Samurai G0SU
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Very nice! Uncharted 4 gonna use this??
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Recent PS4 SDK update unlocked 7th CPU core for gaming
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Neuromancer
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If I go back and play Knack now, will I see a big difference?
Finaika
Member
Will this update make current games run better?
No.
FeenixRising
Banned
Correct. Any games that haven't been programmed to take advantage of this seventh core will get no use of it being unlocked.
This isn't like when RAM is freed up on the system and already existing games can actually take advantage of that.
TheStruggler
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I'm stupid when it comes to this shit so as a gamer, what kind of improvements do you think we will see in future games on the ps4?
Can they patch these improvements? Not that I think any devs would go through that effort, just hypothetically speaking
johnnydrama
Banned
Eh, I don't know if this is going to make any real difference, but good for the devs they have some more power to work with.
Two of the basis for the A9X "miracle" are the geekbench number which is oriented around mobile plus our conjecture that it somehow scales very linearly to desktop workloads if Apple simply wants to.
Yeah they can patch the games to run better but they also could have done that without the 7th core being unlocked.
I would think so:
Naughty Dog is home to the ICE Team, one of Sonys World Wide Studios central technology groups. The ICE Team focuses on creating core graphics technologies used by all PlayStation developers. The ICE Team has been involved with the development of the PlayStation®4 since its inception, including hardware design, graphics libraries, performance analysis tools, and developer support (hardware evangelism).
Hypothetically speaking, sure.
But you usually wouldn't try to make those types of changes to your game after it releases.
Samurai G0SU
Member
Or they already planned for 7th core availability since very early on :]
Geekbench scores should be taken with a grain of salt. According to those scores the A9 is close to a 2.5Ghz Core i5-2520M, which of course isn't realistic.
Here's another article with a different set of benchmarks where the A9 trades blows with a Core 2 Duo E6700, which I believe is more in line with the real performance of the SoC.
Here's another article with a different set of benchmarks where the A9 trades blows with a Core 2 Duo E6700, which I believe is more in line with the real performance of the SoC.
Significantly worse? Maybe if you're talking about apple chips. I don't think the new qualcomms or even samsungs are THAT much better.
Emulation isn't something you can just split over a ton of cores. You can handle some things on different cores like pcsx2 does, but I don't think that will scale well all the way to 6 cores.
On the other hand, I also doubt you could do it on 1 core. I don't know... It's easy to say, oh the ps2 only runs at 333MHz and the ps4 cpu runs at 1600, but obviously it's a lot more complicated than that. Maybe they could, who knows..
dlbeast
Member
So a game like Witcher 3 couldn't have a downloaded update to take advantage?
oops just saw my question answered.
To add any games that suffer fps issues from the past it would be awesome if they used it to code in an update to give it some fps love.
Only new titles would use. SDK updates take a year or more to make it into use. Game engines, game design, QA etc. So games later in 2016, in particular 2017 may use.
Futurematic
Member
It could yes. But it would require a patch, the game wouldn't automatically be updated. It is not, however, likely for most games.
Beerman462
Member
Pretty funny that people scoffed at the idea of the Xbox One getting an advantage from extra CPU core and a slight overclock. Now all of a sudden the PS4 might have an extra core available and it's release the Kraken.
Nah Apple has overcome the laws of thermal dynamics and made a CPU that's as powerful as an i5 at a 10th of the power consumption.
Nah Apple has overcome the laws of thermal dynamics and made a CPU that's as powerful as an i5 at a 10th of the power consumption.
Pimpbaa
Member
Any ram freed up won't be used by old games either. They expect only a certain amount if ram to be available and are programmed only to use that amount. Any new features added to SDKs for consoles will never benefit older games unless they are patched to do so.
Pimpbaa
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PS4 had a lot more to gain since its GPU is held back a great deal by the CPU going by what similar specced video cards paired with better CPUs are doing on PC.
Thread look about the same as the Xbox One thread
http://67.227.255.239/forum/showthread.php?t=963697
I would assume that they designed their multi-threaded game engine in such a way that it is basically independent of the number of cores. All they would have to do with a variable amount of cores, is to tweak some global variables like the fixed frame rate size, number of AI and other CPU related stuff.
Aceofspades
Banned
Why are people talking about Twister as if it's comparable to Jaguar? On a per core basis perhaps but so far Twister has had no plans for higher than a quad core setup which means comparing per core performance doesn't give an accurate representation of differences in performance when looking at an 8 core processor like the Jaguar found in current gen consoles.
boredandlazy
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Whatever they can use to try shitting over the current gen consoles. Which is hardly necessary really, since we already know the CPU in the current gen consoles is probably a weak point.
DangerMouse
Member
Yeah, I definitely expect movies.
While it'd probably be super super rare it might be possible on games. Perhaps some smaller or indie games might be able to do it. Back when it came out the Trine 2 devs actually said that they supposedly could have ran it in 4K on PS4 if Sony had enabled 4K output on the system.
Yes we do. Nobody is really debating that. Which is why it's odd that people would bend the truth to make them look worse. I mean what the hell is the point? It's not like exaggerating the performance deficit is going to change anything. The consoles are still going to have their same processors and console gamers will still buy consoles. Moaning about their potential accomplished absolutely nothing.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
No it really didn't.
boredandlazy
Member
Well I'm sure it helps some people feel better about themselves. But that's more an indictment on the individual rather than the PS4 or XBOne.
NotSmartEnough
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I'd be surprised if this were the case. You'd design your game with a certain memory allocation in mind, but at runtime it's going to ask for memory to be allocated and will use it if it's there. If it isn't then you get contention between processes and it impacts performance.
Depending on engine design the same may be true of extra processor cores: if the engine requests available CPU resources from the OS and then shunts work to them, some engines may 'see' the extra core without being updated.
So how much recoding would you need to patch a game to take advantage of whatever performance uplift you get from the extra core?
I'm guessing it'd change from game to game, and the main calculation behind doing it would be time&effort/gain...unless there's an educational process there which would make it worth doing.
I'm guessing it'd change from game to game, and the main calculation behind doing it would be time&effort/gain...unless there's an educational process there which would make it worth doing.
Panajev2001a
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CPU and RAM wise, given the PS4 does not have to worry about snap like features, you can assume the game is either backgrounded or full screen using the full system resources minus a known set of system services (notifications, custom background music, PS Store downloads and uploads, etc...) some of which are backed by a secondary CPU with its own private memory pool (background video recording, streaming, etc...). Although going to areas like the share screen is quick, the game is paused and control given to the OS including the bulk of system resources, CPU cores included.
Essentially, the OS has likely at least two modes of operation: shrinking when the game is full screen with only game companion that need to run (streaming a game and keeping the chat comments coming and the watchers notification, etc...) and reclaiming resources whenever brought in full control again. The system is never running complex and resource hogging operations when the game is active and viceversa.
It is off-topic because another core won't make the ps4 4k. It can render 4k but don't expect good graphics.
It depends on the game, but usually game devs only have a very small team supporting for a few months after release, for DLC elements. To have to rework the engine core and QA again for a tiny performance boost 99% of players aren't going to notice makes no business sense.
This will come into play a year or two away on new releases. It's already used on Battlefront on Xbox One, hence why the audio cuts out when you snap apps and screenshot (the 7th core is also OS shared, on XB1, and with BF they moved audio processing to core 7).
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Excellent. Unlocking the 7th core means they can finally bring me Asura's Wrath HD.
Oh mang, these threads always devolve into a dick-measuring contest.
Oh mang, these threads always devolve into a dick-measuring contest.
FranXico
Member
I would buy again Echochrome 4K. But then again, I would need a 4K TV first.
1080p games must look horrible in a large 4K TV.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
maybe we can finally get games that run at solid 30fps now.
They don't look much worse than a 1080p TV of a similar size, from what I've seen.
aygomyownroad
Member
It's big news. Microsoft needed to shout this out but as the ps4 has superior graphics and sales they don't need to be loud.
Good on you Sony.
Good on you Sony.
No they look fine. Upscaling 1080p to 4k is trivial because it's exactly 2x the resolution in each direction.
FranXico
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maybe we can finally get games that run at solid 30fps now.
But at what cost, Cortana? At what cost?