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[Flintty]

I don't think the point is to say "Fuck Yeah France" or "France is awesome"

Lol only at NeoGAF can every damn statement or sentence be challenged. Not that I specifically said they were saying "Fuck yeah France", I'm interested to know what your interpretation of flag waving/anthem singing is and also what the meaning and value of patriotism is?

 

[Kinokou]

A direct menace on Western civilization and in a society that it was safe in the past tens of years versus an area were death is a daily business. People feel stronger about their own security and deaths than others'. It's the human nature.

And there have been protest supporting the Palestinians in Europe in the past.

Edit: good for you that you care for all humans equally. Do you march for all the deaths in the world?

I wouldn't even say in the past when it comes to marching for Palestine, there were lots of that last year.

Edit: I stepped in the salad again, this (removed) point was misplaced.

 

[BaronLundi]

As nice as this is for the families of the fallen, it won't make a difference to those that might commit these awful acts.


I also have to ask what the difference is between these murdered journalists and the 17 murdered in Gaza last year.

Is it because they aren't western or white?



As much as my heart bleeds for the dead and their families and the awful circumstances of their demise I just feel these campaigns and marches etc highlight a core hypocrisy at the heart of it all, some lives mean more than others.

I do not mean to derail, and apologise if that is what it is seen as.

So you don't see a difference between journalists being killed (due to air raids mostly) in the middle of a war zone (however awful that was and maybe preventable even) and (a) journalists, cops and other people being murdered in cold blood for some cartoons and (b) people being taken hostage and murdered in cold blood while they were going to the groceries for the sole reason that they were Jewish ?

If you do think the difference is one of colour or nationality then I don't think I can help you.

And if you really want to do some useless whataboutism let's juts compare the media treatment of the journalists killed in Gaza (which were reported, commented and provoked a lot of reaction, rightly so) and the one, say, of the 2500 palestinians killed in the Syria conflict so far.

/end of derail

 

[ComputerMKII]

So you don't see a difference between journalists being killed (due to air raids mostly) in the middle of a war zone (however awful that was and maybe preventable even) and (a) journalists, cops and other people being murdered in cold blood for some cartoons and (b) people being taken hostage and murdered in cold blood while they were going to the groceries for the sole reason that they were Jewish ?

If you really do think the difference is one of colour or nationality then I don't think I can help you.

I think the main difference is that France (and Europe in general) has known peace and political stability for a long time. Murderous attacks are exceptional, which isn't the case in Pakistan, Palestine or Nigeria.

 

[azyless]

Lot of people moving towards the start of the march where I am (Rennes), thinking of going myself but eh. They're expecting around 35000 people I think, can't remember seeing anything that big in my region.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Place de la République, half an hour ago:

 

[Jburton]

So you don't see a difference between journalists being killed (due to air raids mostly) in the middle of a war zone (however awful that was and maybe preventable even) and (a) journalists, cops and other people being murdered in cold blood for some cartoons and (b) people being taken hostage and murdered in cold blood while they were going to the groceries for the sole reason that they were Jewish ?

If you really do think the difference is one of colour or nationality then I don't think I can help you.

Those journalists in Gaza where specifically targeted in a lot of the cases because the other side did not want the atrocities being committed to get any attention.

It wasn't just the general dangers of a war zone, it was an effort to suppress the freedom of information.

 

[ComputerMKII]

From boulevard Voltaire, famous for its videogame shops

 

[Mik2121]

Place de la République, half an hour ago:

Are they saying how many people is around that area? It seems to be really packed.

 

[cripterion]

Also saw on my news feed that the woman (Jeanette Bougrab) that declared herself the girlfriend of Charb is actually a fake? The family said she had no relationship with him and doesn't want her to speak about him at all.
Kinda weird turn of events considering her speech on tv.

Anyways, I'm not against people marching, I think it's a good thing and a good initiative. I just take issue with the government messaging about this whole tragedy.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Beautiful march.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Netanyahu on TV

Are they saying how many people is around that area? It seems to be really packed.

Not sure. The march hasn't started yet and the media are expecting one million people.

 

[FDC1]

Also saw on my news feed that the woman (Jeanette Bougrab) that declared herself the girlfriend of Charb is actually a fake? The family said she had no relationship with him and doesn't want her to speak about him at all.
Kinda weird turn of events considering her speech on tv.

Anyways, I'm not against people marching, I think it's a good thing and a good initiative. I just take issue with the government messaging about this whole tragedy.

 

[Mimosa97]

Netanyahu on TV

I'm laughing my ass off. He's waiting for a spot inside the bus but the bus is full.

Is this real life ?

 

[ComputerMKII]

Also saw on my news feed that the woman (Jeanette Bougrab) that declared herself the girlfriend of Charb is actually a fake? The family said she had no relationship with him and doesn't want her to speak about him at all.

She's reacted to the family's claim, saying that she was indeed his partner and asked her friends for proof (text messages, emails, pictures, etc). However, she said that she didn't feel like fighting about that so she's gonna spend some time abroad and won't attend Charb's funeral.

Anyway, this is a complicated story and we don't have all the info.

 

[cripterion]

Yeah I mean her speech was full of emotion so I found it sincere, seems like there's some beef going around their relationship with the fam'.

http://www.leparisien.fr/societe/ch...avec-jeannette-bougrab-10-01-2015-4435759.php

Sorry. Don't have a link in english.

She's reacted to the family's claim, saying that she was indeed his partner and asked her friends for proof (text messages, emails, pictures, etc). However, she said that she didn't feel like fighting about that so she's gonna spend some time abroad and won't attend Charb's funeral.

Anyway, this is a complicated story and we don't have all the info.

Yeah weird stuff all around, just thought something like that would have brought them together or something.

 

[ComputerMKII]

I've found this on Twitter:

I have no idea what's true or not anymore and I feel dirty just talking about it.

 

[coleco]

Those journalists in Gaza where specifically targeted in a lot of the cases because the other side did not want the atrocities being committed to get any attention.

It wasn't just the general dangers of a war zone, it was an effort to suppress the freedom of information.

That's usually why journalists are killed in warzones. Spanish journalist José Couso was killed by US army in Iraq for the same reason.

There's a big difference in context between a warzone and what happened in Paris. Doesn't mean ones lives are worth more or less than the others.

 

[BaronLundi]

I think the main difference is that France (and Europe in general) has known peace and political stability for a long time. Murderous attacks are exceptional, which isn't the case in Pakistan, Palestine or Nigeria.

That and the fact those journalists were not shot in cold blood in a country that is not at war nor, I would argue, targeted specifically, but that's another debate.

And again, the victims we honour and march for today are not only the journalists.

There were 17 victims.

Among which people killed for what they did and people killed for what they were, all inacceptable.

 

[Mik2121]

Kinda expected and somewhat understandable, but Japan never shows up in these anti-terrorism marches. Here in Japan all these France news during the last 4 days have received quite minimal coverage.
When the supermarket and the other place got attacked and the terrorists died, on the news I was watching they talked about it for a whole... 1 minute. Again, expected because Islamic terrorism doesn't affect Japan directly, but when the other news they have is some plastic that appeared inside some chips bag or whatever, you'd think they could spend a bit more time talking about this.

 

[ComputerMKII]

I'm laughing my ass off. He's waiting for a spot inside the bus but the bus is full.

Is this real life ?

In pictures:

 

[kamorra]

I think that was the first time I was impressed by something Renzi said.

 

[orioto]

Kinda expected and somewhat understandable, but Japan never shows up in these anti-terrorism marches. Here in Japan all these France news during the last 4 days have received quite minimal coverage.
When the supermarket and the other place got attacked and the terrorists died, on the news I was watching they talked about it for a whole... 1 minute. Again, expected because Islamic terrorism doesn't affect Japan directly, but when the other news they have is some plastic that appeared inside some chips bag or whatever, you'd think they could spend a bit more time talking about this.

That's why geography teacher still teach kids "japan is an economic giant and a political dwarf"

Anyway i'm going to the protest now, i fear it's going to be so messy..

 

[Wind's Howling]

That top down view from Place de la République is staggering to say the least. It warms my heart to see so many people protest against this sort of violence.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Even FEMEN are there:

 

[cripterion]

Kinda expected and somewhat understandable, but Japan never shows up in these anti-terrorism marches. Here in Japan all these France news during the last 4 days have received quite minimal coverage.
When the supermarket and the other place got attacked and the terrorists died, on the news I was watching they talked about it for a whole... 1 minute. Again, expected because Islamic terrorism doesn't affect Japan directly, but when the other news they have is some plastic that appeared inside some chips bag or whatever, you'd think they could spend a bit more time talking about this.

Well they got a McDonalds scandal on their hands, please understand

Even FEMEN are there:

That's awkward

 

[Blablurn]

Epic. March on, France!

 

[ComputerMKII]

 

[cripterion]

Epic. March on, France!

Yeah, it's a weird feeling to see so many ex-presidents/ministers all together.

 

[chadskin]

Yeah, it's a weird feeling to see so many ex-presidents/ministers all together.

And all of them boarding a bus like us peasants do lol.

 

[Sickboy007]

I think that was the first time I was impressed by something Renzi said.

What did he say?

 

[cripterion]

And all of them boarding a bus like us peasants do lol.

Yeah lol. Security must be freaking out for sure.

 

[Jisgsaw]

And all of them boarding a bus like us peasants do lol.

Probably the most important bus of all time when you think about it: pretty much all important politician of France (minus Le Pen), and like 40 president/prime minister/minister from all over the world are riding in it at the same time...

 

[ComputerMKII]

It's 3 pm, the march should start at any moment now.

 

[cripterion]

What did he say?

"What is the most important, is the Europe of brothers"

 

[Fox1304]

Wtf ? All those heads of state in a single bus with the current situation looks like a recipe for disaster.
Protection services must be stressed like crazy !

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Lol @ the 'Manchester Utd' chant just now on Bbc News 24 as Lyce Ducett was presenting the 2pm news from Place de la Rep. Could hear him apologise afterwards lol

 

[cripterion]

Wtf ? All those heads of state in a single bus with the current situation looks like a recipe for disaster.
Protection services must be stressed like crazy !

At the same time they're just going to walk 300m apparently.

 

[kamorra]

What did he say?

Nothing special really. That we have to stay united against terrorism and all that. I just thought that his English was much improved and his speech felt sincere.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Boulard Haussman shops totally empty in spite of Winter sales

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

It's nice to see people from all races and religions march against terrorism.

 

[UnluckyKate]

Heli all over my place (st Lazare) feels like it's July 14th.

Couldn't go out to the march. Will watch tv with one eye though. Hope everyhing goes peacefully

 

[Fox1304]

At the same time they're just going to walk 300m apparently.

Yep, but I guess it'll be the longest 300m of all time for many security services

 

[KingSnake]

La Marseillaise is quite fitting to the situation, I think.

 

[ZiZ]

Kinda surprised about all the big names and numbers of people attending.

as far as terrorist attacks go, I felt that this wasn't as bad as most.

hell, didn't Netanyahu kill 15 journalists just a few months ago?

 

[ComputerMKII]

Websites of several organizations are being hacked, for instance the website of the Oradour-sur-Glane WW2 memorial:

Police is present as the Grand Mosque of Paris:

 

[Palette Swap]

Websites of several organizations are being hacked, for instance the website of the Oradour-sur-Glane WW2 memorial:

Motherfuckers.
At least their spelling leaves no doubt they aren't French.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Kinda surprised about all the big names and numbers of people attending.

as far as terrorist attacks go, I felt that this wasn't as bad as most.

hell, didn't Netanyahu kill 15 journalists just a few months ago?

This is the biggest terrorist attack in France since 1835.

 

[Arksy]

Websites of several organizations are being hacked, for instance the website of the Oradour-sur-Glane WW2 memorial:

No words.

*ahem*

Pas de mots.

 

[fanboi]

Place de la République, half an hour ago:

Then you realize that the road upwards is also packed with people.