https://twitter.com/NintendoEurope/status/631167854155595776
Can't say I'm surprised, though it took them almost 2 weeks since the exploit was found
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Ironfall Invasion temporarily removed from European 3DS eShop
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https://twitter.com/NintendoEurope/status/631167854155595776
Can't say I'm surprised, though it took them almost 2 weeks since the exploit was found
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https://twitter.com/NintendoEurope/status/631167854155595776
Can't say I'm surprised, though it took them almost 2 weeks.
Is it only NoE that retired it for now?
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
It begins.
SatoAilDarko
Member
What's going on?
Immaculate
Banned
im more the suprised they took it down when smealum hasnt even released the exploit yet
a hacker named smealum found an exploit in ironfall invasion that lets you load a homebrew loader that can let you play emulators, pokemon hacks, region free etc. but he hasnt realeased it yet
Yeah.
A hacker has found an exploit to get homebrew working on the 3DS using that title.
IronHax, an exploit to allow Homebrew on the 3DS like NinjaHax or the OoT exploit, was announced a few days ago. It uses IronFall, a free-to-play game on the eShop, as its backdoor to the exploit, meaning that anyone on the latest firmware can use it (once it's been released).
No. Smealum, the coder behind the exploit, explicitly made it so it cannot be used for piracy. I can't speak of the technical details, but the exploit doesn't access the aspects of the console required to boot ROMs.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Surprised they didn't act sooner seeing as this is F2P
SatoAilDarko
Member
Hope the devs are able to patch out the problem. I've been meaning to buy the singleplayer and multiplayer in app purchases just been busy with a lot of other stuff.
The only thing I've really played in the last two months is Splatoon, Mii Plaza Games and Neo Geo fighters through Virtual Console.
Interesting, thanks. I remember news of this but completely forgot that this was the title necessary for the exploit.
I mean... sure? But it's not really a problem, per se. The exploit doesn't open the door to piracy (since neither NinjaHax nor the OoT did); it only makes Homebrew possible on the 3DS. There's no harm in that... it even allows imported games to be played on any console regardless of its locked region, which is something that people have been clamoring for since the 3DS was first released.
LordGorchnik
Member
It doesn't open the door to piracy per say, just allows homebrew. However given the fact that other methods are currently allowing people to play games they don't own on the 3DS I feel this is a case of too little, too late.
protomouse
Member
Good thing I already downloaded it. Pretty much anyone who wanted homebrew would have done so by now.
I don't know about GAF's stance about this kind of things, so I'm not going to link to it directly, but Smealum has JUST tweeted again after 3 days of absence. It's an image of Eminem putting his Robin costume from the Without Me video, with the lyrics "Guess who's back... back again" superimposed to the image.
The plot thickens!
The plot thickens!
SatoAilDarko
Member
I was will forever associate that video with the All That meat parody one. I have no idea why.
Why would you do that?
Member
IIRC, that's not really the case.
Smea's Ninjhax (with Cubic Ninja) and Ironhax (with Ironfall) only exploit the 3DS "user mode", which allows a person to play game cartridges region free and run unsigned code like homebrew on their systems. Finding a user mode exploit requires finding a vulnerability in a 3DS game or software. In user mode, you don't have complete access to the 3DS hardware, as the games and applications you run are limited by the 3DS's underlying operating system (the kernel).
To gain full access to the 3DS hardware, allowing you to perform many activities including using custom firmware and installing CIAs (the Home Menu software on the SD card that you normally get from the eShop, this can either be homebrew or pirated games, or even 3DS cartridge backups you convert into CIA for installation on your SD card), you need to find an exploit to gain "kernel mode" access. Finding a kernel mode exploit involves finding a vulnerability in the 3DS operating system or the 3DS hardware itself, and this can be a lot harder to find.
Just because a system is hacked for user mode does not mean it has a kernel mode hack. Only 3DS firmware 9.2 or below has a kernel mode hack currently available. All 3DS versions support a user mode exploit with Ninjhax, but now with Ironhax, it's just an easier way to gain user mode access without paying for Cubic Ninja, and with a game installed on the SD card (instead of on a cartridge).
Triforce141
Member
Going by NOA's schedule compared to Europe, I'd say Ironfall in NA will be down in 2017.
OT: surprised nintendo didn't do anything sooner.
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OT: surprised nintendo didn't do anything sooner.
Uh? Ironfall has been taken down from the NOA eShop as well.
Yeah, that's what I had read. I'm no coder, so I have to take Smealum's word on it. So, in the end, IronHax is "safe", then. At least, in what piracy is concerned.
Hitoribhoshi
Member
It's "safe" until (if ever) someone finds a new kernel exploit^^ (we had to wait between 4.5 and 9.2 for a new exploit)
well didn't get Ironfall in time on my new3DS, but I guess that's fine since I own cubic ninja and am on 9.2.
ZeldaOOT3D and Cubic Ninja are the only doorway to the kernel exploit on 9.2 new3DS. so yeah, user space is just user space, until you find something else to "escalate execution privileges" that is.
well didn't get Ironfall in time on my new3DS, but I guess that's fine since I own cubic ninja and am on 9.2.
ZeldaOOT3D and Cubic Ninja are the only doorway to the kernel exploit on 9.2 new3DS. so yeah, user space is just user space, until you find something else to "escalate execution privileges" that is.
CertifiedFP
Member
Damn, didn't even know this came out and I was hyped for it from when I first saw it.
Uh, this is temporary, right? Surely it'll be patched and put back up, right?
Uh, this is temporary, right? Surely it'll be patched and put back up, right?
for that they're up to date but for releasing games they just drag their feel.
these guys should go work in the law sector instead.
stan423321
Member
It honestly depends on a few variables, some of which we know and some which we don't. We know that the company behind it still exists and has a semi-active Twitter account, so that's one problem less compared to Cubic Ninja. What we don't know is how severe the bug can be. Smea's description of CN's code basically claimed that the thing has used unsafe function calls everywhere. If this thing is similar, cleaning it up can take too long for it to be profitable.
E_Darkness
Member
So just the idea that a homebrew exploit exists will get a game taken down?
I mean we don't know if the exploit is real (which it probably is).
I mean we don't know if the exploit is real (which it probably is).
People would want homebrew(and some piracy) either way.
Why release it for cheap when you could charge $50 for your homebrew-enabling Flappy Bird clone?
True but now there is a extra challenge to hackers and let's the community thrive because their working towards a collective goal. People will always want to pirate but having no region free certainly doesn't help the situation.
Oh yeah, that's true :x
I'm sure it motivated some people working in the scene lol.
Worthintendo
Member
He bloody should be sorry, look its one thing to have a go using an old game thats no longer being made from a developer who I don't think is around anymore.
But this hurts the guys behind Ironfall, it was a source of income for them and he's gone and screwed that up for them meaning they will need to do more work to try and fix.
I'm all for removing region free, but there have to be other ways around it that don't hurt small game studios.
Yup just checked as well and it's gone from the US eShop as well. No trace of it left. No game page, videos, etc. It's all gone.
That's really the most messed up thing about this. His actions possibly pretty much killed the game and a revenue stream for those developers. He should be sorry and I hope he means it.
Edit: Wonder if they took it down completely. I had the game installed from when it first came out but can't connect to the multiplayer on the demo side of things. Kicks back an error when trying to find other players.
That's really the most messed up thing about this. His actions possibly pretty much killed the game and a revenue stream for those developers. He should be sorry and I hope he means it.
Edit: Wonder if they took it down completely. I had the game installed from when it first came out but can't connect to the multiplayer on the demo side of things. Kicks back an error when trying to find other players.
frankie_baby
Member
So he should be sorry, exploiting a game from a non existent developer or from a big publisher is one thing, but to exploit a 3 man studio that spent years coding in assembly to make the most technically stunning looking 3ds game is pretty damn cuntish really
Dunnymeister
Member
Really? If your code has exploits like this then it is going to be exploited. If it wasn't Smealum then it would have been someone else.
If the dev didn't want their game pulled then they should not have used unchecked function calls. Company size is irrelevant, it doesn't take that much extra time to follow best practices.
frankie_baby
Member
Then why couldn't smealum have just let it be someone else
Because other people exploit shit for profit or piracy. If it's inevitable someone does this, best it be smealum.