SliceSabre
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Nor does it imply optimal games either.
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Nikkei: Nintendo's NX platform will use an Android OS
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And_Gignac
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Please be a phone. This is the perfect time, considering Samsung's diminishing market share.
PumpkinSpice
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So does this eliminate the possibility of an x86 processor?
Seems extremely likely.
No? There are X86 phones and tablets running Android.
neogaffer1
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Please be a phone. This is the perfect time, considering Samsung's diminishing market share.
No it isn't, we finally have a time where smaller companies like Moto and OnePlus can make incredibly niche products and still be successful, we don't need Nintendo to come in to throw a wrench into those plans.
RIP NX. It was fun while it lasted.
Why?
What does it mean exactly?
I know nothing about OS and things like that.
It means that environment and kernel will be taken from OS that is tested on every possible hardware for years now. Core OS experience and the way apps are managed will be created by Nintendo [API, hardware access], and devs will have more streamlined way of creating games.
As for similarities with normal phone Android, there will not be much on the surface. No rooting, no sideloading apps, no way to easily break into the system. Think of it as Nintendo not making their own crappy OS, but getting a already battle-tested linux-based OS that can work on any type of modern hardware [X86, ARM, Radeon GPUs...]. If they fail with OS and hardware now... then they are truly inept and idiotic.
LordOcidax
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You Know... NintendoomWhy?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
RIP NX. It was fun while it lasted.
1. It doesn't mean it will be susceptible to piracy.
2. It doesn't mean it will be on inferior hardware.
I guess I'm not getting this doom and gloom.
bennywhatever
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As long as the hardware is significantly more powerful than PS4 and X1 I'm ok with whatever OS Nintendo uses.
I'm pretty sure we all know this isn't going to happen.
I never replied to your post, but I still won't eat crow on it because once again
1) You assume that the NX will replace the Wii U
2) You used no sources outside of speculation
3) You still are screaming to the high heavens how this HAS to replace the Wii U
So no, I still completely disagree with your original post. From my opinion, I think the NX is trying to be a "between" system from their home consoles and their portable consoles. But feel free the scream about crow and being all vindictive.
The point of the thread is not related to whether or not the NX will replace the Wii U. Contrary to what you believe about my opinion, I am undecided as to whether NX is a home console, portable console, or third pillar.
The point is that I confidently believe their next platform(s) will run Android. This is due to the reasons listed in that thread, as well as the rhetoric Iwata has been spouting for the last couple of years which is also contained in this thread.
I want to reiterate that I don't care about the argument of what NX is since there is nothing there to create a prediction from.
If you are going to focus on the argument of whether NX is a console, a portable, or a third pillar, you are missing the point entirely.
Empyrean Heaven
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Don't most game developers hate working with Android because it's so easy to pirate games and Google provides no assistance to keep with the open nature of the platform?
If that's the case, Nintendo is trying to repair their body by setting it on fire.
If that's the case, Nintendo is trying to repair their body by setting it on fire.
Install this new Android based OS on existing Wii U and New 3DS hardware, or buy the new NX hardware. Existing Wii U Pro controllers and Wii Remotes are bluetooth, so why not continue to use those. They'll keep Wii U/N3DS owners happy by making them forward compatible.
*Or should I say, Would it be possible to install a custom version of Android on Wii U and New 3DS?
*Or should I say, Would it be possible to install a custom version of Android on Wii U and New 3DS?
I dont know why some peoples think OS=Graphics...
I had to look this stuff up, I had no idea the Nvidia Shield was that good, I assumed the only way you'd get games like this on it was through streaming. Makes me super hopeful for the next Nintendo handheld.
Now...imagine the Nvidia Shield with Alienware Alpha hardware...just a hypothetical. I really wasnt curious about NX all that much...but reading up on Alienware Alpha, remembering Nvidia Shield...Nintendo has a shot to capture some interest from ppl that lost interest before. If they do away with physical media....their prices have to come down for older games. Has to. I hope they stick with physical media tho.
As far as 3rd world OS type comments...if it was rumored to have Steam OS would ppl still say that? Steam OS is based off Linux. Or are the comments more of an Apple vs Android thing.....dont tell me along with console wars we also have to deal with this too... I usually dont go in Android or iOS type threads so it may have already been here...lol.
……forgetit
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Don't most game developers hate working with Android because it's so easy to pirate games and Google provides no assistance to keep with the open nature of the platform?
If that's the case, Nintendo is trying to repair their body by setting it on fire.
Based on android doesn't mean full android. This doesn't mean it'll be easy to pirate games for.
……forgetit
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This grows my expectations that it's a phone-gaming hybrid. I already expected the focus to be Android, somehow to finally mix core gaming and a phone together.
Would explain the third pillar talk.
It won't be a phone, but if it is it'll fail big time.
Also "third pillar" is PR speak, they said the same thing about the GBA.
Don't most game developers hate working with Android because it's so easy to pirate games and Google provides no assistance to keep with the open nature of the platform?
If that's the case, Nintendo is trying to repair their body by setting it on fire.
Don't you think Nintendo themselves might provide that assistance?
Don't most game developers hate working with Android because it's so easy to pirate games and Google provides no assistance to keep with the open nature of the platform?
If that's the case, Nintendo is trying to repair their body by setting it on fire.
Thats because AOSP, and Roms based on it are open, and easy to modified, making the games easier to pirate.
Android itself can be locked down, and the source can be protected, because its Apache license.
silvermember
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Classic GAF
overreacting based entirely out of ignorance.
1. Android does not imply handheld. I guess the chromebook is a handheld.
2. x86 can be used for android, look at the Zenfone 2 as a more recent example.
3. Nintendo has no reason to release a tablet or handheld only console.
4. Stop overreacting based on snip of information. Playing the wait and see approach works here. If you are right in your overreacting OK, life goes on.
overreacting based entirely out of ignorance.
1. Android does not imply handheld. I guess the chromebook is a handheld.
2. x86 can be used for android, look at the Zenfone 2 as a more recent example.
3. Nintendo has no reason to release a tablet or handheld only console.
4. Stop overreacting based on snip of information. Playing the wait and see approach works here. If you are right in your overreacting OK, life goes on.
Maybe in some ways, but still - a lot of the patents MS holds are because they were one of the first smartphone developers with windows mobile. Don't know how much of those are valid for non-phone devices.I wonder If Nintendo will have to pay MS(for the pattens) like other Android hardware companies like Samsung, etc
Also, nintendo holds a whole series of important handheld patents of their own where they can implement certain aspects to run things in their own pattented ways.
Don't most game developers hate working with Android because it's so easy to pirate games and Google provides no assistance to keep with the open nature of the platform?
If that's the case, Nintendo is trying to repair their body by setting it on fire.
If they are fine with how easy it is to mod the Wii and Wii U....I think they will be fine using Android.
If you can lock the bigger retail games to specific hardware all they would have to worry about is mobile games. Piracy is gonna happen, no matter what you do to prevent it. All you can do really is make it harder for it to be done.
And seeing as how Cydia for iDevices was out and in use before Android was so popular....I dont think them using Android will be that bad.
Wouldn't it be easy to install whatever apk is needed to play games on any Android console?
Maybe I'm missing something here... Seems ripe for piracy.
Nintendo would have plenty of power to make that difficult, here. They'd just end up doing exactly what they're doing to try to squash 3DS exploits: update.
neogaffer1
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Classic GAF
overreacting based entirely out of ignorance.
1. Android does not imply handheld. I guess the chromebook is a handheld.
2. x86 can be used for android, look at the Zenfone 2 as a more recent example.
3. Nintendo has no reason to release a tablet or handheld only console.
4. Stop overreacting based on snip of information. Playing the wait and see approach works here. If you are right in your overreacting OK, life goes on.
Technically chromebooks run Chrome OS, but you are correct about Android not meaning handheld.
Nintendo would have plenty of power to make that difficult, here. They'd just end up doing exactly what they're doing to try to squash 3DS exploits: update.
For their console, this may be possible.
But much like the Remote Play functionality was ripped from the Xperia and ported to basically any Android device, couldn't the same happen to whatever service is used to play games on the console?
That's mainly what I was referring to.
InsaneZero
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This grows my expectations that it's a phone-gaming hybrid. I already expected the focus to be Android, somehow to finally mix core gaming and a phone together.
Would explain the third pillar talk.
This expectation goes directly against one of the very few things Nintendo has explicitly said about the NX, which is:
1. It's a dedicated gaming system (emphasis on dedicated)
2. It's not a smart device (meaning that it's not a multipurpose device - ie: phone/tablet)
Don't forget people here keep links to threads for years - you can be quoted on this when you talk about your new Nintendo console in Q4 2017.
(although being released in 2012, that would give the console a 5 year lifespan)
Anybody and everybody is free to quote me, 'cos I always mean what I say and I always stick by what I say. If the Wii U doesn't get a FULL 5 years I will never again buy anything whatsoever from Nintendo - EVER.
Also, FYI, this may open up the NX to UE4 support. UE4 supports Android already pretty well, and it's improving all the time.
Epic will never, ever directly support Nintendo hardware. Not in their DNA.
For their console, this may be possible.
But much like the Remote Play functionality was ripped from the Xperia and ported to basically any Android device, couldn't the same happen to whatever service is used to play games on the console?
That's mainly what I was referring to.
It depends on how Nintendo handles the kernel, and the software layer api
So assuming this is true, would that make WiiU backwards compatibility impossible? Orr....
Why would they implement backwards compatibility for what is likely to be their least popular console ever?
Can someone who knows tell us what the benefits of this would be?
It's in this thread a few times, but at the least it would mean they don't have to write their own 64bit multicore operating system with modern network hooks,memory management, cpu load, ... It would also need less debugging/testing/prototyping as android is a proven, stable and well documented environment based on linux.
Let's say it would save their top internal engineers 1.5 years of work and let's them focus instead on the middleware/API's/SDK, security and UI layers instead.
Anybody and everybody is free to quote me, 'cos I always mean what I say and I always stick by what I say. If the Wii U doesn't get a FULL 5 years I will never again buy anything whatsoever from Nintendo - EVER.
I'd say your safe, because it's very unlikely Wii U will get replaced before Q4 2017. (3DS on the other hand, I'd guess Q4 2016...)
cleveridea
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Don't most game developers hate working with Android because it's so easy to pirate games and Google provides no assistance to keep with the open nature of the platform?
If that's the case, Nintendo is trying to repair their body by setting it on fire.
This is a problem with mobile games in general - people are used to games being free.
It used to be that iOS was far ahead in terms of gaming revenue but Android is catching up just through sheer numbers (worldwide market share is near 80%, though way less in USA - about equal with iOS)
On the plus side, Android (and presumably Unity) means a huge audience of developers can target the platform for digital games. You can use Java (and optionally C++) which are very popular languages.
Plus, they will likely want a custom app store anyway and control the source of games that way.
Epic will never, ever directly support Nintendo hardware. Not in their DNA.
I don't suppose you have any evidence for this assertion?
Vanillalite
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So assuming this is true, would that make WiiU backwards compatibility impossible? Orr....
Wii U BC was always gonna be a pain in the ass cause nobody fucking is gonna use an IBM PowerPC for anything console these days. Shit is a relic from days gone by.
For their console, this may be possible.
But much like the Remote Play functionality was ripped from the Xperia and ported to basically any Android device, couldn't the same happen to whatever service is used to play games on the console?
That's mainly what I was referring to.
It could theoretically happen, but would it really matter if this system is put in place so it's easier to port stuff around? Similar to how interest in homebrew (excluding 3DS) sort of died down for a while after app stores and digital store regulations lessened.
It depends on how Nintendo handles the kernel
I admit that I understand very little of how this stuff works beneath the surface... But it seems like anything that's on Android is eventually ripped, which leads me to believe that it's a relatively uniform experience regardless of platform.
……forgetit
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No it won't! So Nintendo's new console can run all the games I have bought for my Wii U, but I have to shell out for a new console to play new games. If the Wii U doesn't last a "normal" length of time, Nintendo can go *&$£45$%%$%^$ and &$£%&$ themselves if they think I would put up with that (feel free to fill in your own expletives). I, for one, would never ever buy anything from Nintendo ever again.
However, to be fair, Iwata has said that they would stick by the loyal fans who bought a Wii U, so your scenario should not happen (if you can trust what Iwata said and it wasn't just PR bullshit).
I mean it's being announced next year, if it releases next year and replaces the Wii u then you're only being cut short one year from a regular hardware cycle. It's really not that big of a deal.
Why would they implement backwards compatibility for what is likely to be their least popular console ever?
Because it is home to what is arguably some the greatest games they've ever made.
However, to be fair, Iwata has said that they would stick by the loyal fans who bought a Wii U, so your scenario should not happen (if you can trust what Iwata said and it wasn't just PR bullshit).
Assuming you are American, GameCube got 5 years and 1 day before being replaced by Wii. It was a sadder situation for Europeans, who only got 4.5 years out of their GameCubes.
This was under the leadership of Iwata.
Remember, the GameCube was more commercially successful than the Wii U.
And just in case you've forgotten what the Wii was – it was, in reality, a GameCube with a new form factor, slightly increased specs, and a new controller. "The console you already have, but repackaged with a new controller."
We should also not forget that Nintendo DS was released as a trojan horse just 3.5 years after the Game Boy Advance.
Unless he explicitly states "the Wii U will have a guaranteed lifetime of X years," don't be surprised if Iwata cuts short the life of Wii U, as he has a track record of this and it has brought success to the company in the past.
nephilimdj
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Only real way I can see this being doom and gloom, is if Nintendo do a Valve, 10,000 meme runs and angry bird clones sell really good thanks to easy porting (blackberry style) on NX android OS.
Suddenly no reason to release premium content as much.
Suddenly no reason to release premium content as much.