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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 - Sundays on HBO

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bodyofanamerican

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Previews don't look much better.
If the fucking Mannis doesn't Karl Tanner Ramsay before the end of this season, I'm going to fucking scream.

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nd it looks like Sansa is back to being terrorized.
God DAMMIT.
 
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Fuzzy

I would bang a hot farmer!
I remember thinking to myself how much I was enjoying this season because I wasn't participating as much in this thread as in the past. Well, that's over.
 
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m_shortpants

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Ramsay has to now die the most horrible death. It was one thing for him to be a sadistic fucker, but raping one of the main characters on wedding night...good lord.
 
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Violater

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Why are you guys calling it rape?
At what point did she say no?
Surely not when little finger told her what the plan was, wasn't when she was asked if she would marry him tonight.
Detestable ... yes, but she must have seen the person he is.
 
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Hasphat'sAnts

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Violater said:
Why are you guys calling it rape?
At what point did she say no?
Surely not when little finger told her what the plan was, wasn't when she was asked if she would marry him tonight.
Detestable ... yes, but she must have seen the person he is.
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Wow. You sir.

Never mind. Not gonna say nothing
 
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Showaddy

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someday said:
It really was but it wasn't Sansa Stark. I hated that stuff in the books but at the very least I hadn't been following her family's story for 4000 pages (or whatever it was by then).
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Though I suppose this puts us in the shoes of all the Northerners at Winterfell having to listen to 'Arya' getting brutally raped by Ramsay.
 
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bodyofanamerican

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Yep, I agree with everyone that says Ramsay just signed his death warrant. Him or Roose HAVE to get offed by the Mannis or Sansa/Reek.

But (preview)
I'm terrified for Sansa saying "my family still has allies" because lol nope, that woman is Gramsay Bolton.
 
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Jibbajabbawockky

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Wizerd said:
It grabs people's attention? I don't know with this show anymore, man.
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I feel like that's the one card that D&D keep playing when they venture out without the guidance of book material- just shock people with rape or deaths like Barristan for the sake of death.

Of course, who knows what'll happen with Sansa in the books. Maybe Harry the Heir isn't such a great guy and ends up raping Sansa just like they had Ramsey do? If anything, I'm kind of more interested in the books at this point to see if (hopefully) GRRM has some better developments in store that don't just feel like they're out to shock for the sake of shocking.


The biggest travesty of this season is how they're completely bungling Theon/Reek's storyline. Granted its hard to do an introspective story like that on TV but his material is easily the best in ADwD and its mostly been completely absent.
 
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m_shortpants said:
Ramsay has to now die the most horrible death. It was one thing for him to be a sadistic fucker, but raping one of the main characters on wedding night...good lord.
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But in the end, thats lazy writing, is easy to make you hate a character with shit like this. If he dies it wouldnt be all right again.
 
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Rootbeer

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Personally, I feel this rape was worse than the Dany/Drogo one for a number of reasons. Drogo did come to truly love her, and her him. He was acting more in the custom of his people, I presume. Not that it made it excusable or any easier to witness.

But this... it was nothing like that. There will be no love or redemption for Ramsey. He is doing it only out of cruelty.
 
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PhoenixDark

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As I've said, these guys just don't get it. They'd probably be in better position to deal with the inevitable backlash if not for that ridiculous rape scene last season, but now I fully expect the wolves to be set on them.

There is no subtlety, everything is done to the extreme or excess; so of course all the sexual stuff feels exploitative and ugly instead of displaying sexual horror in a "tasteful" way. There's a part in ACOK where Arya runs across a woman who is so damaged that the only word she can say is "no." The books are full of that type of subtlety; you don't know what happened to the woman...but yet you do know. Weiss and Benioff would read that and decide it would be great idea to show why she only says no. And that has been their take on Game Of Throne since the beginning.
 
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fallengorn

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Jibbajabbawockky said:
The biggest travesty of this season is how they're completely bungling Theon/Reek's storyline. Granted its hard to do an introspective story like that on TV but his material is easily the best in ADwD and its mostly been completely absent.
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Precisely why we're not getting much Reek stuff. Plus, he's pretty much where D&D need him to be. We just need to know he's a broken man.
 
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Lothar

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Wow, discussion is going to be fun this week. This is the topic all week long.

So I thought she at least would have tried to stab him when they were alone in the room. But she planned nothing? They've made Sansa into one of the dumbest characters in the history of television.
 
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Crashdown

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Surely there was a better path for this Sansa story to take? They've already established "Hey! Ramsey is a bad guy!" Was that really necessary?

I've been on board with most of this season, but when the showrunners have to completely deviate from the book and write new code, the results are really all over the place.
 
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Lautaro said:
Welp, I guess when you don't have material to make the show entertaining, HBO just go for shock value.

I just don't see the point of this Sansa/Ramsay arc.
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^^

I am starting to think that the people running this show have no clue what made the books so good and are now just trying to create shock moments without any respect for the character arcs to replicate the moments that were in the first 3 seasons.

None of that Ramsay Sansa plotline makes any sense at all for any of the characters involved, and it backtracks all of last seasons talk about Sansa becoming a player instead of a piece in the game.

Plus it is just completely unpleasant to watch, and without any sign of Manderly and Mance being dead, there is little to look forward to in that plot line.

Crashdown said:
Surely there was a better path for this Sansa story to take? They've already established "Hey! Ramsey is a bad guy!" Was that really necessary?

I've been on board with most of this season, but when the showrunners have to completely deviate from the book and write new code, the results are really all over the place.
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I'd say the majority of the show changes have been changes for the worse, but mostly understandable for reasons of time, but I think the butterfly effect of the changes they've made has started to have a major effect on the narrative integrity, and they are backtracking seasons worth of character development for no real reason other than they have to because they need to combine characters to streamline the story.
 
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scosher

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If it weren't for that final scene and that awful Sand Snakes sub-plot/fight, this would've been a good episode. Unfortunately, those two scenes literally ruined this episode and possibly the season completely, and made me lose faith in whatever ad-lib storylines the showrunners are trying to weave here.
 
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Violater

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m_shortpants said:
It was still rape then too. It's unconsenting.
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Lautaro said:
Did you were living under a rock? a lot of people complaint about it.
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I hope people complained just as much for Lollys because that was actual fucking rape.
Not the scheming "pseudo" consent that was Daney and to a much lesser degree Sanasa.
If they were both draggged off to their husbands kicking and screaming then yes I would agree wholeheartedly.

As this is no longer the same story as the book we need to stop treating it like a 1:1 adaptation.
 
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bodyofanamerican

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PhoenixDark said:
As I've said, these guys just don't get it. They'd probably be in better position to deal with the inevitable backlash if not for that ridiculous rape scene last season, but now I fully expect the wolves to be set on them.

There is no subtlety, everything is done to the extreme or excess; so of course all the sexual stuff feels exploitative and ugly instead of displaying sexual horror in a "tasteful" way. There's a part in ACOK where Arya runs across a woman who is so damaged that the only word she can say is "no." The books are full of that type of subtlety; you don't know what happened to the woman...but yet you do know. Weiss and Benioff would read that and decide it would be great idea to show why she only says no. And that has been their take on Game Of Throne since the beginning.
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Nailed it. I mean, you can carry that over to Jeyne too. You don't know WHAT Ramsay did to her beyond the shit with Reek on their wedding night. Did she refuse to do stuff with dogs? Did Ramsay threaten to cut her feet off? The blanks our minds fill in are 100 times more horrifying than whatever GRRM could tell us.
 
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Hasphat'sAnts

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Violater said:
I hope people complained just as much for Lollys because that was actual fucking rape.
Not the scheming "pseudo" consent that was Daney and to a much lesser degree Sanasa.
If they were both draggged off to their husbands kicking and screaming then yes I would agree wholeheartedly.

As this is no longer the same story as the book we need to stop treating it like a 1:1 adaptation.
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And. We. Are.

In a world without the books, this is still horrendous character development.

"Look at all this progress she's made! LOL! Just kidding, she's now a victim again."
 
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Tevren

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Knew that was coming, but still felt really bad to watch.

The show stealer though, was Arya's scene with the girl. That was great all around. Shame it's likely to buried beneath backlash for that ending.
 
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Dysun

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Enjoyed the King's Landing scenes. Dorne was awful and short as predicted, no idea why they didn't just drop it altogether with the hacking they've taken to other stuff this year.
Myranda feels like filler, just another prop to kill off in the next few weeks. lol at those who said Sansa still had 'agency' and this arc invention by D&D was consistent with moving her character forward
 
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Violater

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Hasphat'sAnts said:
And. We. Are.

In a world without the books, this is still horrendous character development.

"Look at all this progress she's made! LOL! Just kidding, she's now a victim again."
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I never understood what people see in her character, she is a self admitted stupid little girl.
In my eyes until she manages to save "herself" and not constantly depend on someone she will never truly be a strong character.
 
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