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Germany Hardware LTD through March 2015: PS4 1.6 million, XBO 378K
- Thread starter John Bender
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Expected, what makes it worse is that the Xbox One has been getting one fire sale after another for months. Every retailer is trying to get rid of their stock - console bundles costs as much as the WiiU right now.
The brand was never that strong to begin with, it just looked that way because Sony screwed up the PS3 launch and price.
Yeah, but the PS4 also gets them. Not as severe as the Xbox One but there are lots of deals.
The lowest I can remember was a local deal with 280 EUR for Xbox One + 2nd Controller + FM5 Motorsport.
But Xbone + recently released game at 300 EUR has been seen several times.
yeah, they dug their own grave with that e3. But it also doesn't help that the xbox one was initially 100 euro more expensive than the ps4 (because of kinect) whilst its hardware power is not better.
I'm not surprised by these results. The Xbox One offered nothing that the PS4 did offer. Adding the stronger brand power of PlayStation in Germany, there was no road to success for MS here. They'll have a hard time recovering even a little bit in this generation.
(I'm German btw)
Cheers. Nothing for XB1? Launch was stronger than PS4's IIRC, but we know it caught up, so I guess it may not be too far behind?
There is also the thing that most of their "exclusives" aren't even exclusive but also available for PC. I am kinda interested in D4, but now I will just get it for PC.
Anyone recall this:
German Official: Xbox One Spying Capabilities a "Twisted Nightmare"
Think it had a hand in tarnishing the brand?
German Official: Xbox One Spying Capabilities a "Twisted Nightmare"
Think it had a hand in tarnishing the brand?
ISee
Member
Yes, I tend to forget that. Also the PS3 was priced @ 600€ (PS2 compatible model). That also helped Microsoft in a big way I think.
Not really, most people even do not seem to care that the NSA wiretaped the personal cell phone of chancelor merkel also people love facebook here.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
I see the ratio setting on something like 5:1 when all is said and done.
Sales are currently accelerating towards that ratio, these figures are skewed by an okay-ish launch for the Bone in Germany.
Sales are currently accelerating towards that ratio, these figures are skewed by an okay-ish launch for the Bone in Germany.
Both consoles have some good deals, XB1 obviously goes lower. I think the lowest i saw was 269€ for the console itself without game. You can check idealo for some priceranges of bundes in DE XB1 & PS4.
Also as i posted in the Pal thread the german playstation boss gave an interview to boerse-online where he talks about german market transitioning to consoles, the gap towards their competitors and he is hinting at a price cut for christmas.
That is a translation mistake.
While he was unsettled by the whole thing the idea that "they will monitor your every activity in your house hold" was a made up fantasy.
The only time XB1 was stronger was the launch week. By Christmas 2013 PS4 had already taken the lead.
The only reason we know PS4 did >200k was because PS4 claimed the fastest selling console in 50 weeks, which was previously held by Wii which had a recorded amount of 200K. So really we only know the lower limit.
We don't have numbers for XB1 or Wii U but in August 2014 it was reported PS4 was outselling them both 2:1 for a lot of 2014.
Where are you pulling that from?
In 2013, the PC market had revenue of 531 million, all consoles combined only 862. And there isn't a console that dominates with more than 50%, so obviously PC #1.
You lol, but in the 360 times you could find posts all around the internet about the 360 not selling as good in japan cause of racism/xenophobia.
Nah that was early last year according to Newzoo. Can's find much more recent info but at that point as a single platform nothing touches the PC market there.
YianGaruga
Banned
This is anecdotal evidence, but PC games have a much, much bigger presence at retail than any console. I'm sure that means something.
Screw ratio. Xbone has still not sold more there than X360 managed on its launch day.
That doesn't seem true, unless the people that stock the shelves across the country are imbeciles.
We get weekly sales numbers and while the PC retail space is very healthy compared to many other countries it's not the most dominant one.
John Bender
Banned
If I remember correctly, we had a thread here a few months ago.
PS4/PS3 is No1 in germany. Can't find the thread and the pics right now :/
YianGaruga
Banned
I could take pictures of the 3-4 shelves of PC games compared to the 1-2 with PS4 games next time I'm at my local Media Markt if you want. I'm not making it up.
Microsoft never had a chance and what little they have had, their original vision destroyed over here. People talked about Kinect spying in their living rooms etc.
Well, they deserve what they got so hats up to my fellow Germans.
The Xbox deals over here are crazy and they still don't sell relatively well.
Well, they deserve what they got so hats up to my fellow Germans.
The Xbox deals over here are crazy and they still don't sell relatively well.
No, I'm sure you are right. I'm just saying the numbers for the country are not supporting the local shelves you see.
PdotMichael
Banned
German Games Industry Association
Consoles were dominating the German game market in 2013 (no public data for 2014 but it shouldn't be that differently), so saying that Germany is a PC dominated country is plain wrong.
Trust me. I'm a PhD
Member
Yeah, I agree. I never knew I "needed" it until the DS4 came out and now I cannot imagine not having it^^
YianGaruga
Banned
I'm not sure what's happening then. Maybe retail chains aren't reacting to the changing market fast enough.
John Bender
Banned
Don't know what's going on with the UK.
Where are the sales numbers for the PS4 and Xbox One?
What are GfK Chart-Track and MCVUK doing?
Try to get the numbers already.
Where are the sales numbers for the PS4 and Xbox One?
What are GfK Chart-Track and MCVUK doing?
Try to get the numbers already.
Which isn't too suprising considering how many retail games for the PS4 are available.
Consoles and PC retail games got the same amount of shelf space in my local MM.
Somehwhat, though console games are still being bought retail 91% of the time while for PC games it's 42% (2014).
http://www.biu-online.de/de/presse/...den-immer-haeufiger-als-download-gekauft.html
The 139 million are browser games and online games with recurring payments such as WoW, Eve etc. "Virtuelle Zusatzinhalte" are DLC and the like which goes to consoles and PC.
Am I mistaken or did the Xbox Original sell better than both the 360 and One separately?
Or am I just thinking of launch numbers...
In Japan, of course.
Benjamin1981
Member
My local Media Markt changed the shelves recently. All Xbox One shelves are now PS4 shelves and the Xbox One stuff got half of the Xbox 360 shelve. To clarify, PS3 shelve is double than the Xbox One shelve.
So you are ignoring the online games and browser games which are mostly PC and 100% PC? Add those numbers and you are almost as big as the console market. Now split the console market into their respective platforms (XBOX, PS and Wii) and you get PC domination which was exactly what that other guy said.
YianGaruga
Banned
My MM also changed something, the space that was reserved for Vita games now has PSN currency and DLC vouchers and Vita games are in boxes on the floor.
No, but saying that as a single platform nothing touches the PC is correct. The infographic in your link is based on that Newzoo report/infographic I linked before. That Newzoo link is the most up-to-date breakdown of that region for some reason (maybe there'll be a new one released soon?), which is why I linked it.
PdotMichael
Banned
I'm not ignoring anything. I was replying to the post that Germany is a PC do country, which is based on my provided data wrong.
Vita games are in boxes on the floor.
That's so you can spit on them as you walk by
1st Course
Member
Consoles are bigger than PC there nowadays.
No post said Germany is PC dominated except yours, just that it's the largest single platform there, above Playstation and smartphones even.
That isn't a new thing, consoles as homogenous group of platforms have been larger in revenue since before last generation started. But as a single platform nothing has been able to top PC there. It's far closer to being PCland than anything else, is what people were getting at.
Just you wait until the end of the gen though. It's going to be close apparently.
More seriously all the recent news about strong PS4 lead in territories outside US sure shows why MS has resorted to all the deals, price drops and big holiday push in US for XB1: without US (and to a lesser extent UK but primarily US) the console would be way behind by now.
Perhaps someone can make an article removing US from XB1 sales to show the global picture more clearly without that region skewing things?
Seems a bit pointless. I mean, of course the biggest market for games in the world skews things. Thats why so much stuff is tailored to US tastes, even quirky stuff like Codename Steam when portables take a backseat to consoles there. Doesn't mean the portable market there still isn't worth bothering with.
I think everyone knows what a picture of global sales for XBO/PS4 without the US would look like.
Xbone without the US numbers is the same or even worse as Wii U without Japan....
I was just joking - referencing the article that removed Japan from evaluating PS4 vs XB1 because it was skewing understanding their relative performance.
Although actually, there is more justification from analysis XB1 without US than PS4 without Japan as it is a bigger outlier relative to other markets for XB1 than say Japan is for PS4.
Somewhere between January and March I saw an Evolve ad with the Xbox One cover displayed very prominently in every ad break of Comedy Central between 6pm and 10pm or so.
Germany btw
In 2013 the Wii & 360 were dead, only the PS3 was alive, what the hell are you talking about?