No one did. Just as much as fox covers. It's the most watched news in America. His opinion is goingto turn into votes for some. True or not doesn't matter anymore.
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NBC poll: Trump continues to lead the GOP field after 1st debate
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Anyone watching Fox News wasn't voting Democrat anyway.
TheLaughingStock
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Fox thinks the status quo is good enough because they're doing well. Until Trump loses or Republican debates lose viewership, I don't see why anyone would change strategy. I don't think you want millions of people like Chase contacting news stations and journalists, but to each their own.
Sho_Nuff82
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Yeah, Obama's only real difference from Bush is his love for sickly gay Cuban-Iranian immigrants.
In other words, what are you talking about? Have you not followed any of this presidency, particularly since the reelection?
RustyNails
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Are you sure about all politicians being same? Forexample, do you think the nuclear deal would have happened under Mitt Romney? Or a repeal of DADT?
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thepotatoman
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- Healthcare reform
- Ending the Iraq war
- Ending the torture program
- Establishing diplomacy with Cuba
- Nuclear deal with Iran
- Taking executive action on immigration
- Reclassifying the internet as a utility and establishing net neutrality
- Creating much stricter standards for CO2 emissions
- Choosing not to enforce federal marijuana laws in states that legalized it
- Appointing 2 supreme court judges which both ruled to legalize gay marriage across the country, among other things
- Allowing Bush tax cuts to expire for the rich, but not for the poor.
Yeah and there arent many of those left.
This. I'm not even an Trump supporter and I'm applauding this. The amount of sheer biased Fox News showed during that debate and that bs Frank Luntz "focus group" afterwards was sickening.
I don't see how a moderate republican would survive primaries.
Antiwhippy
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I always thought the democrats are pretty much moderates.
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thepotatoman
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Basically.
Even if you believe Obamacare is a republican plan, and that republicans are only against because the other side implemented it, most of the republicans on stage aren't just for the repeal of Obamacare but the roll back of medicare as well. They don't just want to take healthcare back from where it was before Obamacare, but push it back even further. I think Kasich, Huckabee, and Trump were the only three on the big boy stage that would defend the existence of medicare as is.
OuterLimits
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Do Trump and Cruz have an understanding or alliance going on? Trump seems to attack every Republican rival, but hasn't said much on Cruz. Same with Cruz being critical of Trump.
Will be interesting to see what the polls show in a week or so. I will be shocked if Trump doesn't lose some support. Ok, maybe not shocked since he seems to defy odds, but mildly surprised.
Also, Jeb needs to worry about Rubio big time in my opinion.
Will be interesting to see what the polls show in a week or so. I will be shocked if Trump doesn't lose some support. Ok, maybe not shocked since he seems to defy odds, but mildly surprised.
Also, Jeb needs to worry about Rubio big time in my opinion.
As a casual, foreign observer, it seems like Trump is just sucking all the air out of the room. He's doing a good job with of keeping anyone else from getting any attention - everyone just talks about him.
In the end, people will go with whomever they are familiar with in the absence of any better criteria. It feels like Trump - via his controversies - is just keeping everyone talking about him and effectively preventing anyone else getting too much of a profile or becoming too familiar to the electorate. From the reporting I've seen it seems like the others are getting frustrated that they can't break through because of these constant distractions from Trump that keep it all about him.
But maybe it feels different in the states.
In the end, people will go with whomever they are familiar with in the absence of any better criteria. It feels like Trump - via his controversies - is just keeping everyone talking about him and effectively preventing anyone else getting too much of a profile or becoming too familiar to the electorate. From the reporting I've seen it seems like the others are getting frustrated that they can't break through because of these constant distractions from Trump that keep it all about him.
But maybe it feels different in the states.
OrangeGrayBlue
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That's about right, not to mention he's likely doing a good bit of damage to the GOP's branding amongst voters who would otherwise consider leaning in their direction.
Unknown Soldier
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Jeb! needs to worry about himself and how uninspiring and generic he is. All the Bushes kind of look the same too, which means people will look at Jeb! and immediately think of GWB's disastrous failed Presidency. It's not at all surprising that one of Jeb!'s questions in the first debate was basically given to him so he could distance himself from his brother's Iraq War which will one day be remembered as being worse than Vietnam because of how it completely destabilized the entire region and led to the Syrian Civil War and the rise of ISIS.
Sho_Nuff82
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Mostly true. It used to be that Jeb crowing about defunding Planned Parenthood would put him in the news for a few weeks. Now, every Republican candidate has that as a talking point. Romney made a similar comment to Paul's wage gap comment and it arguably cost him the election. Now it barely warrants a 2 page thread. It has been said, but Trump is a natural evolution of the shock tactic approach of the extreme right. He is Ann Coulter with a wig and a bigger microphone. The normal blustering of the far right no longer holds any media sway. Candidates like Jeb need to put together some solid, unique policy platforms to compete, they can't reasonably move further right.
Not possible. Trump would automatically get most of the South, plains states, Utah, and upper Rocky Mountain states. Those states aren't going blue in 2016 even if the GOP ran Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi.
I think the polling done so far showed that Hillary gets North of 450 electoral votes if Trump is the nominee. Even long-tern red states flip under that scenario.
d00d3n
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Sanders vs Trump would be a hilarious lineup for the election. I guess Trump would win due to the masses in the US not being ready for a socialist candidate? But if Trump continues to dominate polls like this, I guess it will be tempting for democrats to pick a moderate candidate and win the election by a landslide.
Dubbedinenglish
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I wonder how that would effect the "coat tails" of presidential voting. Would more Dems make it into the house or would GOP voters vote Hillary and the remainder GOP?
Buba Big Guns
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Thats a pretty great list tbh. Half this stuff you would have never thought would happen in America during the Bush era.
airmangataosenai
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Bush falling out of the top 5 is fascinating. Are people still predicting that he'll win the nomination?
Am I wrong about this...I'm assuming that Trump is collecting the majority of the truly ravenous right-wing vote at the moment and everyone else is split evenly. It'd be my guess that if the field is whittled down to 2-4 people, very few of those presently polling against Trump would jump to his camp, right?
Are there any polls that asks Rep voters who would they vote for if the field was just Trump vs the other Rep candidates?
Are there any polls that asks Rep voters who would they vote for if the field was just Trump vs the other Rep candidates?
Trump isn't that far right relatively speaking so I disagree.
I feel the same. I think Democrats are right of center whereas Republicans are firmly right. Green party is the only party that I feel is firmly left.
sneakydomo
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The war in Iraq is not over. You are not allowed to bomb places on a daily basis, commit thousands of troops and say you are not at war. The war was over for the U.S. and then Obama restarted it.
Technically the Bush administration stopped the torture program since the last water boarding was in 2003 and the CIA took it off its approved methods list in 2006. Obama could have done the right thing and prosecuted those guilty of carrying out and ordering torture but he chose not do that either.
Except Bernie is really just a typical democrat candidate.
I don't know that he's a socialist, but I think calling him a typical democrat candidate is a stretch.
Policy-wise, I suppose you are correct but in his rhetoric, he is way out there, no? At the least, we can agree that he is attracting the base of the party?
...and if there is polling data that pits Trump vs each of the other Rep candidates individually, I'd love to see that.
maquiladora
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Some of these are very good, but war in Iraq has not ended.
I think what you mean is "removal of majority of US ground forces from Iraq".
Everybody knew what he meant.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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But his supporters are. They don't care about his policies, just his language.
i guesss? I dunno... I feel like there's a divide, like I watch Fox news and they hate him? He doesn't appeal to the religious-side of the party, in my opinion.
Veritigo_X
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Still going at it. Here's the article he linked: http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/megyn-kelly-howard-stern-sex-talk-donald-trump/2015/08/09/id/669255/
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/630731186797707264
Edit: Oops, meant to post this in the Megyn Kelly thread. Oh well.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/630731186797707264
Edit: Oops, meant to post this in the Megyn Kelly thread. Oh well.
Sho_Nuff82
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Are we at war with Syria and Pakistan as well?
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*in any other developed nation.
speculawyer
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The war was over.
However we now have a new fight against isis. But it is air raids only. Any ground fighting has to be done by kurds or Iraqis.
Call it a war if you want but I don't classify such actions as full blown war.
Glass Shark
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how
I work with a ton of hardcore Republicans and no one likes this guy
I work with a ton of hardcore Republicans and no one likes this guy
sneakydomo
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The U.S. has nearly 4000 troops in Iraq and we carry out daily airstrikes. Just because Obama claims he ended the war doesn't make it so, only an idiot or a sycophant would claim otherwise. To answer your questions yes we are at war in Syria. Pakistan has always been part of the Afghan war handled mostly through CIA led drone strikes, the number of strikes and level of cooperation with the Pakistan government changes over time but we continue to conduct strikes, so yes the U.S. is still at war in Afghanistan and Pakistan. This stuff isn't hard to understand, Obama tries to obfuscate the issue because it clashes with the image of peacemaker he'd like to have but he can't actually standup to the nation security establishment. And by the way Guantanmo is still open too. But at least he got a Nobel peace prize from his campaign stump speeches.
*It's the most watched news cable in America, not the most watched news. ABC, NBC, or CBS news about double their usual numbers.
RustyNails
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It's always nice to hear what people outside US think of our politics. Trump is probably a household name everywhere now. You can thank us later for your never-ending entertainment, rest of the world.
JadedWriter
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If Trump wins we won't even survive 4 years of his big mouth. We'll probably get to the two year point if we're lucky and he'll say something about one of the Middle Eastern powers, China and Russia and we'll wake up to this:
razgriz417
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Had dinner with the parents and an old family friend and her husband this weekend. I made the mistake of mentioning the Republican primary and found out the dude was a hardcore Trump supporter. I was completely speechless as he ranted about how all politicians were corrupt and that Trump was perfect to be president. I GTFO as soon as i was able lol
We're a year out, do you remember how many clowns were leading the nominations before the 2012 primaries?
Hell, Herman Cain was winning TWICE lol
I don't understand what you mean. (Not meaning to be obtuse, here.)
sneakydomo
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ISIS is not a new fight at all. ISIS is the direct continuation of Al Qaeda in Iraq that we wer fighting since 2004. So we fought them from 2004 to 2011 and it was a war and now it's not? The U.S. has conducted over 5000 airstrikes since last year in Iraq and Syria, claims to have killed at least 8500 militants and we don't consider it a war? Words don't even seem to have meaning anymore when they aren't useful to the agenda your trying to convey.
They're out there. And I love that there's no really reliable method to tell who's messing with pollsters/the Republican Party and who's serious about their support. We won't actually know anything until actual votes start being tallied. Imagine the damage he could do if he hangs around for the rest of the year and into 2016, hovering among that top tier of candidates..
Eighty Deuce
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The only way to beat trump is to starve him with no attention. Attacking him only empowers him and his fuckhead supporters
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