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Gran Turismo 6 Sells 2.37 Million Copies, 72.6 Million For GT Series
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Psycho_Mantis
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whats weird is this was said some time ago
Bitch Pudding
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Well, I hope Yamauchi-san and his team at least react somehow (doing something about the hoover-sound of most cars would be a good start, I guess). Next gen graphics alone won't ensure 8-digit sales numbers of the 7th part.
kimifan141
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Oh this thread reminded me of what i did with my gt6 disk a while ago, bought the game thinking the new gt6 would be a refreshing change from gt5, booted up the disk and there were tons of updates skipped them all and just played the 1.0 version and it was terrible and boring...
Never bothered to play the game again or even check out the patches two things put me off
- the sound of the car engines it is god awful what the hell happened ?
- its just gt5 v2.0 nothing much as changed in fact i still play gt5 every now and then it still at least has the top gear test track.
Never bothered to play the game again or even check out the patches two things put me off
- the sound of the car engines it is god awful what the hell happened ?
- its just gt5 v2.0 nothing much as changed in fact i still play gt5 every now and then it still at least has the top gear test track.
I hope the poor timing isn't the only thing they consider. GT6 not promising enough change/improvements is the only reason I didn't buy it. Anyhow, I read that they're improving the sound for GT7 so maybe they're finally evolving and GT7 will breathe new life into the series.
Used games?whats weird is this was said some time ago
Maybe the number in the OP doesn't take digital sales into account?
SEGAvangelist
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Yeah, probably people downloading it with used copies of the game. That makes sense at least.
This is the company stating how many units they sold, right? Why wouldn't they include digital? NPD doesn't track digital because it doesn't have access to internal reports, but the company has access to that, right?
motorised mallard
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Any reasons for that?
Tivor Tontomo
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People often only think the reason is it's launch, it was also badly marketed and not marketted in some areas, had meh word of mouth, and doesn't have to high a critic appreciation on MC.
The game would be doomed even as a PS4 launch game. I mean it may have sold more but maybe double the current number and a bit more at best.
The game would be doomed even as a PS4 launch game. I mean it may have sold more but maybe double the current number and a bit more at best.
DLC released in July, and this claim is from August.
I can't fathom 130k copies of the game being exchanged in less than two months...
Dunno but digital being separate would be the most obvious way to account for higher numbers.
Not only that but even if that happened there would need to be a 100% download rate for that DLC number to make sense. No way that's possible.
They're not going to report retail-only in a court filing for data about the sales of the title, that makes zero sense. The number that is provided in the court filing is the real deal unless you think that they are lying/misrepresenting their own data to a court judge.
The filings would have to specify retail only if that were the data being presented, otherwise it is a misrepresentation of information if they are presenting retail-only for GT6 while discussing global sales for GT5 which is clearly all inclusive.
It'd be easier to believe that the Bloomberg/Sony download number is simply fudged for "the better".
lightchris
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It would also mean that 100% of GT6 owners have played the game during that time span. That's ridiculous. Realistically it should be way lower than 50%. Not to mention that the game's sales can't have dropped to zero since a full year.
I think it's pretty clear that the 2.5 million for downloads are way off if the 2.37 million sales are correct and include worlwide sales.
rokkerkory
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only 2.37m copies? that can't be real
ethomaz
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I'm a bit skeptical about these numbers...
Japan: > 500k (Dec 2014)
US: > 500k (my low estimated based in over 300k at launch)
Germany: > 100k (Dec 2013)
UK: > 100k (my low estimate based in the launch)
Full EU, rest of the world, 2 years... and it didn't sold more than 1 million?
Sorry but something feels wrong here... it can be outdated numbers.
Japan: > 500k (Dec 2014)
US: > 500k (my low estimated based in over 300k at launch)
Germany: > 100k (Dec 2013)
UK: > 100k (my low estimate based in the launch)
Full EU, rest of the world, 2 years... and it didn't sold more than 1 million?
Sorry but something feels wrong here... it can be outdated numbers.
SEGAvangelist
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Wow. Never noticed the dates. So they are pretty much caught lying.
Jesus
Psycho_Mantis
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The fudging is way out though. DLC having 100%+ attach rate is nonsensical.
ethomaz
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Another hint these numbers are wrong...
The Aston Martin's Vision GT project, the DP-100, was downloaded by over 2.5 million people in Gran Turismo 6 as of August 2014.
The Aston Martin's Vision GT project, the DP-100, was downloaded by over 2.5 million people in Gran Turismo 6 as of August 2014.
It is not... unless it is possible to download more one DLC car than copies of the game.
Isn't the DLC car free? But yea, 100% attach-rate is still off.
ethomaz
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whats weird is this was said some time ago
Maybe they just straight up lied.
lightchris
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The Japanese sales are interesting here. These seem to be confirmed.
GT5: 780k as of Mar 2013
GT6: 500k as of Dec 2014
Meaning that GT5 only sold 56% better than GT6 in Japan.
If the 2.37 million are worldwide sales then 1.87 million have been sold in the rest of the world. GT5 sold 9.88 million copies excluding Japan. Meaning that GT5 would have sold 428% better than GT6 in those regions. That doesn't sound realistic when compared to the japanese sales if you ask me.
I mean, either we think the DLC number is really, really fudged (to the point of just being made-up) or that they are misrepresenting data to a court judge...
One of these is more likely than the other.
Japan's PS3 audience was still largely very active until early this year.
terrible. they were out of their minds to release it on ps3 in december 2013. this had the potential to be huge if they just released it at ps4 launch, even if it didn't completely take advantage of the console's power. nothing at launch ever does, and the majority of that launch lineup was cross gen games anyways.
AgentChris
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Make GT7 the real deal and sales will be back to normal. GT6 was a strange and bad decision.
All they have to do is release GT7.
lightchris
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On the other hand console gaming still seems to be declining in general in Japan. Also, would it account for such a huge difference?
PdotMichael
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maybe the related court documents are already a little outdated?
Or, you know, Sony may have been asked to provide numbers at the time the original complaint was filed (July 31st, 2014) and this 2.37 million units sold number was what they were certain of, then.
We'd need to see what's referenced as 'Id. ¶ 28.' to know for sure.
Pretty much. And now with several games out on PS4, the sales tail GT games usually enjoy is likely gone.
How outdated would it be if users here report 2.5 million downloads of a dlc car from last year?
ethomaz
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Numbers from launch period? March 2014 (end of fiscal year)? When Sony made the defense in the case?
I want to read the Id. ¶ 28.
Yikes!!
ethomaz
Banned
The court action started in July 2014.
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/new-jersey/njdce/2:2014cv04786/307476
In March 2015 the Judge give his first opinion... I'm reading it right now.
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/new-jersey/njdce/2:2014cv04786/307476
In March 2015 the Judge give his first opinion... I'm reading it right now.
paperspace
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SaucyJack
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Exactly. The figures could relate to any time between the original claim in July 14 and now, in all likelihood they are the numbers from the original filing.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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2.37 million is great for most other games.....not GT, though. What a bomba.
ethomaz
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They received the numbers from Sony in November 2014: https://www.unitedstatescourts.org/federal/cand/286737/ (#23).
#23 is found here where they talk about these numbers: https://www.unitedstatescourts.org/federal/cand/286737/1-0.html
When this game came out it felt like it was hot on the heels of GT5 and COMPLETELY unnecessary... and to make matters worst, they killed online support for GT5 not long after that, throwing that much larger userbase under the bus...
Also, didn't the game technically run worst than GT5? I remember one of the reasons I stayed away was because it had screen tearing issues...
What did GT6 even do better than GT5, anyways?
Also, didn't the game technically run worst than GT5? I remember one of the reasons I stayed away was because it had screen tearing issues...
What did GT6 even do better than GT5, anyways?
Sho_Nuff82
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The PS4 and Xbox One sell a lot more software in the West than in Japan. A game like Persona 5 is cross gen largely because of the relative strength of the Japanese Ps3 market.
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