Is not the problem that Mike from Alpha Protocol is a defined character, and Fallout is supposed to star a character of your own creation?
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Is not the problem that Mike from Alpha Protocol is a defined character, and Fallout is supposed to star a character of your own creation?
You have no idea of this happens. In fact in the released footage that people are referencing in the introduction there is a dialog choice that does NOT advance the dialog and you stay on previous 4 choices with the one you just made being greyed out.
I'm all for people being upset about verified changes, but a lot of this seems like people making hay about what they THINK something will be like.
Quality post. What build do you want from Fallout 3/New Vegas that you can not get here?
No, it's Two or three extra options scrolling down, one of which is "goodbye"
Honestly, i'd just like us to not shit on the games systems until you've actually had a chance to use them.
I'll take as many "i told you so" 's afterwards, but this is getting ridiculous.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Yeah the new system seems great.
You broke your link, fixed.
Dialogue starts at 5:40.
And, oh god, it somehow manages to give me a worse impression than I had from the wheel screenshots alone. Like it's the same sort of interaction you'd have in Fallout 3, except in Fallout 3 you'd have real text and a gamey head-on camera, and here you just have the wheel of shame for the voice actor to spout a few words, and it's presented with a cinematic camera angle of people woodenly standing still with dead expressions and awkward silences.
Lalalandia
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My mistake, Bethesda scroll bars have always behaved weirdly (given that 80% of the bar is empty I'd have expected at east another 5 text lines under there)
Can we create a video game version of Godwin's Law that stipulates that every conversation surrounding dumbing down AAA games almost always reverts back around to mentioning CoD.
Monster Zero
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Are we assuming all the dialog in FO4 is going to be this limited? Did the script leak or is this rabble rabble
Coreda
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So long as there are subtitles available to be extracted there will be mods to change the dialog presentation, though I'm unsure how the cross-platform compatibility will work.
The extreme summarization of the options seems to be one of the main sticking points. In something like the Witcher 3 the dialog choices at least provide more context as to what Geralt will say while from what we've seen of FO4 it's more vague.
The extreme summarization of the options seems to be one of the main sticking points. In something like the Witcher 3 the dialog choices at least provide more context as to what Geralt will say while from what we've seen of FO4 it's more vague.
Are you being facetious? What does the presentation have to do with dumbing down the dialog and removing skills?
Windom Earle
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tattooed_dwarf
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I can't wait for this game!
How about you THINK about what you just said yourself first? What you said is basically a confirmation of what i said. Think about your scenario, you talk to the person again after picking that one option, the one you picked is greyed out right? So where is the room for a new topic? There isn't one, since you have to "end" the current topic first.
Also i'm not saying this is how it is, i'm really hoping that is not the case, but that "would" be the consequence if this 4 option limit would exist.
People who have decided to dislike something before trying it talking with other people who have also decided to dislike this thing and then they all talk about how much they've all decided to dislike this thing because of one guy who said he also dislikes it on the internet because that's an efficient use of one's time.
That and selectively grabbing a handful of several thousand middle-school difficult sentences from several games and agreeing that the oldest and most archaic ones are the greatest thing to grace the Earth since Jesus invented sliced bread and created America.
If it's okay to like something before trying it then it has to be okay to dislike something before trying it.
They can definitely add longer dialogue with the new format...
Oh yeah because all of that extra text cluttering the screen really adds to the immersion. His response is definitely going to be interesting enough to warrant it being there....
Lalalandia
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PC: "Sorry, sounds rough"
NPC: "Thanks, good to meet someone who really cares" (sounding surprised and deeply moved by a 3 word comment)
Yeesh that Bethesda writing, gunplay seems miles better but yeah the dialogue isn't seeming much deeper from that clip.
[Sounds useful] turns into "That's some serious protection"
afternoon delight
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Thank you- especially in an established series.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
I did not know this. Thanks Bethesda!
It looks like a good change. A lot of the skills are still there as perks, and there aren't really any dump stats anymore. Charisma was useless in New Vegas. No real reason to put it above 1, unless you were playing in hardcore and wanted to give your companions a better shot at survival.
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It's just hilarious to that people are suggesting that an older system of dialogue is objectively better than anything newer, because... because.
I played Fallout 2 for the first time over the summer (got it for $5) and enjoyed it but not because most of the dialogue was all dumped into an initial conversation menu instead of having to rely as heavily on branching dialogue farther from fewer options in the newer games.
And I don't think I'm going to significantly dislike this game either for the opposite reasons.
Rushersauce
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Hey hey... They dumbed down the SPECIAL and perk systems, in case you didn't notice....
BUT NOW THEY HAVE ANIMATIONS. WHOOPTY FUCKING DOO.
... Did someone get banned for something like that?
The dialogue does look pretty rough, I've seen a lot of people throwing out ideas that mods would be able to take subtitles etc and make it the old way. If that's feasible we don't really know yet but that's my hope, the dialogue is the only thing i'm not too happy about.
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It's the reason why Skyrim abandoned actual player agency in favor of perk-trees and it appears to be the case as to why Fallout 4 has all but abandoned the SPECIAL system, which was originally the backbone on which your character was developed.
So yeah I'd say it's pretty damned appropriate to mention.
The irony here is truly staggering.
Good thing I talked about how much I liked the new conversation system though huh?
TimeEffect
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They can definitely add longer dialogue with the new format...
Yeah, this will bother me a lot.
There are some games in which the text has a completely different tone than what is said/expanded upon if selected.
Define "dumbed down"
They can definitely add longer dialogue with the new format...
I would like it if he actually leaves when you say you are not interested and you die in the nuclear blast
TimeEffect
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Codwin's Law?
What's even the point in doing voice acting if the voice actor records all of his lines as emotionlessly as possible?
I wonder how Fem
Rushersauce
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Let me guess.... You started playing Fallout in its third installment and you disliked NV. Is it true? That'll explain a lot.
I do talk to NPCs, but it's not like I need to talk to all of them. I don't know, just prefer the marker system, doesn't make a game less of an RPG for me. As for it not making sense for the player to know where to go. True enough. But we can go down that road and pretty much dissect any game and realize how far from reality it really is. How do stimpacs heal limbs? How does rad away take away radiation? How is it that the player can survive even one bullet hitting them let alone 20? I try not to think about the reality breaking details and just enjoy the game.
ZombieSupaStar
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Lol no more a tongue in cheek comment about obsidian vs bethesda in writing.
Now in bugs..... That's hogan vs warrior wm6 tier lol
stufte
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You still have to suffer with hearing the terrible main VA all for that cinematic story telling.
Is there anything wrong with cinematic story telling? No, Bioware and CDPR are actually good at it. Bethesda are not. Their expertise comes in world building.
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funkystudent
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I like this thread.
Its a big fight between people nit picking every little thing and people who cant accept anyone saying anything negative about the game because fallout 4 is the second coming of jesus so shut up LALALALALA.
Cant wait to play it as see it myself. Would be a shame if it was even more dumbed out because its been happening with every game since Morrowind. Fallout 5 is going to be a borderlands clone at this stage.
Its a big fight between people nit picking every little thing and people who cant accept anyone saying anything negative about the game because fallout 4 is the second coming of jesus so shut up LALALALALA.
Cant wait to play it as see it myself. Would be a shame if it was even more dumbed out because its been happening with every game since Morrowind. Fallout 5 is going to be a borderlands clone at this stage.
I swear to you Bethesda casts the worst Voice Actors or has the worst Voice Director. Compare all their stuff to any BioWare game from any time period and it's embarrassing. BioWare's voice acting and writing can make me care about the smallest most insignificant character who you may only meet once.
Instead of getting my guns skill to 50 and then getting a perk that gives me 10% more rifle damage, I just get a perk that gives 20% more rifle damage. Same shit, less complex. I'd prefer the former myself, but I haven't played FO4 yet so I can't say if I dislike it or not.
Windom Earle
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I don't know, sounds like a downgrade to me. RPG fans love real stat customization and "build building". Hiding everything behind perks could work, but I am not so sure.
I'm telling you, even as a huge fan of Fallout the review thread is going to be something special. I don't think the game is going to review as well as some other Bethesda games. I think it's going to bring in a lot of extreme opinions.
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