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Persona 5 New Trailer

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wmlk

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Personally, due to mindshare, "gamer" entitlement, actual development time, and a myriad of other reasons, I seriously think that this game will sell more because it is Sony exclusive.

I felt the same way about some very Japanese games last generation, and this generation the numbers obviously favour Sony.
 

Logash

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I thought about that possibility too, but I wouldn't be opposed to all those things actually happening in the first day. If you think about it, it's not that unreasonable. The school events and walking around the city happen at daytime, the bar scene could be them setting up their heist, and at nighttime you would go to the dungeon shown in the trailer which would serve as sort of a tutorial mission. If you think about it even though it seems like a lot of events in a trailer, it wouldn't be that unreasonable for it to correspond to a single day in the game (I'm sure if you picked a single busy day of P4 or P3 and stretched it out for a trailer it would also seem bigger than it actually is), and besides the characters and enemies were pretty low level.

Even though I loved P4's slow beginning and atmosphere/character/story-building, other people don't seem to hold it in high regards so a faster paced opening act would be ideal to hook new fans right away. Also it'd be nice to be able to reccomend it to people without telling them they'll have to cope with a 3~4 hour prologue with nothing but dialogues lol

Yeah, doing everything on the first will be overwhelming gameplay and story wise. The date might be just placeholder because Atlus doesn't want to spoil too much (or just forgot to changed it :p). But it still possible that those event happened on single day, which mean the Protagonist, Ryuji, Anne, and Morgana already know each other before 4/11 (also possibly already doing some heist). If this is the route they take, started right when the shit happened, then how our protagonist got his persona would be told via flashback or some sort. I mean, it have been twice that the game started with a long nosed bald old man offering contract to our protagonist in their dream then actual shits happened right?

Yeah I get that people want it to go fast but meeting the new characters for the first time is important to that pacing of a Persona game. How can you be a silent protagonist if you already know these people? How do you explain that you are in a heist with these people on the first day? The mask are clearly something super natural so are we saying that they obtain this power while already planning to steal something? What about the cat that turns into the mascot. How can any of that possibly be the first day and introduce you to the game. Listen, the guys at Atlus are way smarter than me and I'm sure they might be able to figure out answer to the problems I just said but I just cna't see this all being the first day.
 

Nimby

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They did awful in Japan, of course. They didn't bother releasing a P4AU Xbox 360 SKU in Japan. The developers deciding not to put resources into a 360/XB1 version of P5 due to this combined with the fact that a mainline Persona game has never been on anything other than Sony platforms (except for P1 on PC) doesn't really make it that surprising, to me.

I'm talking about in the West and not so much in Japan as that's a given. I just assumed the Sony exclusivity prior to Catherine was nothing more than western-console ignorant japanese developers and small budgets.
 

FluxWaveZ

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I'm talking about in the West and not so much in Japan as that's a given. I just assumed the Sony exclusivity prior to Catherine was nothing more than western-console ignorant japanese developers and small budgets.

But that's what I mean: the developers would still need to devote resources to develop a 360/XB1 version of Persona 5. If those wouldn't sell in Japan, then would devoting those resources solely for the North American market be worth the time, money and effort? That's what I mean when I say, combined with Persona's history, it was to be expected. This probably isn't a big enough series where releasing for all of those platforms in North America would be worth it. Then there's the potential cooperation from Sony, though that's just speculation for now.
 

Ran rp

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Oh, that makes a really big difference. =O

Anyway, for folks that missed the linked I posted earlier in the thread, my friend logichoel storify'd his posts about color and themes in the P5 Trailer link is in his twitter. .

https://twitter.com/logichole/status/563600072315654144

Thanks!

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*groans*

These RPGs are too damn long! I might be able to comfortably play through Persona 1 + Innocent Sin in a week but come on now. I didn't get far in 1 and 2 so I'm just going to start over in those, and I think I took a break from P4G in Marukyu Striptease. Not sure how far into the story that is.
 

Squire

Banned
Personally, due to mindshare, "gamer" entitlement, actual development time, and a myriad of other reasons, I seriously think that this game will sell more because it is Sony exclusive.

I felt the same way about some very Japanese games last generation, and this generation the numbers obviously favour Sony.

A year ago 8 thought this has potential to be a 1m seller. Now I honestly think that might be the bare minimum.

PS3/PS4 physical + digital sales and possibly some decent marketing could set this one on fire.

Edit: And launching in the right window.
 

Nimby

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But that's what I mean: the developers would still need to devote resources to develop a 360/XB1 version of Persona 5. If those wouldn't sell in Japan, then would devoting those resources solely for the North American market be worth the time, money and effort? That's what I mean when I say, combined with Persona's history, it was to be expected. This probably isn't a big enough series where releasing for all of those platforms in North America would be worth it. Then there's the potential cooperation from Sony, though that's just speculation for now.

Oh, okay. I thought broadening their horizons would be a good way to increase recognition/sales, but certain factors could hinder it as well. I wish this wasn't the case though, I don't want P5 to be "mainstream" but SMT in general needs another renaissance.
 

Kssio_Aug

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The only thing I'm sure about this game, is that I will pre-order the western digital copy as soon as possible!

That may be the game I'm looking forward the most, together with Uncharted 4 (or even more).
 

jwhit28

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PSY・S;150984788 said:
Thanks!

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*groans*

These RPGs are too damn long! I might be able to comfortably play through Persona 1 + Innocent Sin in a week but come on now. I didn't get far in 1 and 2 so I'm just going to start over in those, and I think I took a break from P4G in Marukyu Striptease. Not sure how far into the story that is.

P4 flys by after the first in game week (1.5-2 hours). Most of the time I was wishing for more in game days to get stuff done.
 

Oxn

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Persona 4 Golden had shipped (including digital sales) 700 000 as of December 2013, so a year after its launch. It charted in Japan again recently because of the Golden Animation and they're having a budget re-release (greatest hits/whatever you want to call it) soon. So P4G itself is not far off 1M and that's on Vita. So yes, I think Persona 5 has the 1M sales within reach.

Is the 700K Japan only?

Seems kinda low if WW, but kinda High if Japan only.
 

Nimby

Banned
PSY・S;150984788 said:
Thanks!

https://i.imgur.com/BGNneuJ.png[IMG]

*groans*

These RPGs are too damn long! I might be able to comfortably play through Persona 1 + Innocent Sin in a week but come on now. I didn't get far in 1 and 2 so I'm just going to start over in those, and I think I took a break from P4G in Marukyu Striptease. Not sure how far into the story that is.[/QUOTE]

Never have 80hr rpgs been so short :(

I wish I could erase P3 and P4 from my mind.
 
- "Take an injection" in the medical menu? So you can instant heal in some way?

Hmm, or the MC has some kind of medical condition that requires regular injections; diabetes, etc. Maybe that's why he seems so low-energy normally, but perhaps his Persona gives him a health boost when he goes into Mask Mode.
 

Steel

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- "Take an injection" in the medical menu? So you can instant heal in some way? Kind of like in Persona Q maybe? Your health doesn't regenerate when leaving Tartarus/Shadow World? Or maybe there is no shadow world so the health carries over everywhere, including school where you could sleep to heal but miss some knowledge (like in Persona 3 where you could sleep if fatigued by too much dungeon crawling?)

No, you're looking at a shop menu there, and you're not even looking at a selectable part of the shop menu either. What you're looking at is the shop logo which says "Buy an item Take an injection".
 

klee123

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They did awful in Japan, of course. They didn't bother releasing a P4AU Xbox 360 SKU in Japan. The developers deciding not to put resources into a 360/XB1 version of P5 due to this combined with the fact that a mainline Persona game has never been on anything other than Sony platforms (except for P1 on PC) doesn't really make it that surprising, to me.

Also wouldn't be surprised if Sony had a hand with the PS4 version of P5.


It's not just P5, though, it seems that besides a few games like MGS and FF, it seems most Japanese devs are going PS exclusive for current gen.

SCEJ must have been really aggressive with the third party partnerships at the start of this gen.
 

Jigolo

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PSY・S;150984788 said:
Thanks!

BGNneuJ.png


*groans*

These RPGs are too damn long! I might be able to comfortably play through Persona 1 + Innocent Sin in a week but come on now. I didn't get far in 1 and 2 so I'm just going to start over in those, and I think I took a break from P4G in Marukyu Striptease. Not sure how far into the story that is.

Took me 80 hours to beat P4G. Probably the longest game I've ever played from start to finish
 

FluxWaveZ

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It's not just P5, though, it seems that besides a few games like MGS and FF, it seems most Japanese devs are going PS exclusive for current gen.

SCEJ must have been really aggressive with the third party partnerships at the start of this gen.

I don't know if that's really necessary when XB1s are selling 200-350 units per week in Japan. The 360's fate in Japan made this outcome relatively predictable, so it might simply not be worth it.
 

Soriku

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Took me 80 hours to beat P4G. Probably the longest game I've ever played from start to finish

Took me 80 to get through P3 FES. Didn't do all the quests though. Took me another 22 to beat the Answer. Shieeeeet.

I think OG P4 'only' took me 65.
 

wapplew

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Also wouldn't be surprised if Sony had a hand with the PS4 version of P5.


It's not just P5, though, it seems that besides a few games like MGS and FF, it seems most Japanese devs are going PS exclusive for current gen.

SCEJ must have been really aggressive with the third party partnerships at the start of this gen.

By aggressive you mean show them sales number of PS4 WW or Xbox in Japan?
 

Hatchtag

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P4 flys by after the first in game week (1.5-2 hours). Most of the time I was wishing for more in game days to get stuff done.

First in-game week flies by too aside from on replays. People complain about the slow start, but it sure as hell had me interested. It's a little less interesting when you've played through it already and you're familiar with the story though.
 
I'm honestly surprised Xbox One isn't getting Persona 5 at least in the West. Perhaps Catherine, and the Arena games didn't do so well on the 360?

I'm surprised that you're surprised. This was never going to happen. Especially when Xbox One is only selling a couple of hundred units a week in Japan. The cost involved isn't worth it. They'll make bank on the PS3/PS4 SKU's. An Xbox One SKU would just be charity for the 5 Xbox One owners who refuse to buy a PS4 for the game for whatever bias they hold.
 

antibolo

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Also wouldn't be surprised if Sony had a hand with the PS4 version of P5.


It's not just P5, though, it seems that besides a few games like MGS and FF, it seems most Japanese devs are going PS exclusive for current gen.

SCEJ must have been really aggressive with the third party partnerships at the start of this gen.

No, Japanese devs are going PS exclusive because nobody gives a flying shit about Xbox in Japan. I don't think you understand just how much Xbox is insignificant in Japan, the Xbox One is currently being outsold by the freaking Vita TV. It's deader than dead. Any Japanese dev who is not making a game specifically with an international audience in mind is just not going to care about doing an Xbox One version.
 

Jachaos

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No, you're looking at a shop menu there, and you're not even looking at a selectable part of the shop menu either. What you're looking at is the shop logo which says "Buy an item Take an injection".

Ah I see!

There's a few interesting things in this video I hadn't noticed (and might have been discussed).

For example, the cat being in the bag in the clinic and probably on the train at the beginning of the day seeing how the MC protects it. Also, before seeing that frame-by-frame, I hadn't noticed the circles that appear below the character when landing after jumping on the chandeliers.

The weather cycles multiple times for the same day during the trailer.
 

Zareka

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If Atlus use this as their chance to work a simultaneous release with Sega between NA and Europe I will be so happy.

I know PQ came out pretty close to each other (it seemed like it was just due to the UK's regular release day?) but that was still a NISA deal that wasn't ever officially announced as far as I recall. If we get treated as an actual target from the get go all faith in Atlus's handling of Europe will be restored.
 

FluxWaveZ

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If Atlus use this as their chance to work a simultaneous release with Sega between NA and Europe I will be so happy.

An All-Out-Attack from Sega, Sony, Atlus Japan and Atlus USA for a simultaneous release, even between Japan and NA... that's the dream, isn't it.
 
I want to ask, but did anyone dislike the fact that everyone's issues/problems in Persona 4 were solved through the MC. Like the cast didn't actually develop on their own without relying on the MC. That's probably one of reasons why I prefer P3 over P4 because in P3 the characters actually developed on their own merits without relying on the help of the MC. To me it actually made the protagonist not a mary sue in P3 than in P4. Though all this is my opinion.

Anyways I just hope in P5 they don't make the cast rely too much on the MC and actually have them develop on their own merits.
 

Logash

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If Atlus use this as their chance to work a simultaneous release with Sega between NA and Europe I will be so happy.

I know PQ came out pretty close to each other (it seemed like it was just due to the UK's regular release day?) but that was still a NISA deal that wasn't ever officially announced as far as I recall. If we get treated as an actual target from the get go all faith in Atlus's handling of Europe will be restored.

Question, has Persona 5 been officially announced for Europe yet?
 

PaulloDEC

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Took me 80 hours to beat P4G. Probably the longest game I've ever played from start to finish

This is why I'm resistant to playing Persona 3. At the rate I play games it'd take me literally about 2 months to get through it, and then when P5 came along I'd be totally burnt out.

It must've been a hell of a dry spell last January when I played P4, not sure how I'd have gotten through it otherwise.
 

Squire

Banned
I'm already going to predict Nov/dec for NA. August/sept for Japan.

That's what I'm thinking. There's already been s two month delay on the trailers. Obviously there's a huge difference in translating a trailer and whole game, but didn't SMTIV hit NA like six weeks after Japan? Combine with the fact they said they wanted to launch Ultimax, P4D, and P5 relatively close to their JP launches and them reaffirming the 2015 US release at PSX, I can see December happening. Maybe January if they feel a slight delay would optimize sales potential.
 

Logash

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Plus Persona 4 was too easy. ��

Persona 3 was hard for all the wrong reasons though. Wasting my time talking to my party to handle their stuff and going through Tartarus' boring ass floors. Not to mention the added difficulty of having to handle the stupid AI in Persona 3. Anyway, Personally, I finished Persona 3 in 68 hours compared to Persona 4's 85.
 
I want to ask, but did anyone dislike the fact that everyone's issues/problems in Persona 4 were solved through the MC. Like the cast didn't actually develop on their own without relying on the MC. That's probably one of reasons why I prefer P3 over P4 because in P3 the characters actually developed on their own merits without relying on the help of the MC. To me it actually made the protagonist not a mary sue in P3 than in P4. Though all this is my opinion.

I agree with you.

avatarquote.jpg now lol
 

LuuKyK

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I wonder who the character is that jumps off the character design sign.

People on the IGN Rewind thing were speculating that she could be Morgana (as in a human form of her). I dont know though, looks more like a fox than a cat to me.
 

PaulloDEC

Member
I want to ask, but did anyone dislike the fact that everyone's issues/problems in Persona 4 were solved through the MC. Like the cast didn't actually develop on their own without relying on the MC. That's probably one of reasons why I prefer P3 over P4 because in P3 the characters actually developed on their own merits without relying on the help of the MC. To me it actually made the protagonist not a mary sue in P3 than in P4. Though all this is my opinion.

This was one of the few things I didn't like about P4. Hard for me to maintain any respect for the characters when they won't stop kissing the MC's ass.
 

Jachaos

Member
P4 is definitely shorter than P3. It's because P3 had Tartarus.

Hm, I went through P3P FeMC route on Easy (I had already beaten P3FES) and it didn't take me too long. When you include all the optional months in P4G when going for the true ending, I think that one's actually quite longer than Persona 3. Or so my playthroughs of the two told me. (When you don't count the dungeons)
 

Zareka

Member
An All-Out-Attack from Sega, Sony, Atlus Japan and Atlus USA for a simultaneous release, even between Japan and NA... that's the dream, isn't it.
I could see this happening for any Persona game post 5 if it does well enough, which I fully expect it will. #believe
Question, has Persona 5 been officially announced for Europe yet?
Not yet, but that's my exact problem. It's pretty much a given by this point but because Atlus don't have anything solid sorted with European distribution we have to wait months until NISA or someone else can get a hold of it before it can be announced, or we end up with a PQ situation where we only find out from some random list of upcoming games. I want us Euros in from the get go so we don't have to wait around for everything to be sorted in the US.
 

antibolo

Banned
Not yet, but that's my exact problem. It's pretty much a given by this point but because Atlus don't have anything solid sorted with European distribution we have to wait months until NISA or someone else can get a hold of it before it can be announced, or we end up with a PQ situation where we only find out from some random list of upcoming games. I want us Euros in from the get go so we don't have to wait around for everything to be sorted in the US.

Can't you guys just import it? It's not like it's on a Nintendo console anyway.
 

Wazzy

Banned
People on the IGN Rewind thing were speculating that she could be Morgana (as in a human form of her). I dont know though, looks more like a fox than a cat to me.

Yeah I thought it might be the cat but then I didn't think it would have a human form so that has me doubting it's Morgana. I hope it's a new character.
 

Draxyle

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I can't think of any game that's bigger than Persona 4 Golden. Even with the dungeons taking only half as long to get through, that version in particular is just insanely dense with stuff to do.

I think the only game that comes close in hours for me was 100%ing FFX, and most of that is just various forms of grinding. P4Golden is surprisingly light on that as far as JRPGs go.
 
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