things I worry about for them. While out at the mall last week I had to have a talk with my second-oldest nephew about police. One of my black friends helped out. Namely, how he needs to basically deal with them differently than his white friends. They run around selling weed, having fun, doing whatever, and if they're caught they'll get a slap on the wrist and be considered some kind of tragic victim. But you, nephew, you'll be fucked. It's terrible that I even had to have that conversation with him. But that's the world we live in.
 
Finally, and this is something I've always pondered; especially concerning unemployment statistics, I wonder how much of it is institutionalized racism and how much of it is the fact that black people tend to be poor. Children of the impoverished tend to have a higher unemployment rate, and this can lead to a vicious cycle that I am afraid the black and hispanic community is stuck in.

I'm pretty sure the the black community is poor because of institutionalized racism. Slavery was institutionalized racism. Segregation was institutionalized racism. For about 340 years in the United States and over 400 years in the Americas, black people were either enslaved or segregated in the Americas. The toll that takes on a community's ability to build and retain wealth is drastic. Moreover, the entire societal system is organized against this community, making a state of poverty the norm. It's amazing the more black people aren't in poverty to me. We know from research that a state of poverty begets a state of poverty. This is why it is important to provide free education, healthcare, food, and perhaps even an income to these people so they can rise out of it. Very few people want to be "on the dole." Most just want to be self sufficient (and even if some do, we shouldn't let those people ruin the opportunity for the majority).

In addition, income inequality is a huge problem for America generally, but it's even more pronounced for black Americans because we're more likely to be paid less than our white counterparts. It is critical that we (black Americans, and Americans generally) should dispense with this notion that income inequality is some kind of "natural" result of our economy. This is false. During some of America's most prosperous years in the 50's and 60's, income inequality was much lower. We should be demanding that we get paid our due in every job we work. Just because your company is able to improve efficiency and employ fewer workers doesn't mean the owners of that company should earn windfall profits. Employees are due some of those gains as well.
 
I like how Jon Stewart put it.

It seems that being critical of police behavior and misconduct = an ideological hatred for police.

Jon Stewart made the point of saying, "Having a high regard and respect for the work of the police and wishing to hold them to a higher standard are not two mutually exclusive things"

Unfortunately, recognizing institutionalized racism and saying that the police can get out of line means you hate all cops in people's eyes.
 
Just some suggestions off the top of my head:

1. Donate or help if you have the possibility
2. Use your platform to help others (or give others your platform)
3. Call out symptoms of white supremacy (if properly identified) or create safe spaces
4. Vote accordingly
5. Take local action or talk to your workplace/education/organization about ensuring ways to curb systemic injustices

1. Most affected are poor and unable to contribute. I'm too poor to do anything. Also, the wealthier you are the more likely you're going to be satisfied with the status quo.

2. Do most really have a "platform"?

3. Please elaborate.

4. For most people, voting accomplishes nothing. Districts are so gerrymandered that incumbents almost never lose. who is President doesn't seem to matter, as evidenced by the fact that blacks are worse if on many metrics under black Dem Obama.

5. Again, many don't have the job security where your can bring up racism and major political issues and not face serious repercussions. As far as education, we talked about the de facto segregation in schools. How do you address the issue without making the one or two black kids in your class the spokespersons for an entire race?



It's easy to be incredibly disenfranchised. I'm not saying there's nothing to do about it but I was originally addressing why the news doesn't cover it extensively.
 
Posting that bullshit video shows you don't even care

FOH

Gotta love it. Find a random black person who agrees with your warped view, and parade his opinion because he's one of the 'good ones' in your eyes and as such is apparently the fucking spokesperson for black people.
 
I don't need stats to tell me what I've lived. I've been accused of stealing my own bike when I was a teen. I've been beatup by cops and dumped in a hospital (with no arrest report) when I visited Dallas. I've also been arrested on bogus charges that later got dismissed. Racism is alive and real. I never experienced racism until I came to the US, and it'll never make sense to me. Where I came from, blacks are in the majority. So you can imagine, I feel some kinda way about this. PEACE.

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idk, with those eyes it looks like your giving me the look of a demon.

A wealth gap does not show if there is a hidden war against a certain race or group of people nor does higher incarceration rates.

What we see is that the more in poverty groups, such as Latino and Blacks, have a higher likelihood of imprisonment and a reason for that would be because when people are so down on their luck they will do bad things to get by. What needs to happen is as stated by other posters, free education, training and healthcare. These things will put many people on a level playing field which will mean your outcome in life will have a lot to do with your own personal responsibility.

Oh god not that video again. Hey guys, it's not a race issue, we found a black dude who says so.
 

DietRob

i've been begging for over 5 years.
Very informative OP Ami.

My two teenage kids are mixed. They are both on the darker side of the color spectrum. It really saddens me that strictly because of that they will undoubtedly not receive the same treatment that their pasty white dad gets. I've already needed to have 'the talk' about how to conduct themselves around the police. That was difficult because I couldn't speak from experience but it's something I had to do.

I try to educate myself as much as possible about the hardships in life that they might face due to the pigment in their skin. It's incredibly sad we are still at this place in american society with no real answers on how to move forward.
 

kiriin

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I don't need stats to tell me what I've lived. I've been accused of stealing my own bike when I was a teen. I've been beatup by cops and dumped in a hospital (with no arrest report) when I visited Dallas. I've also been arrested on bogus charges that later got dismissed. Racism is alive and real. I never experienced racism until I came to the US, and it'll never make sense to me. Where I came from, blacks are in the majority. So you can imagine, I feel some kinda way about this. PEACE.

The problem is not everyone is aware or pay attention to most statistical evidence shown regarding institutionalized descrimination toward certain minorities. The whole point is to present the discourse of large scale of inequality and why it an issue. It sad but there are always people who are surprised when they see stastics similar to the above.
 

Furyous

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There isn't a fix for this because America will never care about the plight of African-Americans. It gets swept under the rug next to the history of Native-Americans. Let's talk about it since we're here. We're in the era of entitled ____ male privilege. Everyone lost their minds at the beginning of 2009. Shit went south again in the fall of 2012.

The start of the recession gave us a litmus test of different responses to impending crisis. College graduates of some backgrounds were told the system failed them whereas others particularly African-Americans were told it was their fault for not earning the education necessary. Keep in mind these statements were made at commencement ceremonies. Let that sink in for a second then chew on the fact that this generation of young African-Americans did our job as far as obtaining education. We became the most educated ethnic group in the country in both genders but that doesn't matter because stats show our education is worthless in this economy.

Now that's out the way, I'll talk about my experiences with institutional racism. I lived in an area in Cleveland, Ohio that few people make it out of without dying or getting caught up in the street life. People were doing their best to survive in an economy without jobs and lack of resources to achieve success. The crime rate was high because people had to commit crime to survive. Remember, we're looked down upon whenever we take government aid but the other people are pitied/helped so there's that. I had to basically sell my soul and remove myself from that situation. Most people don't have that option and even if they did they wouldn't take it because it's a solitary path. For reference, I went to mixed kindergarten, elementary, and middle schools before going to all black high school.

For me institutional racism is a system setup to disenfranchise people of color. They tell you when you're growing up to work, go to college, graduate then get married. My main issue heading into college was I had to fight to survive whereas these other people grew up in sitcoms. There was a fundamental disconnect in approaches to interactions based on upbringing. In other words, there was jack shit I could do to mitigate the prejuidices and biases apparent in people from the second I got there unbeknownst to me at the time. I graduated but that experience always stuck with me.

I had a gun drawn on me by two cops on a frat house lawn for reaching for my wallet. Imagine if those cops were as trigger happy as police today. I purchased an old car and was on my way home. I stopped at a stop sign as a cop made a left turn, got behind me, and pulled me over after I crossed the intersection. He did this because he thought I was going to skip the stop sign. I laughed at him and he laughed back because we knew he was bullshitting me. A female police officer accused me of reckless driving after I was t-boned by an F-450 in my small Toyota Camry. She legit tried to have me thrown in jail but luckily my lawyer ate the case and got me off. I won't even get into the black male white woman consensual sex turned into alleged rape fuckery. <---- Not saying anyone fabricated anything at all.

In closing, there is nothing we can do about this. I can't change generations of conditioning. Doing everything we're told to do doesn't work. These people still hate us for reasons we have nothing to do with. Black lives don't matter and our children don't have the same innocence everyone else does. Even the Presidents daughters aren't allowed to be children. Maybe we're free in death from the shackles of modern day whatever this is. At the moment we do what we can to survive, eek out a living, and leave behind a path for someone else to achieve success.
 
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