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Does the Witch's resurrection get around a Strongman? I.e. Strongmen can't be prevented from killing a target by any role, but does the Witch actually inrerfere with the kill or n
 

CzarTim

Member
No, I haven't. I think, at least?
Don't take this as me vouching for him, because I am not sure of his alignment. He has one of the most consistent scum / town games in GAFia which makes him hard to read, and this is what I expect from Mak, contribution-wise, either way. I am leaning town purely on gut.
 

Burbeting

Banned
Burb, I know you are really concerned about my lack of acknowledgement of your strongman argument and how it's suspect, but...

You seen to be the only one to ever mentioned it before your role reveal, as far as I can tell. I remember seeing your mention of it and honestly thought nothing of it as a possibility. It's my mistake, clearly, but you are interpreting it as something I did for nefarious reasons when in reality I just didn't put any stock in the idea before. And I was wrong about it.

Regarding today, I'm willing to vote Rats, Crimson and Makai. I think a decent case has been made for Rats, but it's not great. Crimson is the big what if for me. I don't think he's scum, but if he is its quite the game changer.

There are enough weird things around Crimson that makes me suspect him, but not a lot that he's done. Mostly just the circumstances: that he's still alive, that he wasn't even targeted last night, that the deputy (Cabot) was killed off before he was.

The Concern is even more on you because of the fact that I had directly reminded you by adding to your post about the possibilities yesterday, yet you still did not make even a note about. That was very strange.
 

CzarTim

Member
06 [m] CzarTim – So far I have a good feeling about CzarTim. He seems to have been more active participant in the game after my original assessment of him I wrote during N1. He has been a much more driving force to the game, which has made me feel good about him. However, I do feel that his posts have been a bit safe, and I feel that if there is a “scum town leader”, he would be a good nominee for that. Also his jumping between votes was odd yesterday, although now we know that he was trying to save town. – TOWN, BUT RED FLAGS

Can I ask exactly why you found my vote jumping odd? I literally don't understand this logic at all.
 

Burbeting

Banned
Can I ask exactly why you found my vote jumping odd? I literally don't understand this logic at all.

I do not know your role for sure, so I have to look at all sorts of odd behaviour, like I said yesterday. And I still think it was interesting how you kept jumping from vote to vote. And yeah, you have justified yourself with it already, I'm just now sure if I should believe it 100%.
 

Timeaisis

Member
The Concern is even more on you because of the fact that I had directly reminded you by adding to your post about the possibilities yesterday, yet you still did not make even a note about. That was very strange.

Fair enough. I guess that's something that'll just be out there. I can't convince you that it wasn't intentional, but that's the way the game goes.
 
People ignore posts all the time, or at least don't acknowledge them. It's not really something that I see as overly malicious, sometimes there's just nothing really to say in reply to something, and most of what we're posting is just speculation anyway. I've mentioned a few times that I think Ultron was the most likely Vig target for night 1, I don't think I've seen anyone acknowledge that either. Not that I need anyone too, since it's just speculation, I'm just using it as an example here.

Obviously you had reason for suggesting that there might be a strongman Burb, but without the role-claim, it's just as easy to write off as idle speculation, or at least to not give it any more weight than other theories being but forward.
 
Honestly, I'd like to see a split vote between Timeaisis and Rats today. Make it artificially done if need be, there need not be a main bandwagon today

Because just having everyone vote Rats will tell us nothing
 

Timeaisis

Member
Honestly, I'd like to see a split vote between Timeaisis and Rats today. Make it artificially done if need be, there need not be a main bandwagon today

Because just having everyone vote Rats will tell us nothing

What are you implying here? Someone makes an artificial bandwagon onto me or Rats? This is a very weird suggestion.

Let the arguments speak for themselves.
 
I can sort of see the logic behind not wanting a single bandwagon. Force people to pick between two, and how the winner flips could tell us a bit when looking at the voters.

Of course, this assumes that the people we bandwagon are of different alignments, and seeing as we have no way to verify that either before or after the voting, it strikes me as something which could potentially help in the long term, but not enough to make it seem like something worth trying to force.

as Timeaisis said, let arguments speak for themselves, if two people are on the firing line, great, if not, bandwagoning someone artificially seems like a great way to keep mislynching.
 

Swamped

Banned
Honestly, I'd like to see a split vote between Timeaisis and Rats today. Make it artificially done if need be, there need not be a main bandwagon today

Because just having everyone vote Rats will tell us nothing

I see what you're getting at. And if neither are scum, voting patterns might elucidate who is.
 

Swamped

Banned
Given that the Wolf team has a Strongman, it's possible that they also have some defensive power, right? Especially given the number of non-wolf killing powers that are present.
 
Given that the Wolf team has a Strongman, it's possible that they also have some defensive power, right? Especially given the number of non-wolf killing powers that are present.

it could be like election mafia: an offensively inclined scum and defensively (or non-investigative role inclined) town
 

FluxWaveZ

Member
yo Flux, if you were targeted by sk and scum on the same night, that means you were doing something right. Why do you keep acting like that was a bad thing?

I was a Follower last game. Do you think that having the Town's Follower—practically its only investigative role—die on N1 is a good thing? "Hooray, FluxWaveZ died on N1 and he had a PR that could help us figure out what's going on! Man, I'm glad he played so well."

No it doesn't. Dying first is literally the best indicator possible that you are playing well.

Oh yeah, says the Power Role who apparently wasted his ability on the first two nights because he was scared of dying before being able to use them.
 

batsnacks

Member
I made it mostly about assuming everyone around me is an enemy, full-blown sarcasm, unreasonable arguments, relentless and unreasonable doubt, and mocking other people at any chance I could. It became more about me saying things I actually don't think, or making arguments that are the opposite of what I believe.
Does anyone believe a villager posted this?
 

batsnacks

Member
I think new player flux-wolf gave a full disclosure on how he's trying to sabotage village communications. I don't see how that post and the "play style" he's describing Have villages' best interests in mind.
 

batsnacks

Member
Several confirmed villagers got accused earlier in the game for way less. Flux literally comes out and says he is actively trying to shut down discussions and misdirect people and almost no one says anything. The fact that practically no one is acknowledging flux's posts like that makes it way more suspicious. If flux were a villager those posts are free pressure/town points for any wolves who call them out.
 

ultron87

Member
So, my current feelings on the game are that neither the Darryl or Zipped lynches were particularly suspicious. Those players dug their own graves pretty effectively, either in a quick moment with Darryl or with a not well executed gambit for Zipped. It is entirely reasonable to me that a majority of town would jump on that and string em up.

Style's death feels more suspicious. Like, sure he was inactive, but the bandwagon just kind of comes out of nowhere at the end of the day to generate a overwhelming lead. It was down to him and Greatlord Tiger, who is now Hyperactivity. Basically all the votes have either no justification at all, or are just like "hey, gotta vote for somebody". It didn't feel to me like there was a particularly greater reason to take out Style instead of GLT/Hyper. Both players had been rather inactive. So I'm just super suspicious of where the the final 10-4 result came from.

Here are those two vote piles:

style (10)
cabot 1073 (1322)
cabot 1583 (1587)
crimsonfist 1598
xamtheking 1624
fireblend 1632
*splinter 1652
trigger 1671
batsnacks 1672
swamped 1675
zippedpinhead 1678
makai 1681
style 1687

greatlord tiger (5)
burbeting 1280
swamped 1307 (1442)
rats off to ya 1437
mattyg 1546
ultron87 1643
timeaisis 1688

The most out of nowhere vote was from Trigger. So that might be a place to start? I guess the lynch that could give us the most information, were it to flip a wolf, would be Hyperactivity since those voting for him, who was GLT at the time, has an interesting mix of claimed town (me, burb) and currently highly suspicious potential scum (Rats, Time). But I haven't got a read there. Gotta think on that.
 

Burbeting

Banned
Does anyone believe a villager posted this?

Yeah it's bothersome. If all you say are lies and sarcasm, what are we supposed to belive you are thinking?

This is an team game, not full of individual performances for fun. How is your posting going to help town, Flux?
 
Question for Flux: If you've been posting things you don't actually don't think, or making arguments that are the opposite of what you believe, can you give some examples of this? And give your honest opinions on things?
 

FluxWaveZ

Member
Alright, alright. Fine, geez. Lollipop Dave has a blast and he gets a pass, but I screw around and suddenly I have visions of my head rolling on the ground.

Let me put it this way, both of these:
I have not understood Flux's line of thinking this entire game tbh.
I also like the idea of voting flux. I don't understand most of his perspectives on the game so far, so it looks like he's pushing a separate agenda.
Might be because I've actually been pretty directionless (well, until Day 4 that is). So many people have inklings of what might be scum that other people have pointed out, but then most others are like "those inklings are too obvious for them to be scum, so they must be town," and then I don't know what to think. Much easier to just attack everyone and hope something gives than to have a specific agenda. My instincts and assumptions suck, straight up—I learned that plainly from game 1—so I need to disregard them if I'm even going to make an attempt at going anywhere in terms of info gathering.

This might be a team game, but I don't even know who the "team" is. I guess Burbeting and batsnacks (ugh) are kinda leaning in a place now where I can trust what they say because of their complimentary role claims. But for the rest...?

And then there's this guy—New Sheriff—who's somehow still alive despite Drop being dropped immediately on N1. Everyone had him pegged as Town when I was wary of him, and I guess the opinion is shifting now, but that only makes me question myself and why exactly that opinion has been shifting:

Question for Flux: If you've been posting things you don't actually don't think, or making arguments that are the opposite of what you believe, can you give some examples of this? And give your honest opinions on things?

Yeah, I've been posting things I don't actually don't think, which is the opposite of what I posted I think because I don't think what I don't think.

Example, huh. Alright, that exchange I had with Burbeting expressing "doubt" at him being the Ultimate Sided Voyeur. When Burbeting claimed his role, I actually went back and realized why he was so convinced about certain things before, notably the wolf's strongman role. What he said made sense, and it made sense with what batsnacks said, so I kinda knew that they were probably both telling the truth.
 

kingkitty

Member
another read, sponsored by Doritos JACKED

Swamped:
Swamped is an interesting player. I didn't really catch her being scum the last time I played with her, so despite any gut feelings that she's lean town, I have a cackling bird on my head, tapping my forehead warning "don't be fooled again kingkitty". Anyways, I've gone through some of her post history and found some interesting tidbits. On Day 1, Swamped kinda (but not quite) did the same in this game as she did in Dongabonga mafia. She did an earlyish out of the gate vote, this time for cabot. Although in Dangaronpa mafia, she was the very first vote, and that didn't come with any type of reasoning. Why I even bother to bring this up is because Swamped was scummy scum in Dongaronpa. When she was the first vote in Danpa, I thought to myself "scum wouldn't do something like that! too much attention!". But she was scum, and she again voted early in this game, 20 minutes after the game started. Only cabot voted earlier by a few minutes to become the first vote. But maybe this is something she does normally, scum or town. Vote very early out of the gate on Day 1.

During Day 1, she concurred with Drop's plan to deputize people that are about to be lynched. Swamped then made sure that everyone knew that if Drop deputized a person that was about to be lynched, and then Drop gets nk'ed, the double vote is gone. On one hand, if Swamped was mafia, would she dig this idea? If a scumbro was deputized, he/she can't enjoy the possibilities because of a looming lynch. On the other hand, maybe scumbros did not care. If town lynched their deputy, they could then use strongman on Drop to get past any protection. Obviously the plan of deputizing someone who was about to be lynched did not materialize. But Drop was still NK'ed.

At the start of Day 2, Swamped was surprised that Drop died. She then wondered if there wasn't a protective PR, or that scum had a way to get around this protection. She didn't say there was a strongman role, and instead discussed how scum might have done some switching. I don't think it's a stretch to say that scum probably wants to keep the strongman thing under wraps. They might spend quite a lot of time talking about the endless ways scum could screw town over, but actually mentioning a real ability like the strongman would elude him. If Swamped was scum, she might feel the need to point out the various possibilities of what happened last. But I gotta say, the wording of Swamped's post seems like something scum would want to avoid. Her exact words were "Either we have no protective PRs or the wolves were able to bypass it (with switch mechanics for example)." I don't see why scum would want to even hint about a scum ability possibly bypassing a doctor. If town is going to eventually figure out the strongman role, no need for scum to help out on this bit. Better to say something like "maybe the doc protected someone else for whatever reason". It's a possibility even I considered, and if fake-townie scum came up with that reasoning, I wouldn't think it would be a bad reason. Admittedly I found this reasoning to be an actual possibility when doc cabot posted that "doc made mistake" post (We now know the truth tho. cabot tried to protect but was overruled. I mean, there's still a slight chance cabot for some reason picked another target, and scum used their strongman without any need. But Occam's razor says cabot most likely protected drop, and was overruled. That's what I'm gonna stick with for now unless there's some new revelations.)

During Day 2 she made another interesting post that I think scum probably wouldn't need to make. She discussed her suspicion against MattyG. How he latched on to easy targets, and the odd play of him saying he could prove his "villageness". Scum Swamped could have laid a little doubt on MattyG, piled on some more doubt, and then a few Day phases later, go for the kill. Instead, MattyG gets killed on Night 3. Was scum afraid that MattyG was an investigator who was gonna "prove" his villageness thru some wicked investigation lists? Of course...there's a possibility that scum were not the killers. But then that means scum got blocked, and perhaps their additional strongman kill might be charging up. Would a Vig go for MattyG? If he could "prove" his villageness, a patient Vig would wait for that to pan out, no? We also can't totally 100 percent discount a dastardly SK...but then what happened to the vig's kill? Was that, along with mafia, also blocked? Did the vig run out of bullets? Am I out of doritos?

In terms of friction, I've seen quite a bit between Swamped and Flux. She has also shown a willingness to go for Time and Rats. In my prior post, I did put Flux down as a trouble viber (with Time being my top scum for now). If Flux flips scum, I would feel a little better about Swamped. That's true as well for Time or Rats flipping scum. Despite my hesitation (and perhaps that's spurred by my past experiences playing with her), I think right now she is being helpful and I don't really disagree that much with her reads. For now I'll put her as slight town, but a large part of that is due to the friction between Flux/Time. If Flux/Time/Rats flip scum, I'd probably put her down more confidently as townie.

writing another read brb
 

Swamped

Banned
What role do you all think I am? If you thought 'Ordinary Villager' then yay, success!

It is time I come out with the information I have. I finally ran out of bullets, and I think I mostly wasted my power ;_; I'm a 3-shot Vigilante

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I decided to use my power at the beginning of the game, lest I die at night. I also wanted to use my power to eliminate players who were kind of confusing but not really getting votes to lynch. Basically, I chose my targets based on gut feelings.

On N1, I killed Terra.

I am also suspicious of Rats and Zipped. I was about Terra too, but I'm on the fence with him ever since he stated his CornBro/Darryl theory (which was that CornBro is an executioner trying to get Darryl lynched). Not because I think that's a probable theory, but because it felt like Town Terra really getting into the game and thinking about things from various angles, even if they seem a little ludicrous. Although, I'm not sure what to think of his latest apology post. I think it's genuine, because he doesn't have any votes on himself.

During the night phase, I really really struggled with Terra's apology post. In the end I decided to shoot him because of it. Up until that point I thought he was playing as a fairly normal town, so why would he apologize? But this is a terrible reason to lynch someone, so I just went with my gut, and used my god-given power.

On N2, I offed Corn.

I didn't feel too strongly about him tbh, but there were at least 5 players pinging him as scum, so I thought there was something there. I hope this wasn't a waste, if Corn was still alive we would have several players chasing a dead lead. In hindsight though I wish I had offed Time or Rats, would have at least given me some peace of mind.

N3 - I used my last bullet to target someone, so imagine my surprise this morning when they didn't die. I wasn't roleblocked. If this person were Village-aligned NK-immune, I would have expected a very different behavior from them throughout the game, trying to encourage a NK on themselves. Also, Zipped was NK immune, so is there really another village-aligned NK immune player? Given that we also had a doctor?

The thing is, if this player is some sort of village PR laying low then I misjudged them, and I will not give out their name. Commuter is another possibility.

Then again, SK's are sometimes NK-immune as well.

This is also why I asked if it's possible for wolves to have defensive power, especially given the number of non-wolf aligned killing powers.

So basically...I've used up all my bullets. I hope this information helps elucidate what happened N1, N2 and N3. There is still some killing power that is unaccounted for.

---

Just read Kingkitty's essay on me, A+. I'm a narcissist, I love reading about myself.
 

Swamped

Banned
you still have a bullet

have you asked mods how you shooting zipped would've counted?

No, I have no more bullets left ;_;

Here's my guess on what would have happened had I targeted Zipped - I would have used up one bullet, and Zipped would have survived the night but lost his immunity (since it was a 1-shot if I remember correctly).
 
No, I have no more bullets left ;_;

Here's my guess on what would have happened had I targeted Zipped - I would have used up one bullet, and Zipped would have survived the night but lost his immunity (since it was a 1-shot if I remember correctly).

so a bullet is used against bulletproof, unless it works differently against totally bulletproof character

yeah, bullets/uses are typically used up when you get role blocked
 

kingkitty

Member
I think players are usually notified if they get roleblocked. I didn't hear anything about being roleblocked though.

i think it's important that we're 100 percent certain that you'll get notified if you're roleblocked. somebody send Palmer a telegram, quickly.
 
i think it's important that we're 100 percent certain that you'll get notified if you're roleblocked. somebody send Palmer a telegram, quickly.

I doubt we'd get a clear answer back, but I've been wrong in guessing how much mods will reveal before, so who knows

I doubt it was an RB though, they typically give back uses of an ability
 

Swamped

Banned
i think it's important that we're 100 percent certain that you'll get notified if you're roleblocked. somebody send Palmer a telegram, quickly.

I could ask via carrier pigeon i suppose!

I doubt we'd get a clear answer back, but I've been wrong in guessing how much mods will reveal before, so who knows

I doubt it was an RB though, they typically give back uses of an ability

I agree with this. One thing i know for sure is that I'm out 3 bullets, but only 2 people are dead. RAAAAWWWWRRRR.
 

batsnacks

Member
There's already been 1 bulletproof role, 1 doctor, and 1 saving role. I doubt there's going to be any more town protective roles. I think swamped was either roleblocked or found an SK; in either case claiming who was targeted isn't going to hurt the village. Someone correct me if that thinking is off though.

btw Ultron wasn't notified of my save so I doubt swamped would have been notified of a block.
 

FluxWaveZ

Member
So Bigby was the mysterious N1 sharpshooter. Heh, nice aim! That Terrabyte kill came out of nowhere; guess you knew what to look for.

N1

1. Drop = targeted by wolf (strongman)
2. Terrabyte = targeted by Swamped (vigilante)
3. ultron = [???]

N2

1. Cornburrito = targeted by Swamped (vigilante)
2. *Splinter = [???]
3. cabot = targeted by batsnacks (witch) and wolf (according to Burbeting)

N3

1. MattyG = targeted by wolf or [???]
2. ??? = targeted by Swamped (vigilante)

I am positive there is a serial killer because of the role PM, just like last game, so [???] is essentially the SK.

Two killing roles got blocked on N3: Swamped, and either a wolf or a serial killer. There really should have been 3 deaths on N3, but there was only 1.

The answer to me is obvious: Swamped's target was jailed, preventing the kill. And the target that was jailed is a killing role, who was roleblocked by the jailer. And between the witch and the vig., would we have any other killing roles? I don't think so.

Heh... what a dummy that jailer is... huh. Anyways, whoever Swamped targeted on N3 is either scum or the serial killer.

Sounds familiar...
He is either a wolf or a neutral alignment who doesn't care about what happens to Town; i.e. a serial killer. He is a threat.
Swamped, we both know this.
 

Swamped

Banned
There's already been 1 bulletproof role, 1 doctor, and 1 saving role. I doubt there's going to be any more town protective roles. I think swamped was either roleblocked or found an SK; in either case claiming who was targeted isn't going to hurt the village. Someone correct me if that thinking is off though.

This my inclination as well, but i want to hear from more people first.
 
if you really found the sk?

huh

it might be nice seeing how eager scum is for that knowledge, until we kill tomorrow
except having sk with # of kills + strongman makes no sense.

Maybe a scum bulletproof role
 
So Bigby was the mysterious N1 sharpshooter. Heh, nice aim! That Terrabyte kill came out of nowhere; guess you knew what to look for.

N1

1. Drop = targeted by wolf (strongman)
2. Terrabyte = targeted by Swamped (vigilante)
3. ultron = [???]

N2

1. Cornburrito = targeted by Swamped (vigilante)
2. *Splinter = [???]
3. cabot = targeted by batsnacks (witch) and wolf (according to Burbeting)

N3

1. MattyG = targeted by wolf or [???]
2. ??? = targeted by Swamped (vigilante)

I am positive there is a serial killer because of the role PM, just like last game, so [???] is essentially the SK.

Two killing roles got blocked on N3: Swamped, and either a wolf or a serial killer. There really should have been 3 deaths on N3, but there was only 1.

The answer to me is obvious: Swamped's target was jailed, preventing the kill. And the target that was jailed is a killing role, who was roleblocked by the jailer. And between the witch and the vig., would we have any other killing roles? I don't think so.

Heh... what a dummy that jailer is... huh. Anyways, whoever Swamped targeted on N3 is either scum or the serial killer.

Sounds familiar...

Swamped, we both know this.

You're gonna feel so silly when I flip Town.
 
I see very little risk in having Swamped tell us who she attempted to shoot N3, I see four possibilities.
1. Swamped tried to shoot an SK (Great)
2. Swamped tried to shoot a Commuter(They'll claim, I guess. Not the best, but not bad)
3. Swamped tried to shoot someone who was jailed.
4. Swamped tried to shoot someone who was healed/protected(It's possible we have two Doctors, but not likely.)
 

kingkitty

Member
I see very little risk in having Swamped tell us who she attempted to shoot N3, I see four possibilities.
1. Swamped tried to shoot an SK (Great)
2. Swamped tried to shoot a Commuter(They'll claim, I guess. Not the best, but not bad)
3. Swamped tried to shoot someone who was jailed.
4. Swamped tried to shoot someone who was healed/protected(It's possible we have two Doctors, but not likely.)

5. scum who can survive at least one NK?
 
Swamped, if it was me you tried to shoot, go ahead and say it. You're not hurting anything. If so, I can't imagine why I didn't die. But I know how it'll look, so I'll eat the lynch without protest.
 

Swamped

Banned
You should be able to narrow down who I shot at, there are only a handful of people who have been in my top wolf list. I wanted to avoid shooting at someone whom I could make a case against for lynching.
 
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