Yes but it's gaf so this thread is actually much longer than the news one.
Anyway yes, it's a bummer but 60fps had to take precedence. It's not just aesthetics- the entire simulation is built on that framerate.
End of conversation.
Yes but it's gaf so this thread is actually much longer than the news one.
Anyway yes, it's a bummer but 60fps had to take precedence. It's not just aesthetics- the entire simulation is built on that framerate.
I agree with this 100%. It's hilarious how because one feature that has no impact in the overall quality of the game is automatically a "OMG no split screen?? Halo is no longer Halo!" seriously? Look at everything else they're offering. Look at the bigger picture! The days of playing split screen will soon die out completely.
There it is. Thanks for the rationale
I agree 60FPS should take priority. Unfortunately, the goalposts keep on moving.
Sad...
How you could be anything other than anti 343 after the MCC is beyond me. To be already bragging to the internet that you have the memory of a goldfish and are pre-ordering this game blows my mind even more so.This 2015 not 2001-2007 where split screen is really popular. PSN and Xbox Live is so big that they (and other developers) will probably realize split screen isn't worth the resources anymore.
343i seems to be really trying with this game.
You're the anti343
Split screen was the reason why some of us played Halo. Without it the game is just another first person shooter and there are already a ton of those.
Let me turn this around. Imagine that instead of split screen it was online multiplayer that got canceled. Would you still say "Oh it's just one feature that got cut." Well to me splitscreen to me is like online multiplayer to others. That is to say that it's a BIG F'ing DEAL!!!
I share the blame equally among all the developers who were involved in the project, it wasn't just 343i, people seem to forget that.How you could be anything other than anti 343 after the MCC is beyond me. To be already bragging to the internet that you have the memory of a goldfish and are pre-ordering this game blows my mind even more so.
This 2015 not 2001-2007 where split screen is really popular. PSN and Xbox Live is so big that they (and other developers) will probably realize split screen isn't worth the resources anymore.
343i seems to be really trying with this game.
You're the anti343
I won't miss it in all honesty.
But what I truly find amazing, is the fact that a negative halo 5 thread gets more posts than a positive one that lists all the good points!
How is that even possible?
I share the blame equally among all the developers who were involved in the project, it wasn't just 343i, people seem to forget that.
Halo 4 & 5 will be the games I judge 343i, an in house product.
How about all of the people who played the original games now have kids they play with or, play with each other. Does that not make sense? It has nothing to do with 2015 (based on this thread) Xbox Live doesn't fill that void.
It's a nice come back though, at least a nice try. They have put out console based Halo game twice, one tore the community apart and the other was a total disaster. So now you have just about every defining quality of Halo being changed.
Reduction in local MP. (know how many times we fire up 4 player Halo local?)
No local campaign co-op
ADS
Sprint
Clamber
So other than being a spartan, every single component of the game is changing.
Playing games with friends in the same room is an 'antiquated 90s feature"!?
Oh boy...i feel old.
I do not like removing features, but I also do not want to go back to 30 fps Halo. If it cant be done for whatever reason then so be it.
I won't miss it in all honesty.
But what I truly find amazing, is the fact that a negative halo 5 thread gets more posts than a positive one that lists all the good points!
How is that even possible?
I share the blame equally among all the developers who were involved in the project, it wasn't just 343i, people seem to forget that.
Halo 4 & 5 will be the games I judge 343i, an in house product.
I know you are upset but please understand. It is no way the same scenario. The bolded in no way describes the current FPS landscape in regards to halo imo
So your issue is with 343i in general, rather than the omission of local coop for Halo 5 in particular?
Got it...
Yes but it's gaf so this thread is actually much longer than the news one.
Anyway yes, it's a bummer but 60fps had to take precedence. It's not just aesthetics- the entire simulation is built on that framerate.
Playing games with friends in the same room is an 'antiquated 90s feature"!?
Oh boy...i feel old.
How about all of the people who played the original games now have kids they play with or, play with each other. Does that not make sense? It has nothing to do with 2015 (based on this thread) Xbox Live doesn't fill that void.
It's a nice come back though, at least a nice try. They have put out console based Halo game twice, one tore the community apart and the other was a total disaster. So now you have just about every defining quality of Halo being changed.
Reduction in local MP. (know how many times we fire up 4 player Halo local?)
No local campaign co-op
ADS
Sprint
Clamber
So other than being a spartan, every single component of the game is changing.
Why? Saying that the game runs at a high resolution/framerate therefore there isn't enough power for split-screen is the opposite of logical, because resolution and framerate are some of the easiest things to reduce. Look at it from the other end; if a system can barely run a game at say, 720/30fps, then it's plausible that any attempt to include split-screen would require significant cutbacks. If it's breezing through it at 4K/120fps, then clearly there's power to spare.Not sure if serious?
What seems strange to me is people discrediting and ignoring other people's priorities and preferences for obnoxious and specious reasons in order to defend a product that they have no personal investment in. Being disappointed in these sorts of decisions doesn't make one a whiny entitled brat who thinks the developers are evil and incompetent. They have decided that enough of their audience will be largely unaffected by these decisions and that they are therefore acceptable to make from a commercial standpoint. That's fine, and if you are part of the majority unaffected by the decision it's fine to make your approval heard. But you don't need to then defend those decisions and attack the minority who are affected by them.It seems strange to me. Why would someone flat out not buy this game because an antiquated late 90s feature isn't included? Aren't you buying the game in the first place because the game is good?
I mean if people are going to abandon Halo 5 simply over that, then their game libraries must be awfully barren.
Yes but it's gaf so this thread is actually much longer than the news one.
Anyway yes, it's a bummer but 60fps had to take precedence. It's not just aesthetics- the entire simulation is built on that framerate.
Anyway yes, it's a bummer but 60fps had to take precedence. It's not just aesthetics- the entire simulation is built on that framerate.
I grew up playing split screen multi player in the Halo ce, Halo 2 era. I know that feeling of playing with your buddies on the same tv and having a party and what not but these are different times. Nowadays is all about "Hey man are you gonna be on tonight?" no more is it "hey man, wanna come over and play halo?" those times have moved on.Split screen was the reason why some of us played Halo. Without it the game is just another first person shooter and there are already a ton of those.
Let me turn this around. Imagine that instead of split screen it was online multiplayer that got canceled. Would you still say "Oh it's just one feature that got cut." Well to me splitscreen to me is like online multiplayer to others. That is to say that it's a BIG F'ing DEAL!!!
It's unfortunate but those coach buddy moments won't exist anymore but to completely disregard a whole game because of one feature is utter ridiculous.How about all of the people who played the original games now have kids they play with or, play with each other. Does that not make sense? It has nothing to do with 2015 (based on this thread) Xbox Live doesn't fill that void.
It's a nice come back though, at least a nice try. They have put out console based Halo game twice, one tore the community apart and the other was a total disaster. So now you have just about every defining quality of Halo being changed.
Reduction in local MP. (know how many times we fire up 4 player Halo local?)
No local campaign co-op
ADS
Sprint
Clamber
So other than being a spartan, every single component of the game is changing.
I'm sure there was a deadline to met by Microsoft but once again I'm not defending MCC. Just that it was a group fuck up rather than just 343's.343 had no problem releasing the content that others(and themselves) shoddily put together for them without saying a word. But sure thing buddy.
Uh, people are sick of making concessions to their favorite series while putting up with shit releases twice in a row?
Uh, 343 is the caretaker and the studio. Anything developed under their watch is 100% their responsibility. Maybe the developers they chose weren't up to the task or the unified UI was a bad idea to begin with.
and how do you judge Halo 4?
One that doesn't involve the inconvenience and extra investment of buying twice as many consoles and televisions and having room to put them?You can still do that, just in a much, much better way.
How is it ridiculous? I bought Halo on the basis that the franchise was really popular and I wanted to see what is was all about. I bought every subsequent game because I really liked the splitscreen co-op campaign. That is quite literally the only reason I got into the series. If that is gone, I have no reason to buy the next Halo game. Just because this feature isn't valuable to you doesn't mean that it isn't extremely valuable to other people.It's unfortunate but those coach buddy moments won't exist anymore but to completely disregard a whole game because of one feature is utter ridiculous.
It's unfortunate but those coach buddy moments won't exist anymore but to completely disregard a whole game because of one feature is utter ridiculous.
How is it ridiculous? I bought Halo on the basis that the franchise was really popular and I wanted to see what is was all about. I bought every subsequent game because I really liked the splitscreen co-op campaign. That is quite literally the only reason I got into the series. If that is gone, I have no reason to buy the next Halo game. Just because this feature isn't valuable to you doesn't mean that it isn't extremely valuable to other people.
I understand that, these are all opinions of mine that I'm expressing as are you guys but imo there's much more the game has to offer other than split screen so you would losing out on much of the game but if you feel split screen takes priority over everything then that's your personal choice . I simply just don't agree with it.Almost the entire time I've spent playing MCC had been couch co-op. I basically left singleplayer & online near completely untouched. Removing the only mode I play is pretty damn good reason to disregard a game.
So FIFA needs split screen now does it?
Yes. SPLIT SCREEN is an incredibly antiquated 90s feature. Plenty of games allow couch co op that don't require you split your screen. The funny thing is, our screens are so much bigger so you'd think split screen wouldn't have died the way it did, but the advent of widescreen meant splitting your screen just looks like shit. Even on a 50".
You can still do that, just in a much, much better way.
...an antiquated late 90s feature
Too many people ITT are unaware that split-screen multiplayer is still in, which is what I think most of you play rather than split-screen co-op campaign. It still kinda sucks though, but to say "I'm out" over solely something like this is childish.
How is it ridiculous? I bought Halo on the basis that the franchise was really popular and I wanted to see what is was all about. I bought every subsequent game because I really liked the splitscreen co-op campaign. That is quite literally the only reason I got into the series. If that is gone, I have no reason to buy the next Halo game. Just because this feature isn't valuable to you doesn't mean that it isn't extremely valuable to other people.
It's really sad to me that you consider playing games with your friends together on a couch eating pizza a late 90s antiquated idea :/ for real that's disheartening.
I was born in 1980. I grew up on split screen. But I grew up. I refuse to split my screen now. How is it fun obscuring your view of a game so badly?
Also, I still play games with friends on couches.
Sports games, fighting games, scrolling beat em ups, puzzle games. These don't require I give up screen real estate and game performance to pls locally with friends.
While it's unfortunate, I do think for the vast majority of people ITT it's childish to say "I'm out" over solely something like this.
And I personally am fine with splitting my screen and having shit resolution. I survived N64 4-player, this is a piece of cake. At least we get to play together.
Now we both have different opinions and priorities. Are you saying yours are more valid than mine?
When 95% of your time spent in the campaign was couch coop, it's not farfetched or unreasonable to see it as a must have feature.While it's unfortunate, I do think for the vast majority of people ITT it's childish to say "I'm out" over solely something like this.
Look at it this way. Split screeners are in the minority. Performance and visual nazis are in the majority.
If you include Co op to please the minority who HAVE another option (online co op), you're hurting the majority who have no other option to experience the game with better visuals and performance.