TheAdmiester
Member
Can someone explain this PGR 4 sound bug? I don't think I've ever experienced it and I've always installed that game.
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Xbox One adds Xbox 360 backwards compatibility
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Latin Hobbit
Neo Member
I'd love an invite to check this out. GT: Latin Hobbit
I keep an error with my Mass Effect disc
'This game isn't playable here (0x8082000c)'
Xbox.com has no info on it yet
try hard reset? you have the latest preview update, right?
Goldenmoney
Member
Why is it that third party publishers have to approve?
Eh, We've already seen Fallout 3 and Rainbow Six 360 games thrown is as bundles
Also, the games in general aren't free
Company Discussion:
"Why should we make our old games BC?"
"Because you won't have to invest anything and you'll get long tail sales."
Consumer:
"OH, Game X is on sale for $10! Always wanted to play it! BOUGHT! Add it to the backlog..."
It's the Steam sales effect. It's the reason why Blizzard still makes the Diablo and Starcraft war chests available.
I've bought digital copies of games I owned discs for when they were sub $5 just for convenience sake. If the games work on my XBO I'll probably continue that practice.
I'm assuming that most will be approved and put on the digital store so you can buy them from yoour Xbox One.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Most delisted games are tied up in legal hell. Doubt they could allow it to come to BC.
Unless they're planning on doing a remaster, I don't see why not. Gotta get them at least a few sales, with 0 effort or cost on their part.
'cause...
sometimes there are agreements/licenses that expire... for songs...other stuff
Neverender
Member
You can put a (compatible) 360 disc in your Xbox One and play it?
PumpkinSpice
Banned
Their games will be for sale on current gen system with no (?) work on their part. They'll be included in the list of "here's what's new on Xbox One this week." What's not to like?
There are plenty of indie developers spending time/money to port their games to PS4/Xbone as it is. Now it can be done for free (I think?).
Goldenmoney
Member
if it's on the approved games list... if the third party publisher agrees to it...
I just have a bad feeling about this now.
Menu music stuttered, which happened in all cases. From memory (this is a LONG time ago, mind you) every so often, there would be stuttering engine (or environment) audio for a little while before it killed majority of sound in a race completely. Or all engine sound or something.
Might've only been for a few certain cars or something? Like I said, it was a while ago since I did it. And my PGR4 disc is cactus
mr teaspoon
Member
I dunno...in this day and age, it seems to be a lot easier for a small group of loud people to petition companies. At the very least, I think you'll at least see companies being called to the carpet and forced to issue a reason why they won't allow it.
Netrunner2k2
Member
This is one of the reasons I bought an Xbox One today! I'm not in the preview program, so I'll have to wait for my time, though.
PumpkinSpice
Banned
Xbox game compatibility on 360 seemed to be mostly down to if the game was compatible with their emulator and passed their QA. Even the ones that passed tended to have a lot of little issues.
This time around it seems to be based on allowing them to rehost their games recompiled for X64. I guess they're fairly confident in compatibility.
Emperor Bohe
Member
yeah, I wish the approval thing wasn't there. but i guess it must be necessary due to licensing...
vote here:
https://xbox.uservoice.com/forums/2...-delisted-games-to-be-backwards-compatible-on
Microsoft does not own the licensing to all the content in all the games that were on Xbox 360.
I suspect there was something else at play, too. I have a JTAG 360 (been a LONG time since I used it) that has an unlocked BC system in there, and Rallisport Challenge 2 plays a LOT better than many of the games I've played that *did* get an official release. Something else was up, for sure.
TheAdmiester
Member
Menu music stuttered, which happened in all cases. From memory (this is a LONG time ago, mind you) every so often, there would be stuttering engine (or environment) audio for a little while before it killed majority of sound in a race completely. Or all engine sound or something.
Might've only been for a few certain cars or something? Like I said, it was a while ago since I did it. And my PGR4 disc is cactus
You say the music happened in all cases, but did every Xbox have this bug? I have it installed on a modded 360 and a retail 360, definitely neither have any skipping.
Car shadows spaz out a lot on that game, though. Definitely not as bad as performance issues but it's distracting.
consoul
Member
If the scheme were digital only I'd agree 100%, but the support for discs is the part I think publishers will be wary of. Consumers can pay for a digital version, or find a cheaper used copy (or a disc they already own) that the publisher stands to gain nothing from.
Would a publisher rather have you looking for something new to buy and play on your X1 or would they choose to let you play their old games in a way they are not likely to profit from?
LifeIsLife
Banned
I dont. Its obvious that this is just a way to appease companies that are doing hd remasters and not step on their toes.
thelastcrusader
Banned
Hit the nail on the head. This feature isn't really killer since not every game will work and who knows about the potential emulation issues...360 it is! Will get another X1 when it drops to $200-250 with some games.
Goldenmoney
Member
Yea if I can't play my old xbox 360 discs in my theoretical xbox one, then I do not consider this backwards compatibility.
I put a Wii disc in my Wii U, it transfers me to the Wii menu, and boom I'm in. This is backwards compatibility.
JeffG
Member
The fact that a new version of a game needs to be downloaded for this to work means that Microsoft is running some process on it (and creating something"new")
That will be why they need the permission of the Publishers. Permission to modify the original code.
If you're going to claim that the games are ports, please post a source. Either someone from Microsoft or a technical teardown of one of the game files.
So far, everything anyone from MS has stated has been emulation. No official source has stated that these are ports, nor has there been any technical evidence shown to indicate a port.
More like permission to duplicate, as it sounds like what's happening is everything is running in separate VMs. It's the same reason why you need a license for every copy of an OS you run in a VM, even if they're all on the same hardware.
Copyright law sees them as distinct copies.
TheAdmiester
Member
There's a bit of "proof" there in that the build tags/internal names of the titles having x64 in the string.
S0cc3rpunk
Unconfirmed Member
This is one of the reasons I bought an Xbox One today! I'm not in the preview program, so I'll have to wait for my time, though.
i can invite you
GT is III OROZCO III just send me a message/friend request on Xbox whoever wants in send me a friend request and message, i'll be glad to invite you
https://xbox.uservoice.com/forums/2...all-the-upcoming-gwg-xbox-360-games-compatibl
Make all the upcoming GWG Xbox 360 games compatible with the Xbox One
Saw this on reddit, worth voting for even though I'd hope MS already planned to do that.
Make all the upcoming GWG Xbox 360 games compatible with the Xbox One
Saw this on reddit, worth voting for even though I'd hope MS already planned to do that.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Installed Mass Effect earlier. I can't believe how awesome this is.
I'm still kicking myself for ignoring 360 GwG for so long because my 360 was busted and only 20gb
Colonel Nasty
Member
Couldn't get my Mass Effect save to work without the DLC. My disc version of Banjo doesnt work either.
Hawk269
Member
Aside from the big Xbox One user base that may decide to PURCHASE these third party titles for their Xbox One because now they are playable on the system?
The potential to MAKE MONEY and all you have to do is agree and say go for it, but yeah, NO THIRD party company is going to want to do something crazy like that.
They updated the FAQ about Mass Effect btw
Q: Where is my DLC?
A: DLC will be supported when the program is launched to everyone, but during preview DLC will not be supported.
I would bet on it. The system seems to treat them like any other xbox one game. The 360 VM is within each game
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Have you watched the interview with the Xbox Platform guy? They're going to keep adding to the catalog of X360 games that they offer. Eventually they'll hit every significant game in the 360 library.
Simon Belmont
Banned
i can invite you
whoever wants in send me a friend request and message, i'll be glad to invite you
Sent!
Isn't it more like...put a disc in your Xbox one, and then get a free download of the game?
I don't think the game is ever running off of the disc. Putting the disc in simply confirms you own it, allowing you to play the downloaded digital version. The XB1 isn't really running that disc. I don't know. I guess it doesn't matter that much. And if I'm wrong about how this is working let me know.
Still better than PS now, but they really need to improve the compatibility list. I didn't own a 360 and would love to play some of those games now.
It just seems like they went for the sexy headline with this feature. Catches your attention. But when you actually analyze what functionality yore getting, it's not nearly as cool as you thought. Still, applaud MS for the effort here. Better than ps now (even though it's run fine for me).
Garrett 2U
Member
I just saw this on reddit...http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/3a32xz/xbox_360_controllers_can_be_connected_to_a/.compact
Apparently you can connect Xbox 360 controllers to a Windows 10 PC (streaming Xbone) to use for couch coop.
Not confirmed, but this might support arcade wheels, rock band instruments, etc too.
Pretty cool!
Apparently you can connect Xbox 360 controllers to a Windows 10 PC (streaming Xbone) to use for couch coop.
Not confirmed, but this might support arcade wheels, rock band instruments, etc too.
Pretty cool!
Silent Chief
Member
Not really. It's because you download an Xbone version of the game. Microsoft can't just give away free versions of somebody else's games.