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Fallout 4 has gone gold; leaked gameplay vids

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JaeCryo

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I like this thread.

Its a big fight between people nit picking every little thing and people who cant accept anyone saying anything negative about the game because fallout 4 is the second coming of jesus so shut up LALALALALA.


Cant wait to play it as see it myself. Would be a shame if it was even more dumbed out because its been happening with every game since Morrowind. Fallout 5 is going to be a borderlands clone at this stage.

Is there some sort of safe haven we can go to together stranger?
 
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Did the leaker say anything about bugs btw?
We already knew about the graphics and the conversations since E3, so that seems a tad more interesting.

I don't consider the burning dog a bug, that's just metal

Seems like it runs really well. There was one bump in about 30 hours of play where it briefly paused when a lot of shit was happening onscreen. I believe that's what I read at least.
 
I like this thread.

Its a big fight between people nit picking every little thing and people who cant accept anyone saying anything negative about the game because fallout 4 is the second coming of jesus so shut up LALALALALA.


Cant wait to play it as see it myself. Would be a shame if it was even more dumbed out because its been happening with every game since Morrowind. Fallout 5 is going to be a borderlands clone at this stage.

nah, more like a mass effect clone instead.
 

Jobbs

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What's even the point in doing voice acting if the voice actor records all of his lines as emotionlessly as possible?

I wonder how FemShepWanderer's performance compares.

I bet, like with Mass Effect, it's much better. That'd be my guess. The reason for this is at some point someone decided that male protagonists have to all sound the same and be really boring.
 

Shredderi

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The irony here is truly staggering.

Good thing I talked about how much I liked the new conversation system though huh?

It was a general guideline in having a discussion on a forum. Would you say what I said was wrong? It doesn't matter really if you said or didn't say that you like the new conversation system because what you did say seemed to imply that you don't like people dissing on some aspects of the game before playing it. I'm just saying that I think it's completely fine because otherwise we couldn't really be hyped about the good things either.
 

Machina

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Well the Fallout has gone gold thread is free of extremes, but it's also staying mostly positive so not sure if that's what you are looking for.

I'm seeing a pattern here. For every big AAA release these days there is 2 threads on GAF: one for the people still anticipating and the ones who are deeply cynical of said game and can't help but pick it to pieces.
 
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It's gotten to the point where even if you choose to disable the quest marker, they give you so little information you can't complete quests without it.

Luckily there's a mod to fix that =) I'm sure Fallout 4 will have a similar mod.

And as much as I love Morrowind that journal was frickin' awful. I literally bought an A5 journal of my own to use specifically for that game. Couldn't play without it.
 

rjinaz

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I'm seeing a pattern here. For every big AAA release these days there is 2 threads on GAF: one for the people still anticipating and the ones who are deeply cynical of said game and can't help but pick it to pieces.

Maybe that's the way it should be. Fallout 4 is definitely worthy of some valid criticism. But at the same time, I also like to talk about some of the things I do like about it. Two threads make that possible.
 
"Fallout 3/New Vegas had a great dialog system that Fallout 4's Cross Dialog can not possibly live up to."

Based on a screenshot, a forced conversation to move the narrative along and a single players impression.

https://vid.me/C1JI: Here is a video showing the conversation with Preston Garvey. Because it's filmed with a potato, you can not see all of the dialog choices but they aren't the "Good, "Bad", "Neutral" and "Question" bullshit people were tossing about. It also shows that conversation is now indeed more free flowing with a second NPC joining the conversation.

Also the guy playing is terrible and relies on VATS to reload.

Oh god.

Why is the dialogue so damn awkward? They decided to use a voiced main character and this is the best they can do? It looks and sound terrible.

:(

I want to go back to just disliking the wheel.
 
I see this image being posted so often to the point that I don't think the majority of them actually understand it. People tend to forget how much of a clusterfuck Morrowind could be, getting lost left and right, sometimes without any sense of either direction or progression. And people expect a similar thing in a game as huge as Skyrim? Nah man, ain't gonna happen.

There's a subtle difference between appreciating player intelligence and creating comfort, both Morrowind and Skyrim are on the extreme opposite sides of the spectrum. I have yet to see an open world game that does this absolutely perfect. As a recent example, Witcher 3 does this the same as Skyrim as well and we rarely hear about it.

Morrowind was more memorable for me than Skyrim could ever be cause it actually forced me to talk to NPC's and explore the world in a way that Skyrim never did. I could understand the frustrations with being lost(it happened often) but it was worth it in the end. I am just playing vampire: bloodlines for the first time and it's refreshing to be lost in a game again. You don't get lost for that long most of the time but it feels great not to just go from marker to marker.
 

JaeCryo

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Well the Fallout has gone gold thread is free of extremes, but it's also staying mostly positive so not sure if that's what you are looking for.

I am positive. It's my most anticipated game this year behind Witcher 3.

I'm just not making decisions on my critical opinion on something I cannot physically play yet.

And I don't know about some other people here but it takes more than one random internet poster's impressions to color my opinions.
 

Nabbis

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I'm seeing a pattern here. For every big AAA release these days there is 2 threads on GAF: one for the people still anticipating and the ones who are deeply cynical of said game and can't help but pick it to pieces.

It's like were obligated to throw our money at them. When it comes to entertainment products, there's nothing positive for the consumer in being positive. Worst case scenario, i save money.
 
Let me guess.... You started playing Fallout in its third installment and you disliked NV. Is it true? That'll explain a lot.

Like almost everyone probably. I doubt most had even heard of Fallout before 3 in the general gaming populace. And I never knew people liked NV more than 3 until I came on GAF so there's that.
 

Machina

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Maybe that's the way it should be. Fallout 4 is definitely worthy of some valid criticism. But at the same time, I also like to talk about some of the things I do like about it. Two threads make that possible.

I almost think it's a symptom of OT's not going up a few days earlier like they used to. People divide up into their "factions" (lol) which almost seems more muddled and messy than the single OT topic.

But I guess it keeps the shitposts out of the OT.

It's like were obligated to throw our money at them. When it comes to entertainment products, there's nothing positive for the consumer in being positive.

I am deeply cynical about most things in my life and in this world, I'm not going to taint the one thing I absolutely love doing with that garbage.
 

sappyday

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Yeah, that's why im so perplexed. Some asshole thought that this shitty abomination will be a net positive.

And considering they're barely releasing footage, they're relying on the success of past games (mainly Skyrim and F3) to get a lot of the net and those games didn't have or need VA.
 
Guys, I do want to point out that a one word summary dialogue system is not INHERENTLY bad and does not exactly mean a dumbing down of choices. After all, one of my favorite games is Alpha Protocol in which every line of dialogue is reduced to the coice of "Suave," "Professional," and "Aggressive." That said, even that system bugged the hell out of most people because we didn't always know what the hell Michael would do a lot of times. Still, the story choices and decisions in that game were on fucking point.

It can work, sure. When you have writers that can actually write dialogue that's worth a fuck.
This is not the case with Bethesda.
 

rjinaz

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I am positive. It's my most anticipated game this year behind Witcher 3.

I'm just not making decisions on my critical opinion on something I cannot physically play yet.

And I don't know about some other people here but it takes more than one random internet poster's impressions to color my opinions.

Oh I wasn't making any assumptions about you, sorry if you thought I was. I was just pointing out how that thread is currently going.

Honestly I can see why some people at least are upset right now by what they are seeing. I don't like it all either. That's why I hang out in this read and read what the more reasonable people are saying.
 

daammyy

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Did the leaker say anything about bugs btw?
We already knew about the graphics and the conversations since E3, so that seems a tad more interesting.

I don't consider the burning dog a bug, that's just metal

Looking at his post history there has been once where the game crashed during his 30 hours of gameplay.
 

ZeroRay

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Morrowind by design was intended for you to have to know and immerse yourself in the world in order to succeed. If you beat Morrowind, you definitely knew about, and could explain the dynamics and politics of most of the factions inhabiting the world alongside many of the peoples and cultures within. That's why many of the quests gave you a target, but didn't tell you exactly where to go and what to do, that was up to the player to figure out.

Bethesda since then has simplified things to the point where the worlds their games take place in are giant quest hubs with only an option for players to dig a little deeper if they choose to. Much like the Witcher 3, a world that mainly serves the player has to have interesting content for the player to do - and unfortunately the magic has worn out quicker with each subsequent game the company has released. I actually gave Skyrim my 2011 GOTY, but would definitely not consider it that anymore.
 
Man that's cool. I just wish Bethesda would talk more about what mods they're allowing on console. I just have no faith in them doing that properly.

Something like "Better Quest Objectives" is exactly the kind of mod console gamers can expect to see. It's visual improvement mods that won't be available.
 

Dinda

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I'm seeing a pattern here. For every big AAA release these days there is 2 threads on GAF: one for the people still anticipating and the ones who are deeply cynical of said game and can't help but pick it to pieces.

I can't wait for the game, have it (and it's Season Pass) sitting in my Steam account. Am 100% sure i will have a blast with it, and i'm still here and criticize the way the dialog seems to be "evolving" in the wrong direction. Which Thread is for me?
 

JaeCryo

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It was a general guideline in having a discussion on a forum. Would you say what I said was wrong? It doesn't matter really if you said or didn't say that you like the new conversation system because what you did say seemed to imply that you don't like people dissing on some aspects of the game before playing it. I'm just saying that I think it's completely fine because otherwise we couldn't really be hyped about the good things either.

I wouldn't say it's wrong but I would say it wasn't applicable to me. But yeah, I guess it isn't up to me whether people think that or not so it's fine that you did. Didn't mean to bait.

People have the right to get hyped/anti-hyped for something preemptively, I do it all the time, but call me crazy if I think it's a little sad and/or funny how quickly people are qualifying a product like Fallout 4 from a single random impression.

I could end up disliking the conversation a lot. However, I got through the ME series just fine without any "clarity" problems on dialogue options (I'm not sure how anyone could but hey, everyone's different) so it's going to take an actual hands-on impression for me to decide.
 

Machina

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I can't wait for the game, have it (and it's Season Pass) sitting in my Steam account. Am 100% sure i will have a blast with it, and i'm still here and criticize the way the dialog seems to be "evolving" in the wrong direction. Which Thread is for me?

I'm exactly the same as you friend, we're birds of a feather. Lets flock together and watch the apes fling their shit.
 

sappyday

Member
I can't wait for the game, have it (and it's Season Pass) sitting in my Steam account. Am 100% sure i will have a blast with it, and i'm still here and criticize the way the dialog seems to be "evolving" in the wrong direction. Which Thread is for me?

The one I'm in. This feels like another MGSV situation for me. I loved playing the game but god a lot of the design choices in those games (and story choices) pissed me off. I'm expecting the same here. I have the game pre-ordered and I plan on calling off sick (something I have not done yet) just to play it, but I fully expect for a lot of the choices Bethesda made to piss me off.
 

Rixxan

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i just watched that conversation with preston garvey

pretty much exactly what i expected, its not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be

not bothered by it, speech/dialogue has never been at the top of my list in terms of what i enjoy from bethesda titles

that being said, i understand how it could bother someone else, and i hope that those people can enjoy this title despite the changes
 

sappyday

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Maybe I don't have time to immerse myself completely and fully in the world. Maybe I just want to play the game and do some light role playing.

Hey that's fine but unfortunately it seems like the game is mainly targeting people like you. And by unfortunate I mean unfortunate for people like me who want to role play hard into the world like I've done in the past games. It should be allowed for both types.
 

JaeCryo

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Oh I wasn't making any assumptions about you, sorry if you thought I was. I was just pointing out how that thread is currently going.

Honestly I can see why some people at least are upset right now by what they are seeing. I don't like it all either. That's why I hang out in this read and read what the more reasonable people are saying.


Everyone is being facetious around here :p

Same, but I haven't disliked a Bethesda game in the 12 years I've played them so I'll give them the dignity of actually playing their game before deciding on it's quality.
 
Maybe I don't have time to immerse myself completely and fully in the world. Maybe I just want to play the game and do some light role playing.

there are plenty of other games that will give you that. too bad they had to make fallout 4 one of those games too now
Did anybody post this leaked footage of power armor being used yet? SPOILERS

https://vid.me/Q9j2

how spoilery? i just want to see gameplay, does it have story spoilers?
 

Jobbs

Banned
I predict that his gif will be a better gaming experience than actually playing Fallout 4.

I don't get the complaint, though. I guess the dog being on fire is sorta funny in a way, but what would you prefer? Instant death if he contacts fire? Fire immunity? This is a video game, after all. In many games the player can catch fire too (and I imagine in this one).

While Neogaf isn't actually a monolith and we have a variety of opinions here, the overall feeling of my experience reading Fallout 4 threads over the past couple days is a swirling vortex of gleeful negativity, and I don't understand it. As a long time fan of Bethesda games and someone who has day one'd each Bethesda RPG since Morrowind, I haven't seen anything yet that bothers me. I can't wait for tuesday! That's why the texture of Neogaf feels so odd. I don't know from what seed this enthusiastic hatred of the game and this rush to come to negative conclusions based on little or no information grows.
 

Shredderi

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I wouldn't say it's wrong but I would say it wasn't applicable to me. But yeah, I guess it isn't up to me whether people think that or not so it's fine that you did. Didn't mean to bait.

People have the right to get hyped/anti-hyped for something preemptively, I do it all the time, but call me crazy if I think it's a little sad and/or funny how quickly people are qualifying a product like Fallout 4 from a single random impression.

I could end up disliking the conversation a lot. However, I got through the ME series just fine without any "clarity" problems on dialogue options (I'm not sure how anyone could but hey, everyone's different) so it's going to take an actual hands-on impression for me to decide.

Allright, fair enough.
 
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