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Xbox One adds Xbox 360 backwards compatibility
- Thread starter Mugatu
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Wow, I somehow still have my steelbook PD: Zero. I forgot how terrible this game was. Never thought I would play it again in my lifetime. Pretty sure I tried to trade it it on multiple occasions, but no one would take it. lol
Also, is it the emulation or was the framerate always this atrocious? I'm pretty sure it dipped into the single digits during the firefight at the end of the first level. Coupled with the slow controls and motion blur, it was the first game in a long time that made me feel sick.
Also, is it the emulation or was the framerate always this atrocious? I'm pretty sure it dipped into the single digits during the firefight at the end of the first level. Coupled with the slow controls and motion blur, it was the first game in a long time that made me feel sick.
superNESjoe
Member
Question, are the games uprezzed in any way, or is it just running the exact, native version of the game? It doesn't matter to me either way, but I am pretty curious.
It's the native version. Game thinks it is running on 360. They are upscaled by the scaler of course, but not rendered at a higher res. Maybe they'll change that in the future once they are satisfied with compatibility
I previously compared it to VGS versus Bleem! and I think that comparison holds up
infinityBCRT
Member
My guess-- they ported over the 360 APIs to XB1, and then for any custom low level machine language code, they're using CPU emulation. But its probably heavily customized per game to get as much speed as possible. There's no way they are doing full on 100% accurate CPU emulation. It's got to be mostly HLE.
Doing it on a game by game basis is gonna take a hell of a lot of work. Props to MS. They really didn't have any obligation to do this.
superNESjoe
Member
That's what I was expecting. Cool, can't wait to try it out.
It's a whole 360 VM, not ported APIs like WINE
I also don't believe it is frame accurate though Phil suggested otherwise
Still missing a couple games from my list.. not sure how to make them show up. Geo Wars Retro Evolved and the original Toy Soldiers...
Anyone able to get games to show up when they originally did not? I have "Re bought" online for free of course but was hoping that would trigger them but no go.
Anyone able to get games to show up when they originally did not? I have "Re bought" online for free of course but was hoping that would trigger them but no go.
I tested two games: Mass Effect and Battleblock Theather. Mass Effect appears the same (maybe a slight better frame rate, specially if turn off motion blur and grain filter), and Battleblock look like a carbon copy.
Usually, I don't bother getting into who "won" E3... but believe me, 10 years from now, we'll still remember Sony's conference this year.
They responded saying no: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/play...t-s-good-we-re-doing-different-things/0151317
Thanks for the link!
RDR might be awhile since they are still working on a solution for multi-disc games
That's because some of the games they announced will come out that year....
Sorry too tempting to let it go.
Monkeylord
Member
Has anyone tried any games from XBLA compilation discs?
I have Geo Wars on an XBLA Vol.1 disc, but am unsure of how it will work if the other games on the disc are not compatible (I forget what's on there).
Not got an XB1 yet, but still interested in how it works.
I seem to remember the games showing up mixed in with my Games library if the disc was inserted, but also launchable from a menu on the disc. It's been a while since I've played them.
I have Geo Wars on an XBLA Vol.1 disc, but am unsure of how it will work if the other games on the disc are not compatible (I forget what's on there).
Not got an XB1 yet, but still interested in how it works.
I seem to remember the games showing up mixed in with my Games library if the disc was inserted, but also launchable from a menu on the disc. It's been a while since I've played them.
N7Commander95
Member
The way those discs worked is they just showed up as installed games on your 360. So you could go directly to Games > My games and launch them from there.
Gonna assume in this case that your Xbox One will just recognize them like that and prompt you to download them separately.
nemisis0
Member
Wow, I somehow still have my steelbook PD: Zero. I forgot how terrible this game was. Never thought I would play it again in my lifetime. Pretty sure I tried to trade it it on multiple occasions, but no one would take it. lol
Also, is it the emulation or was the framerate always this atrocious? I'm pretty sure it dipped into the single digits during the firefight at the end of the first level. Coupled with the slow controls and motion blur, it was the first game in a long time that made me feel sick.
How did you manage to get it to work, it didn't allow me to start the disc up or anything when I inserted mine. I have the latest preview build and everything.
Actualy, they did. It's called "We need to keep 360 owners from switching to the PS4" ;-)
ElfArmy177
Member
How do I get invited to the program?
Monkeylord
Member
Makes sense. Ta.
They said it is one emulator/vm for every game (unless issues appear) -- they are not doing game by game profiles like 360->xbox.
It's just a beta filled with first party titles
There should be a thread called Xbox Preview Invite on the front page. Just do a search.
Are you in NA? Only NA discs work during the beta
Q: Why are my Disc based copies of approved games are not working?
A: Currently we are only supporting game disc’s from the North America region. We are working on making all games available via disc. This will be fully supported when the program launches for everyone.
I doubt anyone will remember MS's conference. Just because they dropped the tv gimmic and kinect does not mean they won in any stretch of immagination. Backward compatibility is pretty huge though.
The frame rate was quite bad on the 360 as well as I remember. The standards were not good back then. I tried Splinter Cell Double Agent again some time and holy tearing.
gamechanger87
Member
Correct. Phil went into a bunch of details on GB last night, but it is one emulator. The game itself thinks it is running on the 360 which is why you see the 360 boot screen. The XBO thinks that a game is playing which is why you can still do DVR, Screenshots and stream.
Really cool deep dive on how they did it last night.
lighthouse777
Member
I agree Microsoft and Bethesda won
MrGreencastle
Member
Sadly, no. The XBLA compilation disc doesn't work - tried it last night (the one with Wik, Hexic, GeoWars, etc.). And from what I remember, you couldn't do that with the first XBLA compilation disc, you actually had to run the disc which had a separate launcher which then could boot each game individually. Unless they updated it at some point with a patch, haven't played it in years.
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Tested out Mass Effect last night. Load times are improved considerably, and there is little to no texture pop-in, either. Both things I had issues with in the Xbox 360 version. So it looks like running it off the hard disc is improving things vs running off a disc. Didn't have time to check out running the game on 360 HDD vs Xbox One, though. Just compared streaming off the disc on 360 to Xbox One emulation.
MS won over the holy trinity? How?
I have an Xbone and all, but I don't see how the holy trinity can be beaten.
Monkeylord
Member
Bummer... still, plenty of time for them to come up with a method. Hell, they may at some point add compatibility for the entire disc as well as the individual games.
Thanks for checking it out, though.
nemisis0
Member
I am in the UK, my disc version of mass effect works without any problems, perfect dark zero doesn't. Really weird you mentioned that as I fought all discs would work.
MrGreencastle
Member
Also, for those Xbox One owners that don't have any 360 games on the list and are in the preview program and want to test out the backwards compatibility feature, Hexic HD is available for free on Xbox.com or through the Xbox 360 dashboard. Grabbing that should make it available in your "Ready to Install" list on the Xbox One.
gamechanger87
Member
For those wanting to understand how BC is working start watching here on the GB Live video.
Spencer goes into detail on the thought process behind it and the tech:
https://youtu.be/Pjh1Uo_xaSQ?list=PLfFwi0VxVnVLFxiEgcwWD5PbVcacKCk_t&t=11257
Spencer goes into detail on the thought process behind it and the tech:
https://youtu.be/Pjh1Uo_xaSQ?list=PLfFwi0VxVnVLFxiEgcwWD5PbVcacKCk_t&t=11257
Spottiettiedop
Member
Not saying who was better, but the biggest issue with the "Holy Trinity" is when? I hope sooner than later but I don't think so.
gamechanger87
Member
Two of those games are already late 2017 at the earliest. That is so far out. If they are progressing along we will see them at two more E3s. TLG is allegedly 2016.
I'm guessing 2018 for shenmue and 2019 for FF7.
StrangeTaco
Member
Yep FF7 remake and Shenmue 3, with that in mind id say MS probably "won" if there is such a thing. Great E3 all around except for Nintendo.
Spottiettiedop
Member
And with that timeframe BC is bigger deal to me due to games I've never played or really liked within the 360 catalog that are priced really cheap.
Pagusas
Elden Member
....FF7, Last Guardian and Shenmue won the conference, those 3 announcements (honestly just FF7 and Shenmue alone) completely sucked the air out of everything else.
MrGreencastle
Member
I was just about to post this. Some interesting tidbits:
-Runs full Xbox 360 OS, so the game thinks it's running on a 360
-Xbox One thinks it's just running a Xbox One game, which is why all the Xbox One features still work
-No custom wrappers/shims between different games like the Xbox to Xbox 360 emulation. That is not the approach they are taking this time because it wasn't scalable. It is the same emulator running exactly the same way for each game. Aside from QA, there's little to no extra work required on Microsoft's part to get the game running after a publisher OK's the title for BC.
-Kinect games cannot work
-They are working on Multi-Disc games like Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon, takes a little extra work because of the way multi-disc games are packaged
Backfoggen
Banned
Wow, I somehow still have my steelbook PD: Zero. I forgot how terrible this game was. Never thought I would play it again in my lifetime. Pretty sure I tried to trade it it on multiple occasions, but no one would take it. lol
Also, is it the emulation or was the framerate always this atrocious? I'm pretty sure it dipped into the single digits during the firefight at the end of the first level. Coupled with the slow controls and motion blur, it was the first game in a long time that made me feel sick.
PDZ ran like shit. You didn't notice back then but going back to it after a while it felt horrible.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Please guys help me out and vote
Omega 5
Akai Katana
Guwange
R-Type Dimensions
Rez HD
Catherine
Raiden IV
Raiden Fighter Aces
Deathsmiles and Deathsmiles 2X
Otomedius
Ikaruga
Radiant Silvergun
Bangai-o HD
Pac-man CE
Strania
Under Defeat HD
pretty please?
It's such a bullshit we can't add non US games! Not even region-free ones so no Espgaluda 2 or Mushi Futari etc.
also I'd love an invite at dashkap
Omega 5
Akai Katana
Guwange
R-Type Dimensions
Rez HD
Catherine
Raiden IV
Raiden Fighter Aces
Deathsmiles and Deathsmiles 2X
Otomedius
Ikaruga
Radiant Silvergun
Bangai-o HD
Pac-man CE
Strania
Under Defeat HD
pretty please?
It's such a bullshit we can't add non US games! Not even region-free ones so no Espgaluda 2 or Mushi Futari etc.
also I'd love an invite at dashkap