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[kamakazi5]

Sorry, I'm out at dinner but the OP is updated.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Ok I put video in Op.

Thank you. Precisely what most people have been saying.

I cannot understand how anybody could possibly be upset by this. This seems like the most democratic method of deciding whether or not a game should exist ever. We literally voted with our wallet.

This is amazing. This is the way funding for game development should go IMO.

People are forgetting: All of this was voluntary.

I think we all know what most of the negative spinners are coming from, or speaking from behind.

 

[entremet]

No PS4 hard copy is weird.

Why? Physical media is dying as a primary game distribution platform.

 

[Metalingus5150]

You know why people are concern trolling. It's cause it ain't coming to Xbone.

 

[hawk2025]

You know why people are concern trolling. It's cause it ain't coming to Xbone.

I don't think it's fair to say this for everyone, and certainly not the OP.

It's best to stick to the arguments being made and countering them, no?

 

[H4r4kiri]

This Thread represents modern Fanboyism and Gaming in a nutshell and it is disgusting to see and it makes me sad.

Y's and Sony give you a opportunity to have a Game "Fans" always wanted and people are bitching that Sony wants prove that it can get to a break even point.

People have to realize that this game is not for the main stream audience or gamers. The Kickstarter is just and only for the Fucking Hardcore Shenmue fans, so they can get a game out, that is most likely a financial disaster or not a game publisher want to fund. And it seems likeFans do not give a shit how this games is done. On average people are paying more than 80$ to get this idea of a game, which is insane.
40.000 Backers for such ,most likely, expensive game is not very much tbh, but it shows that some hardcore people really want that game and really go all in for this.

And now people blame sony to want some kind of security, that they do not lose a shit ton of money ? Ask yourself a question. Why did Microsoft, Nintendo, Sega, Acti, Ea or any other publisher try to get the game or try to fund it or even try help Y's? Because they know, that today this game is so niche and so exotic, that it will not be a main stream success and most likely a very high financial risk, that nobody wanted to take or even consider in 14 years. Sony is willing to take this risk, but wanted proof that people do not only demand that game on Twitter, but also that they are ready to back it up financially and take a little bit of Sony's risk. How is this bad ?

People are getting this game cheaper, when they back it up with 30§, but most people just went crazy backing it up. But as I said it is only the most hardcore niche fans and not the main stream.

Sony gets blaimed for not taking a financial enormous risk and not giving a Niche game to all of you without some kind of security. The most people, who back Shenmue III do not give a shit about how, they are in heaven, that Sony even considers the idea of Shenmue III and they where kind enough to give this exotic game this grand stage.

 

[kevm3]

The more I think about it, I'm ALL for moves like this because we will actually get franchises that we want instead of those 'please beg our publishers' or 'please fill out these surveys' moves Japanese developers have been asking us to do, often with NO result. If this means we can get games like a new Lunar, Grandia, Chrono Trigger, etc., then I'm all for it.

 

[lupinko]

Kickstarter was for the PC version
since this is backed by Sony I doubt there would have been a PC version

Yeah like how Street Fighter 5 is only on PS4 because of Sony money or Grim Fandango Remastered being locked to PS4/Vita.

Oh wait...

 

[Jotaka]

Adamn saying the things touched on in this thread

-Helping out with funding and marketing.
-Kickstarter was made because sometimes it's hard to gauge if people are just passionate on message-boards or if they actually really want a sequel to be made.

The second point is very important because if you remember the Yakuza localization fiasco... message boards asking for localization but the western final sales was bad at the end.... Yakuza and Shemnue are SEGA IPs

 

[Rozart]

No PS4 hard copy is weird.

That made me sad. Not a fan of digital games.

 

[Windom Earle]

So some of you are afraid that Ubisoft will put Assassin's Creed on kickstarter next year? Some of the posts in this thread are so ridiculous and completely ignoring the backstory of Shenmue and the way kickstarter works.
Good to see a majority of level headed posts though.

Also I am sure PS4 retail copies will come one way or another.

 

[jimmythepage]

No PS4 hard copy is weird.

Check the FAQ on the KS

 

[bigbaldwolf86]

Try telling this to the guys who tried to Kickstart a successor to Eternal Darkness, a game many people love and said they wanted a sequel/spiritual successor too.

They failed to raise even $100,000. Twice.

Words are cheap and Sony/Ys Net know this. The kickstarter is now an actual data point that they can take to their bean counters and say "Hey look at these records we just fucking broke overnight. We're totally contributing to this to get a PS4 version!" instead of empty promises from message boards.

After reading the ridiculous complaints from some people it's good to see a post like this. The kickstarter was absolutely the best way to gauge interest in the game and one of the rewards is the game for half price which is great for backers.

It was obvious from the start that Sony would be putting money into this unless people believed Shenmue 3 would literally have a budget of just $2 million.

 

[raphier]

I saw a trailer for Shenmue III

I've read a preview by Yu Suzuki

I have the ability to cancel

Are you seriously implying that some people don't know what they're getting when they back shenmue III?

I am saying that they don't know what is being developed since they don't get to read the design document.Sure it's a shenmue sequel and yes it's done by some great developers with a good record, but you've got only words and no prototypes, no involvement outside PR. Basically they're paying for a promise, a brand. Not a product. What if it turns out bad`? Welp, they funded the project in 2015 as consumers, can't go back to that.

 

[bobbychalkers]

This confirms no Xbox then

not really unless there's some back room deal we don't know about. it's a crowd funded game.

 

[DemonNite]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Kickstarter (I'm an expert), but transparency and honesty are huge parts of it. It's not like it was with Bloodborne where you can become successful by help funding and publishing it. If you help fund a game in Kickstarter, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the fans, after hearing about this, is not going to want to back Shenmue at all, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games they help fund in the future. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move.

Sony, remove all your funding or you can kiss your business goodbye.

 

[fantomena]

This Thread represents moder Fanboyism and Gaming in a nutshell and it is disgusting to see and it makes me sad.

Y's and Sony give you a opportunity to have a Game "Fans" always wanted and people are bitching that Sony whants prove that it can get to a break even point.

People have to realize that this game is not for the main stream audience or gamers. The Kickstarter is just and only for the Fucking Hardcore Shenmue fans, so they can get a game out, that is most likely a financial disaster or not a game publisher want to fund. And it seems likeFans do not give a shit how this games is done. On average people are paying more than 80$ to get this idea of a game, which is insane.
40.000 Backers for such ,most likely, expensive game is not very much tbh, but it shows that some hardcore people really want that game and really go all in for this.

And now people blame sony to want some kind of security, that they do not lose a shit ton of money ? Ask yourself a question. Why did Microsoft, Nintendo, Sega, Acti, Ea or any other publisher try to get the game or try to fund it or even try help Y's? Because they know, that today this game is so niche and so exotic, that it will not be a main stream success and most likely a very high finanical risk, that nobody wanted to take or even consider in 14 years. Sony is willing to take this risk, but wanted proof that people do not only demand that game on Twitter, but also that they are ready to back it up financially and take a little bit of Sony's risk. How is this bad ?

People are getting this game cheaper, when they back it up with 30§, but most people just went crazy backing it up. But as I said it is only the most hardcore niche fans and not the main stream.

Sony gets blaimed for not taking a financial enormous risk and not giving a Niche game to all of you without some kind of security. The most people, who back Shenmue III do not give a shit about how, they are in heaven, that Sony even considers the idea of Shenmue III and they where kind enough to give this exotic game this grand stage.

.

 

[Spaghetti]

the SALT in this thread

a kickstarter is about a million times more effective than a petition because it allows people to put their money where their mouth is

 

[GiantBombGamer]

Good on Sony. I also hope other developers/publishers/investors take this approach to judge the viability of bringing back beloved series from the graves. Obviously Shenmue fans are especially devout, but it seems there is a lot of money being left on the table judging by this, yooka-laylee, Bloodstained, ect.

The fans will put their money where their mouths are if given the opportunity. For too long, that wasn't appreciated. That is one thing I am thankful to Kickstarter for.

 

[Wavebossa]

I cannot understand how anybody could possibly be upset by this. This seems like the most democratic method of deciding whether or not a game should exist ever. We literally voted with our wallet.

This is amazing. This is the way funding for game development should go IMO.

People are forgetting: All of this was voluntary.

Exactly, if E3 was full of the games I wanted and they all had kicstarter pages I would be fine with that. I would donate to the games I wanted and ignored the games I didn't.

Give me a Vaan-less FF12HD or a Last Remnant sequel or a Secret of Mana remake and i'll donate to every single one of those kickstarters.

 

[tiebreaker]

Sony doesn't really have any incentive here outside of some good will. It's not their IP and it never touched Sony's consoles. It's a financial sink hole as far as history can tell.

Yes this could have been more transparent. But I would have prefered a polished game than not being made or looking like ass.

 

[SocksAndShoes]

Adam Boyes on this subject:

https://youtu.be/FRGlVDi3FHQ?t=1m40s

BOOM. Also,

OR they could just launch a kickstarter for it, and then help make it. Which is what they did because it was cheaper and easier. People are literally angry at capitalism right now.

Man it is really taxing being correct about this stuff all the time guys.

I'm exhausted.

 

[legacyzero]

Are people really REALLY complaining about this? Both Sony and Shu are actually MAKING THIS GAME HAPPEN, and FANS are helping gauge the interest, and then we're COMPLAINING?

Just stop.

 

[Elfstruck]

LOL!

 

[Krejlooc]

I don't think it's fair to say this for everyone, and certainly not the OP.

It's best to stick to the arguments being made and countering them, no?

I don't think OP meant for this thread to be taken negatively at all. Hell, when this was posted in the Shenmue 3 thread, people rejoiced. And it was a confirmation of what we'd all been talking about all night long.

 

[KaYotiX]

So over under at $60 million to make?

 

[Kindred Dread]

Why? Physical media is dying as a primary game distribution platform.

That doesn't mean we don't want one though? Why is that any sort of logical reasoning to that statement, especially when the PC version is getting a physical release?

Honestly, Shenmue 3 would be a damn fine game to display on my shelf and I'd be proud to say I own a hard copy.

 

[FranXico]

You know why people are concern trolling. It's cause it ain't coming to Xbone.

The OP had understandable doubts about Sony's transparency in the process. The concern trolls followed later.

 

[border]

Yeah the slippery slope notion that consumers are mindless drones who dump their money into any future campaign is noted. No one is buying it.

"This will probably happen more often" is hardly the same as saying consumers will dump money into any future campaign.

I would note that this is the second time that we've seen a Kickstarter for a project that Sony was shadow-funding.

 

[Wavebossa]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Kickstarter (I'm an expert), but transparency and honesty are huge parts of it. It's not like it was with Bloodborne where you can become successful by help funding and publishing it. If you help fund a game in Kickstarter, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the fans, after hearing about this, is not going to want to back Shenmue at all, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games they help fund in the future. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move.

Sony, remove all your funding or you can kiss your business goodbye.

Lol perfection. This thread needed this.

 

[Corto]

Honestly, I am actually quite surprised that gamers actually want Shenmue 3 in huge demand.

Shenmue 1 did just over a million sales, right? Shenmue 2 did probably what.. 1/3rd of that?

Part of the reason we didn't have Shenmue 3 already was because nobody bought 2. I'm the only person I personally know who even played the game.

..and no offense, if you didn't play Shenmue when it came out.. I'm not sure how a gamer new to the series would probably even enjoy the game all that much. It's pretty dated by todays standards.

I just would feel better about the KS if they were upfront about the funding.

Those games released on a doomed console first and a struggling first comer to the business of console hardware second. They were destined to fail. Word of mouth and a very vocal following can do wonders though.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I don't think it's fair to say this for everyone, and certainly not the OP.

It's best to stick to the arguments being made and countering them, no?

Because most of the arguments being made do not provide substantial/credible arguments as to why they are making them. Straw-man arguments. Disingenuous drive by's.

Most are, "just cause"?

So either you do not want games like Shenmue being made at all, or you are bitter it was no longer Peter Moore's (Phil Spencer's) job resume.

 

[fedexpeon]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Kickstarter (I'm an expert), but transparency and honesty are huge parts of it. It's not like it was with Bloodborne where you can become successful by help funding and publishing it. If you help fund a game in Kickstarter, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the fans, after hearing about this, is not going to want to back Shenmue at all, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games they help fund in the future. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move.

Sony, remove all your funding or you can kiss your business goodbye.

Agreed.
FUCK YOU SONY!
Shenmue fans deserve more transparency than this scam of a sequel.

 

[mugwhump]

Hey, props to Sony, I don't mind this or SFV at all since we're getting PC versions

It was really something watching the kickstarter shoot up in real time yesterday.

 

[Xpliskin]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Kickstarter (I'm an expert), but transparency and honesty are huge parts of it. It's not like it was with Bloodborne where you can become successful by help funding and publishing it. If you help fund a game in Kickstarter, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the fans, after hearing about this, is not going to want to back Shenmue at all, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games they help fund in the future. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move.

Sony, remove all your funding or you can kiss your business goodbye.

10 / 10

 

[Wagram]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Kickstarter (I'm an expert), but transparency and honesty are huge parts of it. It's not like it was with Bloodborne where you can become successful by help funding and publishing it. If you help fund a game in Kickstarter, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the fans, after hearing about this, is not going to want to back Shenmue at all, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games they help fund in the future. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move.

Sony, remove all your funding or you can kiss your business goodbye.

This is the best. Remove it all damn you!

 

[chadskin]

So over under at $60 million to make?

Since they don't develop their own engine this time but license UE4, definitely under.

 

[Cidd]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Kickstarter (I'm an expert), but transparency and honesty are huge parts of it. It's not like it was with Bloodborne where you can become successful by help funding and publishing it. If you help fund a game in Kickstarter, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the fans, after hearing about this, is not going to want to back Shenmue at all, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games they help fund in the future. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move.

Sony, remove all your funding or you can kiss your business goodbye.

lol, oh you.

 

[Erevador]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Kickstarter (I'm an expert), but transparency and honesty are huge parts of it. It's not like it was with Bloodborne where you can become successful by help funding and publishing it. If you help fund a game in Kickstarter, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the fans, after hearing about this, is not going to want to back Shenmue at all, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games they help fund in the future. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move.

Sony, remove all your funding or you can kiss your business goodbye.

Hysterical. So many junior members in this thread will probably not understand this post and jump to express earnest agreement.

 

[Kyoufu]

This is the best.

He's joking...

edit: you stealth editing son of a...

 

[Rozart]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Kickstarter (I'm an expert), but transparency and honesty are huge parts of it. It's not like it was with Bloodborne where you can become successful by help funding and publishing it. If you help fund a game in Kickstarter, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the fans, after hearing about this, is not going to want to back Shenmue at all, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games they help fund in the future. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move.

Sony, remove all your funding or you can kiss your business goodbye.

Haha, careful there. Some people might actually agree with what you're saying.

 

[Dart]

I find it hard to understand the negativity towards the whole situation, I'm convinced the complainers are either misinformed or narcissists bitter that Shenmue might not appear on their console of choice.

 

[EGM1966]

Some people: boo we're getting new entry in franchise.

Some people: yay we're getting new entry in franchise

Bottom line: we're getting new entry in franchise

 

[Aureon]

Why the rage about it?
You can vote with your wallet to make projects that wouldn't happen happen, AND fund like 10-20% of the game.
And you're whining about it?

 

[DeepEnigma]

This Thread represents modern Fanboyism and Gaming in a nutshell and it is disgusting to see and it makes me sad.

Y's and Sony give you a opportunity to have a Game "Fans" always wanted and people are bitching that Sony wants prove that it can get to a break even point.

People have to realize that this game is not for the main stream audience or gamers. The Kickstarter is just and only for the Fucking Hardcore Shenmue fans, so they can get a game out, that is most likely a financial disaster or not a game publisher want to fund. And it seems likeFans do not give a shit how this games is done. On average people are paying more than 80$ to get this idea of a game, which is insane.
40.000 Backers for such ,most likely, expensive game is not very much tbh, but it shows that some hardcore people really want that game and really go all in for this.

And now people blame sony to want some kind of security, that they do not lose a shit ton of money ? Ask yourself a question. Why did Microsoft, Nintendo, Sega, Acti, Ea or any other publisher try to get the game or try to fund it or even try help Y's? Because they know, that today this game is so niche and so exotic, that it will not be a main stream success and most likely a very high financial risk, that nobody wanted to take or even consider in 14 years. Sony is willing to take this risk, but wanted proof that people do not only demand that game on Twitter, but also that they are ready to back it up financially and take a little bit of Sony's risk. How is this bad ?

People are getting this game cheaper, when they back it up with 30§, but most people just went crazy backing it up. But as I said it is only the most hardcore niche fans and not the main stream.

Sony gets blaimed for not taking a financial enormous risk and not giving a Niche game to all of you without some kind of security. The most people, who back Shenmue III do not give a shit about how, they are in heaven, that Sony even considers the idea of Shenmue III and they where kind enough to give this exotic game this grand stage.

Thread over.

 

[fallen_dawn]

not really unless there's some back room deal we don't know about. it's a crowd funded game.

Well, a crowd funded game with extra funding/marketing from Sony (which is the subject of this thread).

 

[Wavebossa]

This is the best. Remove it all damn you!

That stealth edit.

 

[sechsterangriff]

This Thread represents modern Fanboyism and Gaming in a nutshell and it is disgusting to see and it makes me sad.

Y's and Sony give you a opportunity to have a Game "Fans" always wanted and people are bitching that Sony wants prove that it can get to a break even point.

People have to realize that this game is not for the main stream audience or gamers. The Kickstarter is just and only for the Fucking Hardcore Shenmue fans, so they can get a game out, that is most likely a financial disaster or not a game publisher want to fund. And it seems likeFans do not give a shit how this games is done. On average people are paying more than 80$ to get this idea of a game, which is insane.
40.000 Backers for such ,most likely, expensive game is not very much tbh, but it shows that some hardcore people really want that game and really go all in for this.

And now people blame sony to want some kind of security, that they do not lose a shit ton of money ? Ask yourself a question. Why did Microsoft, Nintendo, Sega, Acti, Ea or any other publisher try to get the game or try to fund it or even try help Y's? Because they know, that today this game is so niche and so exotic, that it will not be a main stream success and most likely a very high financial risk, that nobody wanted to take or even consider in 14 years. Sony is willing to take this risk, but wanted proof that people do not only demand that game on Twitter, but also that they are ready to back it up financially and take a little bit of Sony's risk. How is this bad ?

People are getting this game cheaper, when they back it up with 30§, but most people just went crazy backing it up. But as I said it is only the most hardcore niche fans and not the main stream.

Sony gets blaimed for not taking a financial enormous risk and not giving a Niche game to all of you without some kind of security. The most people, who back Shenmue III do not give a shit about how, they are in heaven, that Sony even considers the idea of Shenmue III and they where kind enough to give this exotic game this grand stage.

This. So much this.

 

[Jotaka]

Hysterical. So many junior members in this thread will probably not understand this post and jump to express earnest agreement.

It was fast

Agreed.
FUCK YOU SONY!
Shenmue fans deserve more transparency than this scam of a sequel.

 

[Tenzan]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Kickstarter (I'm an expert), but transparency and honesty are huge parts of it. It's not like it was with Bloodborne where you can become successful by help funding and publishing it. If you help fund a game in Kickstarter, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the fans, after hearing about this, is not going to want to back Shenmue at all, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games they help fund in the future. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move.

Sony, remove all your funding or you can kiss your business goodbye.

I'm laughing at this, Sony is helping fund this when SEGA couldn't do it nor MS or Nintendo did anything for it. Wow the salt is real