-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Aaron Greenberg: We feel Rise of the Tomb Raider will stand on its own vs Fallout
- Thread starter shinobi602
- Start date
The graphics issue mostly exists in the forum echo chamber and the general response to the gameplay shown has been very, very positive. No way this doesn't review well.
GeordieMark
Member
I honestly would have thought TR would outsell Fallout 4 if both were multi platform. TR is much bigger franchise.
Megatron
Member
Well of course it is. One is on every console the other is exclusive to one platform this year. Pretty obvious. More interesting will be which sells better on xb1?
StrongBlackVine
Banned
This reads like a bad astroturfing.
You only forget to include "Rise of the Tomb Raider on the All in One Entertainment System Xbox One"
^^
Megatron
Member
You should probably lower that expectation right now. Guerilla Games isn't known for long ass games.
harrisk954
Member
It will stand on its own as it is getting knocked to the ground and trampled to a pile of pulp by Fallout 4. It'll sell some copies, but it will be completely overshadowed by Fallout.
Sure, but I think this one has been talked about as being a big, open world experience, so I'm definitely expecting some decent length to it
Steverulez
Member
He also said Forza Motorsport 6 was doing really well on his Bombcast interview
RichiRamjag
Member
I never felt like the genre was the issue. It's when you have the kids with a $60 limit or folks who have no choice but to pick a particular game. If the choice is between the two, then it may be tough.
Time is also a factor. With so much releasing, why would I pay $60 to buy TR when I'll already be busy. I'd pick fallout and wait for discounts on TR. Others may do the opposite, but I feel like that scenario is still in fallout's favor.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
It's a full-fledged RPG. They already talked about designing gameplay around dozens of hours before.
This. So much this. Their excuse doesn't make sense to me as they say it cause of those three games I'd say Fallout was the most similar honestly. Now if they said they thought fallout was the least popular I could see that (the fallout fan in me would be offended I admit) but I suspect they don't want to offend the fallout fans which is why they went with "most different".
GeordieMark
Member
From the makers of Killzone: Shadow Fall too.
Flame Lord
Member
I don't know, of the two I'm more excited about Tomb Raider than Fallout (though I'm not really that excited about either).
The Witcher 3 is still fixing issues, their patch notes are absolutely huge. Can we stop pretending only Bethesda's large open world RPG have a lot of issues?
Mushroomer25
Member
I felt the same way going into MGS V. The hype was kind of silent, just brewing under the surface right up until launch - when suddenly it became taboo to talk about anything else for a solid week.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
OK this is really going off topic, but they they will have a lot more competition next holiday season than Horizon.
I hope it'll be the same. Hearing others talking about TES/Fallout is always fun.
I'm not planning on playing it for the next two years so I'm all in on those videos/discussions.
24h GB live stream plz.
This is some crazy assumption here. Audiences not similar?
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Should have released it last tue against nothing.
speedomodel
Member
Really? I mean, I'm excited for Horizon too but it's Guerilla Games let's know what we're getting into with it. Doubtful it will be long ass.
speedomodel
Member
If only this wisdom was known to them. It's like they had some knowledge that wasn't public, or you know something.
Guy LeDouche
Banned
what does MS gain out of this anyway? The best i can figure is # of people who buy an XB1 and RotTR this year, which there certainly will be some, but I can't imagine enough.
If you already own an XB1 (and don't own a PS4), and you buy it, who cares? You would have bought it regardless of timing. It's a win if multi-console owners buy it on XB1, but there will be plenty of multi-console owners who end up waiting for PS4, as well as PS4-only owners who already have a lot to choose from and they can still get it next year.
And the next TR game will probably be multi-platform. I believe MS had good intentions when this deal first took off, unfortunate it seems like it will land with a thud.
If you already own an XB1 (and don't own a PS4), and you buy it, who cares? You would have bought it regardless of timing. It's a win if multi-console owners buy it on XB1, but there will be plenty of multi-console owners who end up waiting for PS4, as well as PS4-only owners who already have a lot to choose from and they can still get it next year.
And the next TR game will probably be multi-platform. I believe MS had good intentions when this deal first took off, unfortunate it seems like it will land with a thud.
Admiral Woofington
Member
Let's be completely honest though, exclusivity isn't doing them favors considering that Halo 5 just came out and then we have big name multiplat games releasing in its vicinity. Being multi-plat in this case would have helped with sales.
And that anecdotal fact merits an eyeroll because... ?
speedomodel
Member
I don't know how this could ever be determined, but I do doubt plenty who own both would wait. I dunno, I think if someone is planning on buying in 2015 and then it becomes only available on 1 system, even if it's not their preferred, I can't see them waiting a whole year..
Steverulez
Member
When the deal was made Uncharted was due this holiday, MS didn't have a similar title to go up against it and I bet Square shit themselves at the prospect of going up against Uncharted.
MS paid Square for timed exclusivity, Uncharted got delayed, etc etc. Other things could have been going on with the game and more money was nice or something, bigger marketing support etc, I don't think it harms Xbox or MS to have this deal
family_guy
Member
Don't get why it has to be a competition. If I were interested in both I'd buy both. Money isn't an issue. I switch between multiple games at a time. Sometimes I feel like playing an RPG, sometimes a fighting, a shooter, etc.
What did the reboot sell at NPD and what month was it? How were the first week sales in the UK?
In terms of mass units we basically have the US and UK markets to look to, with a scattering of sales elsewhere. The benefit it has here is releasing in the biggest shopping period of the year instead of summer. The disadvantage is it's releasing on one platform, that accounted for the least sales of the previous entry, with very little bundle support in its largest market (the biggest error I think), and that isn't successful in the markets where the IP is. It's also surrounded by 80% of the other releases for the year. To me, this sounds like Sunset Overdrive 2.0 ... with a less appealing bundle of limited availability.
In terms of mass units we basically have the US and UK markets to look to, with a scattering of sales elsewhere. The benefit it has here is releasing in the biggest shopping period of the year instead of summer. The disadvantage is it's releasing on one platform, that accounted for the least sales of the previous entry, with very little bundle support in its largest market (the biggest error I think), and that isn't successful in the markets where the IP is. It's also surrounded by 80% of the other releases for the year. To me, this sounds like Sunset Overdrive 2.0 ... with a less appealing bundle of limited availability.
Because that's literally how markets work; products compete, and money is an issue.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
The delay will do that at least for PS4 version.
grosvenor_92
Member
Sure it will sell more vs Fallout compared to the other 2 however why not just delay it and release it the same day as the PC version next year
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Because it was meant to sell Xbox Ones this Fall.
They could have just skipped all 3 and went with an early next year release, like a few games did. More polish couldn't hurt either.
They probably wanted it to be their Uncharted 4 counter for this year, but ND decided to delay it, so it was pointless in the end.
They probably wanted it to be their Uncharted 4 counter for this year, but ND decided to delay it, so it was pointless in the end.
Two $60 games on the same platform, on the same day are absolutely competing. The genre is irrelevant.
Admiral Woofington
Member
I don't know what the implication is. That people can't like multiple genres?
Ascenion
Member
I agree with the strategy but I find fault with the reasoning. Fallout is a massive single player game, Tomb Raider is also a pretty big single player game, why are you worried about multiplayer titles? I mean hell that's all Battlefront is. I'd have taken my chances against Battlefront personally. I think Fallout 4 specifically is more of a threat to Tomb Raider, given what each game is offering is a more personal experience. I can hop on live for a match or two of CoD or Battlefront and then go back to Tomb Raider, but once I start Fallout 4. That's it. I won't be touching another single player game until I'm done, but that's just me.
That the market at large won't buy more than one release in the same week, or maybe month. Given this limit any titles releasing on the same day compete. See: the other week where 3 JRPGs all released on the same day much to everyone's confusion.
No, it's not.
hydrophilic attack
Member
I don't understand why they are releasing this during the holiday rush. Why don't they just delay it into, say, February, when it has next to no competition, and would get better mindshare. Is it just because MS wants an exclusive in the Holiday season? They have Halo. That should be enough. They are sabotaging potential performance of this game for no good reason.