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[Mr_Fern]

Yes but it's gaf so this thread is actually much longer than the news one.


Anyway yes, it's a bummer but 60fps had to take precedence. It's not just aesthetics- the entire simulation is built on that framerate.

End of conversation.

 

[EventHorizon]

I agree with this 100%. It's hilarious how because one feature that has no impact in the overall quality of the game is automatically a "OMG no split screen?? Halo is no longer Halo!" seriously? Look at everything else they're offering. Look at the bigger picture! The days of playing split screen will soon die out completely.

Split screen was the reason why some of us played Halo. Without it the game is just another first person shooter and there are already a ton of those.

Let me turn this around. Imagine that instead of split screen it was online multiplayer that got canceled. Would you still say "Oh it's just one feature that got cut." Well to me splitscreen to me is like online multiplayer to others. That is to say that it's a BIG F'ing DEAL!!!

 

[Savinowned]

This is sad news for lovers of local co-op campaign like myself, but damn you guys really like to make sad news into full on hatred of a studio within a few hours! We have to realize that this is a direction 343 is going and though it is not our favorite, they seem to be really intentional about bringing us a solid experience this year.

While I will be bummed to tell my best buddy that he won't be able to man The Arbiter next to me for this one, I'll be stoked to share other great news about the title for us both to get excited for!

 

[LegalEagleMike]

There it is. Thanks for the rationale

I agree 60FPS should take priority. Unfortunately, the goalposts keep on moving.

Sad...

I do not like removing features, but I also do not want to go back to 30 fps Halo. If it cant be done for whatever reason then so be it.

 

[Mors_Verigo]

Haven't really split-screened anything ever since Xbox Live has been around, Halo 1 LAN parties were good times though.

 

[Princess Carl]

This 2015 not 2001-2007 where split screen is really popular. PSN and Xbox Live is so big that they (and other developers) will probably realize split screen isn't worth the resources anymore.

343i seems to be really trying with this game.

You're the anti343

How you could be anything other than anti 343 after the MCC is beyond me. To be already bragging to the internet that you have the memory of a goldfish and are pre-ordering this game blows my mind even more so.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Split screen was the reason why some of us played Halo. Without it the game is just another first person shooter and there are already a ton of those.

Let me turn this around. Imagine that instead of split screen it was online multiplayer that got canceled. Would you still say "Oh it's just one feature that got cut." Well to me splitscreen to me is like online multiplayer to others. That is to say that it's a BIG F'ing DEAL!!!

I know you are upset but please understand. It is no way the same scenario. The bolded in no way describes the current FPS landscape in regards to halo imo

 

[El_Chino]

How you could be anything other than anti 343 after the MCC is beyond me. To be already bragging to the internet that you have the memory of a goldfish and are pre-ordering this game blows my mind even more so.

I share the blame equally among all the developers who were involved in the project, it wasn't just 343i, people seem to forget that.

Halo 4 & 5 will be the games I judge 343i, an in house product.

 

[CreateNowSleepLater]

This 2015 not 2001-2007 where split screen is really popular. PSN and Xbox Live is so big that they (and other developers) will probably realize split screen isn't worth the resources anymore.

343i seems to be really trying with this game.

You're the anti343

How about all of the people who played the original games now have kids they play with or, play with each other. Does that not make sense? It has nothing to do with 2015 (based on this thread) Xbox Live doesn't fill that void.

It's a nice come back though, at least a nice try. They have put out console based Halo game twice, one tore the community apart and the other was a total disaster. So now you have just about every defining quality of Halo being changed.

Reduction in local MP. (know how many times we fire up 4 player Halo local?)
No local campaign co-op
ADS
Sprint
Clamber

So other than being a spartan, every single component of the game is changing.

 

[Outrun]

I won't miss it in all honesty.

But what I truly find amazing, is the fact that a negative halo 5 thread gets more posts than a positive one that lists all the good points!

How is that even possible?

I never knew how all sentient life collectively felt when the Forerunners activated all Halo rings until this thread....

 

[Princess Carl]

I share the blame equally among all the developers who were involved in the project, it wasn't just 343i, people seem to forget that.

Halo 4 & 5 will be the games I judge 343i, an in house product.

343 had no problem releasing the content that others(and themselves) shoddily put together for them without saying a word. But sure thing buddy.

 

[LogN]

Just another reason why I'm passing this game, my full enjoyment from the franchise came from having my buds over, drinking some beers and playing Halo on the big screen.

Not much sweat off my back though, really.

 

[Outrun]

How about all of the people who played the original games now have kids they play with or, play with each other. Does that not make sense? It has nothing to do with 2015 (based on this thread) Xbox Live doesn't fill that void.

It's a nice come back though, at least a nice try. They have put out console based Halo game twice, one tore the community apart and the other was a total disaster. So now you have just about every defining quality of Halo being changed.

Reduction in local MP. (know how many times we fire up 4 player Halo local?)
No local campaign co-op
ADS
Sprint
Clamber

So other than being a spartan, every single component of the game is changing.

So your issue is with 343i in general, rather than the omission of local coop for Halo 5 in particular?

Got it...

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Playing games with friends in the same room is an 'antiquated 90s feature"!?

Oh boy...i feel old.

So FIFA needs split screen now does it?

Yes. SPLIT SCREEN is an incredibly antiquated 90s feature. Plenty of games allow couch co op that don't require you split your screen. The funny thing is, our screens are so much bigger so you'd think split screen wouldn't have died the way it did, but the advent of widescreen meant splitting your screen just looks like shit. Even on a 50".

 

[Outrun]

I do not like removing features, but I also do not want to go back to 30 fps Halo. If it cant be done for whatever reason then so be it.

Yeah, and if H5 does not hit 1080p, or has dynamic resolution, 343i will be shat on for that also...

We can do better than this GAF.

 

[CreateNowSleepLater]

I won't miss it in all honesty.

But what I truly find amazing, is the fact that a negative halo 5 thread gets more posts than a positive one that lists all the good points!

How is that even possible?

Uh, people are sick of making concessions to their favorite series while putting up with shit releases twice in a row?

I share the blame equally among all the developers who were involved in the project, it wasn't just 343i, people seem to forget that.

Halo 4 & 5 will be the games I judge 343i, an in house product.

Uh, 343 is the caretaker and the studio. Anything developed under their watch is 100% their responsibility. Maybe the developers they chose weren't up to the task or the unified UI was a bad idea to begin with.

and how do you judge Halo 4?

 

[watership]

I can see the reviews now: "Great campaign, fantastic multiplayer, amazing graphics. No split screen multiplayer. 5/10.".

 

[EventHorizon]

I know you are upset but please understand. It is no way the same scenario. The bolded in no way describes the current FPS landscape in regards to halo imo

It absolutly describes my current view of Halo. As I said earlier in this thread, Halo use to be my favorite game. Now it feels like just another FPS. Although I'll admit that the lack of splitscreen was only the last nail in the coffin. The quality of the series has been going down the past couple of games.

I might just have an extreme minority view on this and the lack of splitscreen might not affect sales or the way Halo is perceived. On the other hand I could be the canary in the coal mine.

 

[CreateNowSleepLater]

So your issue is with 343i in general, rather than the omission of local coop for Halo 5 in particular?

Got it...

My issue is with how 343 is handling and developing Halo. This is just another instance of how I think they are mistreating the franchise. Go ahead an pre order the $250 edition though not knowing what it is yet...

Its not like I know them personally, except fro Frankie who I like a lot. That doesn't mean I agree with the games being put out.

 

[zethren]

I played split screen co-op of Halo CE with my father for years, and I'll always hold those memories fondly. It's a contributing factor for my love of the series, really. So I am definitely saddened to hear this. I hope that in doing so it will positively affect something else in the game.

 

[Finaj]

Yes but it's gaf so this thread is actually much longer than the news one.


Anyway yes, it's a bummer but 60fps had to take precedence. It's not just aesthetics- the entire simulation is built on that framerate.

Understandable. Excited to see what you guys show at E3.

 

[Head.spawn]

Playing games with friends in the same room is an 'antiquated 90s feature"!?

Oh boy...i feel old.

You can still do that, just in a much, much better way.

 

[Head.spawn]

How about all of the people who played the original games now have kids they play with or, play with each other. Does that not make sense? It has nothing to do with 2015 (based on this thread) Xbox Live doesn't fill that void.

It's a nice come back though, at least a nice try. They have put out console based Halo game twice, one tore the community apart and the other was a total disaster. So now you have just about every defining quality of Halo being changed.

Reduction in local MP. (know how many times we fire up 4 player Halo local?)
No local campaign co-op
ADS
Sprint
Clamber

So other than being a spartan, every single component of the game is changing.

Those games you are still clamoring for still exist; go play them.

If it were up to the vocal minority, every single Halo game would be a copy/paste of Halo CE, with no gameplay tweaks that happened after the first game, same physics, same run speed, same overpowered pistol, same exact maps, etc etc..

Things need to evolve over time or there is no point in continuing.

edit, sorry for the dbl post.

 

[A More Normal Bird]

Not sure if serious?

Why? Saying that the game runs at a high resolution/framerate therefore there isn't enough power for split-screen is the opposite of logical, because resolution and framerate are some of the easiest things to reduce. Look at it from the other end; if a system can barely run a game at say, 720/30fps, then it's plausible that any attempt to include split-screen would require significant cutbacks. If it's breezing through it at 4K/120fps, then clearly there's power to spare.

Now in this specific case, there are some qualifications. My reply to the other poster was pointing out the flaw in their reasoning, but they actually said that H5 was aiming for 1080p, which I don't think has ever been stated and I think is actually quite unlikely (maybe 900p or the non-square pixel res H2:A used). Then when it comes to framerate Frankie has said that the game logic itself is synced to 60fps, which would make 30fps split-screen a bigger ask.

However it's worth pointing out that this is a conscious decision they have made. In this case, 343i have simply decided that the loss of local co-op is a trade-off that makes commercial sense for the product they're going to release, the same as they did for 4 player local MP and the same as they/MS did for a 20GB day one patch for the MCC. Which brings me to posts like this:

It seems strange to me. Why would someone flat out not buy this game because an antiquated late 90s feature isn't included? Aren't you buying the game in the first place because the game is good?

I mean if people are going to abandon Halo 5 simply over that, then their game libraries must be awfully barren.

What seems strange to me is people discrediting and ignoring other people's priorities and preferences for obnoxious and specious reasons in order to defend a product that they have no personal investment in. Being disappointed in these sorts of decisions doesn't make one a whiny entitled brat who thinks the developers are evil and incompetent. They have decided that enough of their audience will be largely unaffected by these decisions and that they are therefore acceptable to make from a commercial standpoint. That's fine, and if you are part of the majority unaffected by the decision it's fine to make your approval heard. But you don't need to then defend those decisions and attack the minority who are affected by them.

 

[EchoChamber]

Yes but it's gaf so this thread is actually much longer than the news one.


Anyway yes, it's a bummer but 60fps had to take precedence. It's not just aesthetics- the entire simulation is built on that framerate.

i hope one day frank your bald head wil grow one but only one hair and you will have it forever.

 

[Meowster]

Ugh. That's sad to hear.. this was how me and my cousin would play Halo every single summer.

 

[MAtgS]

Anyway yes, it's a bummer but 60fps had to take precedence. It's not just aesthetics- the entire simulation is built on that framerate.

Years from now I hope we'll all have fond precious memories of that framerate. Because that is what one generally remembers the most about a game, isn't it?

 

[v1perz53]

I understand that there could be reasons behind this decision, but it still makes me sad. With my current situation, I can't play games online, but I've had a ton of fun recently playing MCC splitscreen co-op with my brother. Was excited to do the same with 5 but I guess it wont happen. Guess I'm gonna pass on this game, since I find the Halo campaigns to be great fun with 2 or more people, but fundamentally broken and unfun when alone (no respawning).

 

[Tunavi]

The campaign is gonna suck anyway so no worries

And I'm not getting it

And I don't have an xbone anymore

And halo is dead

 

[bigboss370]

still remember having a blast with 4 palyer split-screen co-op and multiplayer in halo 3

 

[El_Chino]

Split screen was the reason why some of us played Halo. Without it the game is just another first person shooter and there are already a ton of those.

Let me turn this around. Imagine that instead of split screen it was online multiplayer that got canceled. Would you still say "Oh it's just one feature that got cut." Well to me splitscreen to me is like online multiplayer to others. That is to say that it's a BIG F'ing DEAL!!!

I grew up playing split screen multi player in the Halo ce, Halo 2 era. I know that feeling of playing with your buddies on the same tv and having a party and what not but these are different times. Nowadays is all about "Hey man are you gonna be on tonight?" no more is it "hey man, wanna come over and play halo?" those times have moved on.

How about all of the people who played the original games now have kids they play with or, play with each other. Does that not make sense? It has nothing to do with 2015 (based on this thread) Xbox Live doesn't fill that void.

It's a nice come back though, at least a nice try. They have put out console based Halo game twice, one tore the community apart and the other was a total disaster. So now you have just about every defining quality of Halo being changed.

Reduction in local MP. (know how many times we fire up 4 player Halo local?)
No local campaign co-op
ADS
Sprint
Clamber

So other than being a spartan, every single component of the game is changing.

It's unfortunate but those coach buddy moments won't exist anymore but to completely disregard a whole game because of one feature is utter ridiculous.

Also Sprint/Loadouts was something started by Bungie with Halo Reach, 343i just carried it over. ADS is supposed to be aesthetic but even then i didn't find myself using it much during the beta but we'll see.I have no issue with Clamber, I enjoyed in Titanfall. It adds something new to Halo's MP.

343 had no problem releasing the content that others(and themselves) shoddily put together for them without saying a word. But sure thing buddy.

I'm sure there was a deadline to met by Microsoft but once again I'm not defending MCC. Just that it was a group fuck up rather than just 343's.

Uh, people are sick of making concessions to their favorite series while putting up with shit releases twice in a row?



Uh, 343 is the caretaker and the studio. Anything developed under their watch is 100% their responsibility. Maybe the developers they chose weren't up to the task or the unified UI was a bad idea to begin with.

and how do you judge Halo 4?

Halo 4 had it's faults as did the Halo's before it. Halo 4's multiple pretty much was Halo Reach's but worse. I enjoy the fact that this trilogy is more about the chief than the entire UNSC/Covenant war and it's effects. Campaign didn't feel as free as Halo 3 but i'm sure that was a trade off for it's visual fidelity.

 

[Darknight34]

Oh man... I'm still in, but I feel for all of the split screen lovers... this is a sad day.

 

[HTupolev]

You can still do that, just in a much, much better way.

One that doesn't involve the inconvenience and extra investment of buying twice as many consoles and televisions and having room to put them?

 

[Palette Swap]

Well, if it's confirmed, I'm out.

 

[timetokill]

Yikes. that's a heavy blow.

the war on local multiplayer continues

 

[EekumBokum]

Man. Some of my best memories of Halo were split-screen campaigns of Halo 1-3 on legendary mode. Shame that that option is gone

 

[SkyOdin]

It's unfortunate but those coach buddy moments won't exist anymore but to completely disregard a whole game because of one feature is utter ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous? I bought Halo on the basis that the franchise was really popular and I wanted to see what is was all about. I bought every subsequent game because I really liked the splitscreen co-op campaign. That is quite literally the only reason I got into the series. If that is gone, I have no reason to buy the next Halo game. Just because this feature isn't valuable to you doesn't mean that it isn't extremely valuable to other people.

 

[sugarman]

Why.

 

[MAtgS]

It's unfortunate but those coach buddy moments won't exist anymore but to completely disregard a whole game because of one feature is utter ridiculous.

Almost the entire time I've spent playing MCC had been couch co-op. I basically left singleplayer & online near completely untouched. Removing the only mode I play is pretty damn good reason to disregard a game.

 

[El_Chino]

How is it ridiculous? I bought Halo on the basis that the franchise was really popular and I wanted to see what is was all about. I bought every subsequent game because I really liked the splitscreen co-op campaign. That is quite literally the only reason I got into the series. If that is gone, I have no reason to buy the next Halo game. Just because this feature isn't valuable to you doesn't mean that it isn't extremely valuable to other people.

Almost the entire time I've spent playing MCC had been couch co-op. I basically left singleplayer & online near completely untouched. Removing the only mode I play is pretty damn good reason to disregard a game.

I understand that, these are all opinions of mine that I'm expressing as are you guys but imo there's much more the game has to offer other than split screen so you would losing out on much of the game but if you feel split screen takes priority over everything then that's your personal choice . I simply just don't agree with it.

 

[Inuhanyou]

So FIFA needs split screen now does it?

Yes. SPLIT SCREEN is an incredibly antiquated 90s feature. Plenty of games allow couch co op that don't require you split your screen. The funny thing is, our screens are so much bigger so you'd think split screen wouldn't have died the way it did, but the advent of widescreen meant splitting your screen just looks like shit. Even on a 50".

You can still do that, just in a much, much better way.

All i hear are apologies for bad decisions from the developers on this one. I literally can't wrap my head around some of these defenses.

 

[CloudyTuba]

...an antiquated late 90s feature

It's really sad to me that you consider playing games with your friends together on a couch eating pizza a late 90s antiquated idea :/ for real that's disheartening.

Too many people ITT are unaware that split-screen multiplayer is still in, which is what I think most of you play rather than split-screen co-op campaign. It still kinda sucks though, but to say "I'm out" over solely something like this is childish.

Different people have different priorities and enjoy a game for different reasons. I dont think it's childish to make a decision based on your own personal enjoyment, that's kind of the whole point of buying the game. We all have different things we like more or less about Halo.

I'm sad about it but I'm not one of those whose purchase is decided by it. However I'm not gunna make judgement about people who are like that.

 

[starsky]

I always play Halo coop on the couch and the removal of this feature will also mean that I won't purchase Halo 5 .

 

[shrek]

While it's unfortunate, I do think for the vast majority of people ITT it's childish to say "I'm out" over solely something like this.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

How is it ridiculous? I bought Halo on the basis that the franchise was really popular and I wanted to see what is was all about. I bought every subsequent game because I really liked the splitscreen co-op campaign. That is quite literally the only reason I got into the series. If that is gone, I have no reason to buy the next Halo game. Just because this feature isn't valuable to you doesn't mean that it isn't extremely valuable to other people.

This confuses me. So the Halo games are shit enough (to you) to not bother playing them on your own, but ok enough for you (and others in this thread apparently) to share that shitness with your friends in the same room?

It's really sad to me that you consider playing games with your friends together on a couch eating pizza a late 90s antiquated idea :/ for real that's disheartening.

I was born in 1980. I grew up on split screen. But I grew up. I refuse to split my screen now. How is it fun obscuring your view of a game so badly?

Also, I still play games with friends on couches.

Sports games, fighting games, scrolling beat em ups, puzzle games. These don't require I give up screen real estate and game performance to play locally with friends.

 

[CloudyTuba]

I was born in 1980. I grew up on split screen. But I grew up. I refuse to split my screen now. How is it fun obscuring your view of a game so badly?

Also, I still play games with friends on couches.

Sports games, fighting games, scrolling beat em ups, puzzle games. These don't require I give up screen real estate and game performance to pls locally with friends.

And I personally am fine with splitting my screen and having shit resolution. I survived N64 4-player and even had a great time doing it. At least we get to play together.

Now we both have different opinions and priorities. Are you saying yours are more valid than mine?

 

[Inuhanyou]

While it's unfortunate, I do think for the vast majority of people ITT it's childish to say "I'm out" over solely something like this.

People value Halo for different reasons, i think its ridiculous for one to say people cant take back a purchase if a make or break feature they care a lot about is cut.

Even for Uncharted Trilogy pack, i don't even see the point of MP in UC cause i never gave a shit about it, but i atleast understood why there were some people who weren't going to buy the game because of that. There are reasons people play these games besides the ones i have

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

And I personally am fine with splitting my screen and having shit resolution. I survived N64 4-player, this is a piece of cake. At least we get to play together.

Now we both have different opinions and priorities. Are you saying yours are more valid than mine?

Look at it this way. Split screeners are in the minority. Performance and visual nazis are in the majority.

If you include Co op to please the minority who HAVE another option (online co op), you're hurting the majority who have no other option to experience the game with better visuals and performance.

 

[Palette Swap]

While it's unfortunate, I do think for the vast majority of people ITT it's childish to say "I'm out" over solely something like this.

When 95% of your time spent in the campaign was couch coop, it's not farfetched or unreasonable to see it as a must have feature.

What is childish is to patronize people who don't have the same priorities as yours.

 

[CloudyTuba]

Look at it this way. Split screeners are in the minority. Performance and visual nazis are in the majority.

If you include Co op to please the minority who HAVE another option (online co op), you're hurting the majority who have no other option to experience the game with better visuals and performance.

How would the inclusion hurt the "majority"? Playing single player or online co-op would still be running at full resolution. If you dont want to splitscreen, dont splitscreen, right?

Did it somehow hurt previous Halos full-screen resolution to have a split-screen option?