Pennywise83
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The difference is, as long as DQXI is a traditional game in line with previous entries bar X, mainline DQ has to sell 3.5-4m, which would be quite hard on a platform such as PS4 in Japan.
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So with Square announcing a lot of new JRPGs at E3.. Where does that leave DQ11?
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Zekra Dezivad
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I still think that a main DQ game on consoles would be unexpected, but if it's on PS4 the salt will be glorious.
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
What if they made it for PS4 and 3ds? And didnt go HAM on the graphics?
Mikey Jr.
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Seems to me like se cares more about the Japanese market right now. They want the ps4 to succeed there. In the west, the ps4 is doing great. Se wants maximum boost for the Japanese market, so they are going to save their huge games for tgs.
I don't blame them. Console gaming is dying over there. They are doing everything they can to save it.
3DS owners would be fine with that, but you'd hear maximum bitching from the PS4 side for the game being held back or whatever.
Where do they put it at this point?
Targeting their own market, 3DS is probably the default choice, although that system has been losing a lot of steam looking at YoY trends.
Consoles aren't exactly tearing it up either. Of course it would sell PS4's by the truckloads, which would further help their other titles coming down the pipeline with a larger install base - all kind of feeding off each other building that up.
Mobile ... I'd like that just for GAFs reaction. I don't think they'd go that route though. Maybe spinoffs.
NX? No way.
If I had to bet, I'd say PS4 at this point. It will gain momentum as more worthwhile titles come out.
Targeting their own market, 3DS is probably the default choice, although that system has been losing a lot of steam looking at YoY trends.
Consoles aren't exactly tearing it up either. Of course it would sell PS4's by the truckloads, which would further help their other titles coming down the pipeline with a larger install base - all kind of feeding off each other building that up.
Mobile ... I'd like that just for GAFs reaction. I don't think they'd go that route though. Maybe spinoffs.
NX? No way.
If I had to bet, I'd say PS4 at this point. It will gain momentum as more worthwhile titles come out.
Already been said that it won't be a mobile title. And PS4 is a bad bet, at least as an exclusive. Crossgen PS3 and PS4 is very probable, but a PS4 only release would, I think, be the biggest surprise in gaming for the year (assuming it gets announced this year like assumed), and yes, I realize how bold a statement that is based on this year's E3. But that's how crazy it would be, it makes absolutely zero sense to do it from a business standpoint and would be a huge risk on SE's part.
Why do people say this? Only two DQ games were not released in the US, both during the SNES days. Meanwhile we were left out on three FF titles the first time around during that same era.
They skipped us on the DS versions, that's all. And we didn't get DQX, but that's an online game, and a completely different animal.
Has there really only been two DQ games not localized outside Japan? That doesn't sound right. Are you not counting spinoffs?
Correct, I'm not counting spinoffs. But this thread isn't about a spinoff title, either.
Sure, but I assume he was referring to the franchise as a whole, even if the topic was about a specific mainline title.
It's frankly bizarre.
That being said one of my biggest fears for BD as a franchise was that SE just dumped it over here with a slap dashed localization and no advertisement and that killed it forever.
I don't think spinoff titles are as relevant. They often are quirkier, smaller in scope, and harder to sell broadly. There are a lot of spinoff titles in other franchises that we don't get in the West. And it's not as if we haven't had several spinoff DQ titles localized as well.
Regardless, it's just not accurate to behave as if DQ is a Japan-only series.
I mean, besides getting a million selling (combined territories of course) new JRPG IP over in a weak period for them.
Pennywise83
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DQ mainline entries sold 80% to 90% in Japan.
Are you joking?, the salt would only happen if it skips PS4, especially around these parts.
I assume he meant it being PS4 only, and all the salt from (I presume) 3DS owners.
But they are still released in the West. That's not "Japan-only" by any definition.
But those two DQ games that they skipped represented the entire 16 bit generation.That to me is more significant than three FF's, spanning two generations, but where we still at least got something every gen.
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Jpop
Unconfirmed Member
Dragon Quest would get its own press conference.
DaSorcerer7
Member
My guess is it'll be 3ds exclusive.
Dragon Quest 9 announcement has already shown this
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Jpop
Unconfirmed Member
The majority of Dragon Quest sales happen in Japan.
Take DQIX for example 5m in Japan vs 1M in the West.
DQXI would struggle to hit even 1M on the PS4 in Japan, just look at how many 1M+ titles the PS3 had, and the PS3 was performing better than the PS4 is.
I could see DQXI doing 4M in Japan on the 3DS. I don't see a combined release on the PS4+X1+PC coming close to making up for the Japanese sales even considering the Western market. That's being generous and saying that it would do 1M in the West on those platforms.
Now the PS4/PS3+3DS combined I see as more viable but I just don't see DQ becoming multiplatform.
theprodigy
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nah there will be plenty of salt whether it is or is not on PS4, even if it's also on other platforms
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Nah, there'll be salt even if its just multiplat. There are a tonne of people who think everything should be on PS4, which is ridiculous, but there are also a large contingent of Nintendo enthusiasts who are weirdly protective over DQ and MH, and are always quick to swoop in when anyone poses the notion that they could switch platform.
Will be a fun day, regardless. Really looking forward to seeing what it looks like. Outside of DQX, I have a feeling it could be the first internally developed mainline DQ game.
cartman414
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It will be a (likely to be ignored) wake-up call for Nintendo if they once again lose DQ to Sony. It won't be PS steamrolling N64 all over again, but it's gonna hurt. Of course, Nintendo's gonna Nintendo.
Unfortunately for us, the only other SE franchise that's not FF that people seem to care about is Kingdom Hearts. Now I'm not one to tell others what to play or pay attention to, but, really?
Unfortunately for us, the only other SE franchise that's not FF that people seem to care about is Kingdom Hearts. Now I'm not one to tell others what to play or pay attention to, but, really?
Because History has shown that Dragon Quest mainline games have usually released on the system with high sales in Japan. Almost every game has followed this (is there any that hasn't?), and with the last few mainline remake releases being on 3DS and how well the 3DS does in Japan makes it one of the more logical places it could show up if they follow their own tradition. Then again, one can also make the case that the series has been getting ported alot to mobile and mobile is doing waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than 3DS, but those are some scary thoughts I don't even wanna think about.
It basically comes down to
Following their tradition: 3DS or Mobile
Wanting to be risky: PS4
Either way I could care less where it ends up since I'll be playing it anyway as I have both console/handheld, but if the DQIX annoucement topic was anything to go by, shit's gonna get ugly no matter where the game ends up.
Reeeeeeally ugly lol
I feel the real struggle isn't where the game ends up, it's whether we actually even get it
CoffeeKillquest
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I would guess maybe at TGS.
If DQXI is on PS4 it probably won't be exclusive. It'll be on at least one other PlayStation platform.
I still think it could debut as a 3DS exclusive and then get ported to the PlayStation machines a bit after. 3DS is too popular and there are too many DQ games on it for SE to ignore. But at the same time, why release the DQH games on PS platforms if there's not more coming?
Newtype-001
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If somehow DQ11 appears on ps4 it will be cross platform with either the ps3,wii u or both. There is no other way i can see it unless sony decides to foot the entire bill for the game which is an extreeeeemely slim chance anyway.
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Jpop
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Musou games are historically more popular on Sony systems?
Likely to be announced alongside official gameplay of Dragon Quest: Heroes 2 this TGS I imagine.
I can picture a very similar deal to DQ11 like what is happening with World of Final Fantasy; a cross-platform tittle across PS3/PS4 or PS Vita/3DS/PS4. That way the game will be coming to consoles in JP that are selling well and it will ensure that the western markets get a home-console version of the game.
While this will limit how the game could push the PS4, it will ensure that the game will be a hit regardless of its platform.
And who knows, if FFXV and KH3 take off (and I have hopes they will) and it leads to a larger PS4 install base in JP, than Square could be more safe in making it PS4 only or making it a PS3/PS4 tittle.
I can picture a very similar deal to DQ11 like what is happening with World of Final Fantasy; a cross-platform tittle across PS3/PS4 or PS Vita/3DS/PS4. That way the game will be coming to consoles in JP that are selling well and it will ensure that the western markets get a home-console version of the game.
While this will limit how the game could push the PS4, it will ensure that the game will be a hit regardless of its platform
. And who knows, if FFXV and KH3 take off (and I have hopes they will) and it leads to a larger PS4 install base in JP, than Square could be more safe in making it PS4 only or making it a PS3/PS4 tittle.
They should release it on Xbone for maximum salt.
LOL we gonna have to call Morton, we wouldn't be able to contain all the salt.
Bitanator
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Because 20 million 3DS systems makes more sense
jeremy1456
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Way too much logic man. You need to tone it down.
By the time DQ11 releases the entire Playstation ecosystem would be roughly the same as 3DS in terms of userbase.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
It will probably be announced as a 3DS exclusive and revealed before the direct, and then showcased at it.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
PS3 will be long dead by then, the Vita will probably be forgotten, and the PS4 might be at 4 or 5 million total user base by then.
With your logic why don't they just release it as a Wii, Wii U, and DS title then?
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Jpop
Unconfirmed Member
It will have its own press conference regardless of platform. Though with the growing popularity of directs it wouldn't be impossible to have its own dedicated direct.
That is what I'm saying... release it on multiple platforms. PS3 and Vita are much more alive then DS and Wii. It's all about active userbase. There is still very much an active userbase on PS3.
In an ideal world it will come out on Nintendo (3DS, NX, WiiU) and Sony (Vita, PS3, PS4) platforms.
But from a marketing point of view they may side with one company.