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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U DLC |OT| Mewtwo Strikes Back
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Sorry if this isn't helping you get sleepy or anything... I find playing Smash keeps me fully awake, I don't know how other people fall asleep after playing it.
MasterCheeze
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Good games! Absolutely the best Megaman I've fought yet. I've never been whooped that bad playing Sm4sh, it was hopeless lol. Mains go DK, D3, Boozer, Charizard/Mewtwo/others. Who do I talk to get into ranbats?
Anonymous Tipster
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Thanks! You weren't making it easy though, that's for sure. Let up for a second and I'd eat it!
Karsticles runs them. This is the first week, but maybe you can sweet talk him into letting you in a little late.
Good games. Ugh, annoyed that that last down b wasn't ledge canceled, I mis-aimed it. I think I just had the reads on you in the earlier battles. My Bowser bombs were pretty on point to an extent that they usually aren't. Later on I think you adapted a bit. I probably shouldn't play ledge games with Captain Falcon as much. Was surprised you knocked me away with Toon Link's dair windbox during my recovery... then again I wonder wtf I was thinking taking Duck Hunt's stage. I always go there at some point just cause I feel like I should play all the legal stages, but I always do terribly on it. I find the ducks way too distracting. Was also surprised to get killed by Shulk's counter during my upsmash, I think it's because I hit you at the apex of the move, if I do it when you're closer to the ground I don't get hit. Were you using any customs at all?
Good games truly amazing Bowser really. I did better later on, but you still won like 13 out of the 18 games we played lol. At least I managed to Falcon Punch you Twice on the last one, sorry had to save it :T
I saved a couple of our matches just cause someone in the thread was asking about seeing Bowser replays... They uh, weren't the ones you won...
See my edit above too.
Those were the first one weren't they :T and no I was not using any costum moves on any character, Shulk's counter is just op like that lol.
Ha if I post one I'll mention you were sleepy. One of them was the 2 stock against your Ness on Delfino, I forget the other...
You don't have to say that haha, either way GG's, really should be sleeping now.
I would like to play tomorrow, with people in Bracket 7. I'll be available all evening tomorrow. Evening as in Norway afternoon/evening, from like noon until 10 pm. I don't know timezones by heart, but noon would be 23 hours from this post. It's 1 pm right now.
Edit: Maybe Thulius would be available, let's finish our set with less lag!
Edit: Maybe Thulius would be available, let's finish our set with less lag!
Anyone from Bracket 9 wanna play later on? Got brutally murdered by AZCards last night (like 2 stocked 5 times in a row murdered), hoping I can regain a lil' pride here.
edit: Is anyone's best character one they don't enjoy playing that much? ROsalina is my best, but I don't really like the way she plays anymore. I've been trying to find a replacement but I'm struggling.
edit: Is anyone's best character one they don't enjoy playing that much? ROsalina is my best, but I don't really like the way she plays anymore. I've been trying to find a replacement but I'm struggling.
spyroflame0487
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Someone on /vp/ noticed that Giratina and Genesect have something reflecting on their trophies. Can anyone identify what they may be?
I was gonna say Giratina's could be Spear Pillar but I don't think so.
MagiusNecros
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Why?
QisTopTier
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First one is a lake with a city on the other side
Second one has a waterfall and its two of the same picture pressed together
You and I have yet to play, I sent you a FR a few days ago, I will be around 10pm EST today.
balladofwindfishes
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They really are taking their time fixing Mewtwo's online banning single player bugs, aren't they?
When they said they'd have a fix ASAP, I was thinking less than a week... but they still haven't fixed them.
When they said they'd have a fix ASAP, I was thinking less than a week... but they still haven't fixed them.
Cool, I can do 10pm. It's a little bit late for me but I'll manage, let me know if ever you can make it earlier though. Oh, and I accepted your FR yesterday night!
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Oh they will fix it by the 28th. They have to.
Karsticles
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1) Previously, I believed FD was best for Bowser because he wanted vertical movement for Fire Breath pressure, platforms mess with Bowser Bomb, and I stopped using Klaw, which is great for platforms.
2) Mewtwo has excellent recovery, and he can use platforms for teleport cancels (which I have not even begun mastering, but I still teleport to platforms sometimes).
3) Mewtow's usmash is very strong, killing at 90% on lightweights and 110% on Ganondorf. He can use mindgames around rolls on platforms to get early kills.
4) Confusion leads to usmash combos on Battlefield.
5) Dthrow leads to combos on Lylat Cruise.
6) Many people play on For Glory a lot, so non-Omega stages throw them for a loop.
7) Mewtwo is great at coming from beneath the stage with Nair due to his excellent recovery (still need to practice this).
8) Mewtwo has trouble with characters that approach from the air, IMO; his ground game is his best game. Platforms help protect him from that.
9) Platforms give Mewtwo more opportunities to charge Shadow Ball.
10) I find Lylat Cruise to be a solid stage to use now that the ledges are fixed, so banning it is no longer a priority for me. I am not sure what my second stage ban will be. I do know what two stages I would ban if I were counterpicking Mewtwo, though. ;-)
My Bowser has some rust on him. It takes me about 10 matches to get warmed up because I have Mewtwo on my mind. I did go 5-1 against Cronoc last season, though. Cronoc always steals all my tech every time we play, of course, so that gap has closed a bit.
Damn thief!I miiight, but I am not sure, it'd be probably 9pm EST at the earliest, if that's too late we can try Saturday/Sunday, I should be able to be there sooner.
I'll be at work for most of that time (EST) but I might be able to play around noon-1pm your time if I happen to wake up early. I'll leave a post in the thread if I do!
Probably a bit early to be making statements like this but I think Pikachu will end up being Mewtwo's worst matchup for all the reasons you've stated. Sheik/Sonic/Fox are bad for similar reasons, but Nair is at least usable in the neutral, most of their punishable options don't duck under Mewtwo's jab/grab, there's a non-zero chance of gimping their recovery, etc. etc. Basically Pikachu has all the same advantages as those other characters but half of Mewtwo's tools just don't work against him.
A lot of Mewtwo's bad matchups seem like they can be overcome with patience and careful play but against Pikachu he feels straight up crippled.
Karsticles
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Honestly, they should nerf Quick Attack's hitbox. That attack, with all its speed, shouldn't have hitbox priority over anything. If they nerfed that and Sheik's needles, I would be pretty happy with this game's balance.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Oh I thought you were banning all of em.
I don't choose any ban picks. I play for fun mostly. Besides playing on a stage I hate makes me learn a matchup on that stage.
Mewtwo could use a buff on power. Ganon and Bowser have killed for less. And Bowser in rage can easily turn a battle around if you let him win.
It is kinda sickening that Mewtwo can be killed off of a fresh fsmash from the heavies at 50% near the edge.
Especially from Bowser and Ganon. My mains.
I would really like kill rates at 70%-80%.
A lot of times with mewtwo it is about being super patient.
I don't choose any ban picks. I play for fun mostly. Besides playing on a stage I hate makes me learn a matchup on that stage.
Mewtwo could use a buff on power. Ganon and Bowser have killed for less. And Bowser in rage can easily turn a battle around if you let him win.
It is kinda sickening that Mewtwo can be killed off of a fresh fsmash from the heavies at 50% near the edge.
Especially from Bowser and Ganon. My mains.
I would really like kill rates at 70%-80%.
A lot of times with mewtwo it is about being super patient.
Tonight is fine with me, no worries!
Karsticles
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Well, as per the ranbat rules, banning Final Destination = banning all Omega stages.
I am 100% cool with Mewtwo's weight and kill power right now. I do very well with him for only playing him for a week. Nami can attest that against his Yoshi and Sheik, in most matches, even though I lose, he is at kill % on his second stock. Ditto against Twilt's Pikachu and Shulk.
I don't have good setups with Mewtwo outside of the neutral, I still SD sometimes, and I am mega butt at gimping people. As I get better at these things, I suspect things will get better. You have to consider what Mewtwo HAS.
He has a KO projectile with massive priority, which is, IMO, a defining feature of the character. Compare him to other characters with this feature: Samus, and Lucario.
Lucario is basically ass until high %. His normals has no reach. Mewtwo's normals have massive reach.
Samus has no safe normals, and she has no good escape methods. Her roll is terrible, and that's all she has. She has no good aerials. Mewtwo has amazing aerials and tons of safe options for attacking and moving around.
Mewtwo also has Nair, which is basically aerial Fortress.
If Mewtwo were significantly heavier, he would be FAR stronger than Samus and Lucario. Right now, he has a better moveset than both of them, but it is "balanced" by him being fragile and light.
I welcome a counter-perspective, but I think I am right on this.
Nah Mewtwo doesn't need to kill any earlier than he does now. Smashes already take heavies out from center stage around 110-120% and his offstage game is ridiculous. Shadow ball is also really strong. Not to mention sh airdodge recovering fast enough to give him outrageous punishes on (fairly safe) hard reads. I'd appreciate him being a bit heavier but I don't know that he really needs it considering he's got a lot of options to mix up his landings and recovers easily from just about anything.
Can't really think of any significant buffs I'd give him that wouldn't be silly. Bring the hitbox on his jab1 down a little so it doesn't whiff short characters, maybe let him turn around disable? I don't know, he feels solid, certainly nowhere near bottom tier.
MagiusNecros
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I think my only problem I really have is mewtwo being susceptible to wind effects and the occasional teleport that wants to ride a stages underside.
And up tilt having over 11 hitboxes and some cases just flat out misses.
Bringing his weight back to melee level would be nice but I believe shadow ball recoil is TIED to weight value.
And up tilt having over 11 hitboxes and some cases just flat out misses.
Bringing his weight back to melee level would be nice but I believe shadow ball recoil is TIED to weight value.
Karsticles
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The teleports bouncing off of stages drives me NUTS. That's all I really dislike about him. I feel like the fully charged Shadow Ball could use less startup. No way is it 6F like Smashboards claims.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Smash boards has like 3 frame data topics. It is silly.
But yeah everyone has the teleport issues.
Wyndstryker
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Karsticles
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Really? I've never had it happen with her. I think they're the hardest to control, but I've never had them bounce.
Wyndstryker
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It's gets the same issues with FG edges like all teleports when it can hit a lip and go sideways. But since Zelda's teleport can also go far, even if you're aiming for the ground it can send you offstage if you're too shallow.
All the teleports in this game will slide along any surface you hit before reaching max distance. Any time you see it "bounce" it's because you hit a sloped surface and carried that momentum. It's the reason ledge cancel teleports are possible and the reason stages like omega boxing ring are garbage.
commanderpepper
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I've had both Mewtwo's and Zelda's teleport bounce on me. It sucks when it happens.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I think big battlefield,delfino, kongo jungle 64, skyloft, halberd are good stages for mewtwo. Maybe wuhu island if that is legal. Big battlefield is big of course so mewtwo lives longer and has lots of platforms.
The others have a base platform for most of the stage you can jump or teleport through. Or attack through if you wanted. So no stupid bounce or stage hug.
Omega stages are kinda meh. Better for rushdown characters.
The others have a base platform for most of the stage you can jump or teleport through. Or attack through if you wanted. So no stupid bounce or stage hug.
Omega stages are kinda meh. Better for rushdown characters.
Wyndstryker
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GG's Juni.
You really need to work on being less predictable, your approaches are almost carbon copy of each other each time.
You really need to work on being less predictable, your approaches are almost carbon copy of each other each time.
Cool bro, I'll keep an eye out!
Behold, Avatar Kong has arried.
FlowWayfarer
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Had some free time last night and with no reliable internet connection at the moment (in the process of moving houses) decided to work this out in training and add it to the toolbox.
The turn around at end of stage is pretty tough, but doable with some practice; I'm still not reliably there yet. Didn't even bother with the footstool/meteor smash QA gimick. By the time I was hitting the edge of the stage they're in the % range where the footstool thing wasn't needed. You can almost always get a partially charged sweet spot heavy skull bash as they come out of the stun lock past you. It's usually more than enough to kill most of the cast, and those heavies who can survive become fairly easy gimp targets.
It's not the easiest thing to set up, but once you get that first jolt and are within proper range: game on Wayne.
Granted I only tested on lvl9 CPUs (no internet), but I figured with their godlike shield/dodging abilities it would be a good test. Would probably be hard to pull off reliably online due to the timing, but would be interesting to play around with it at least as a setup to smash/HSB kills.
It only would have been better if it was Donkey KOing a Diddy at the end during the 'bring balance to the world.' part. With a nice slow motion zoom in on Diddy's face.
Shamrock7r
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1v1 anyone
ShadowgeistX
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Anyone in bracket 8 want to play their ranbat matches? I'll be around for a few hours probably so I can probably finish 1 or 2 of them this week.
I still haven't a chance to download DLC 2 yet. I'm just practicing some Smash stuff and watching JoJos at the moment :x
Will probably download the DLC later tonight though after I'm done though.
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