VistraNorrez
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Someone brought it up in another thread but it was such a LOST ending.
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Someone brought it up in another thread but it was such a LOST ending.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Really can't agree with that.
Jacksinthe
Banned
Yep. I want to see more of he and Finn in some duo pilot action. Those two were fucking amazing every second they were in the film. WANT MORE!
The Librarian
Banned
Indeed. Honestly, in some ways I'm glad we're seeing these sexist comments. It shows we definitely have too few women to look up to as heroes in pop culture.
WadiumArcadium
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It's just a nice little easter egg.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Lol yes daisy's rage face is so good in this movie.
She looked seriously scary as fuck running towards him
peanutbutterlatte
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Ohhhhh shit
Kylo is the SW equivalent of a double-barrell
Oh shit
Kylo is the SW equivalent of a double-barrell
Oh shit
Astral Dog
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I was expecting Jar Jar Binks
Edit:its him! Too slow on this mobile thing
brandonh83
Banned
I guess and it's obviously harmless but still seems unnecessary. I'm also so down for Ewan being involved as much as possible.
So who's sick of the words Mary Sue yet?
AtomnayaKlubnika
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Yeah basically, it's a grenade launcher or something. That one stormtrooper flew in the air! I guess we should ask ourselves how Kylo could have survived to the shot.
bonesmccoy
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You need a better source than something that begins by saying that it is impossible to present firm definition of whatever it is you're talking about.
I actually didn't recognize him at first, with his red arm and all
GeekyDad
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Mary Sue is a term used to denote someone who is all powerful with none of the interesting flaws or traits that makes a good character. The internet being what it is, tons of people are now experts on Mary Sues and have taken to calling Rey one because slapping a label is way easier than a nuanced discussion.
Someone please eventually photoshop Jar Jar onto Luke's face after he turns around to face Rey.
Edit: wait did I miss something here? I'm on mobile too.
Naughty_Doge
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There's no way Rey is a Kenobi.
uncelestial
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I agree that nerd culture is horrible to female characters and double standards exist, but dismissing all criticisms of the character as sexist will turn the conversation very divisive and very bitter very quickly. For the sake of this not turning into a thread where the "the world is too PC" crowd battles the "everyone who dislikes (female character) is sexist" crowd, I really think it would be best if people just deal with the criticisms in good faith. It will yield a better discussion, and if the criticisms are flimsy, it should be easy to knock them down, right?
No I don't. That's an extensive page with plenty of examples. Try reading past the first sentence of things some time; it's good for you.
Does anyone else hope that on the next movies we see settings like ancient Jedi Temples and such? I thought we'd get to see the one on Lukes island but we didn't.
The ancient Jedi order stuff is really one of the main things that Lucas never showed in either the OT or the PT
The ancient Jedi order stuff is really one of the main things that Lucas never showed in either the OT or the PT
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
and I doubt they'll leave people hanging about that
brandonh83
Banned
Yes. I need this. I want it to get really showy and informative with stuff like that.
search your feelings, you know it to be true
The guy is nothing but awesome
yeah I want all the lore
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Rey's new costume will take some getting used to. It looks a bit too video gamey to me. I liked the rags more.
BronsonLee
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I knew that shit was coming and still burst out laughing at it. Finn slowly went from 'Oh wow, that girl is cute' to 'OH SHIT she's coming to whoop dat ass'
The argument has already very much turned to calling her a Mary Sue being called out as sexist. Vanity Fair had a good piece about this yesterday about why the attacks on Rey are bullshit. Even bigwigs at Lucasfilm are saying the Mary Sue nonsense is sexist and would never happen if she was a male.
uncelestial
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That is actually why she is horribly boring, but more power to you if you enjoy it.
Way to suck all the fun out the movie, man!
Nah, seriously, I agree with many of your points. Not all of them, though - for instance I thought Rey was holistically excellent, even though some of her dialogue was a tad stilted and the accent was weird without explanation.
I guess that parts-dealer-alien had an English accent, perhaps it's the dialect on Jakku?
Fucking solid film anyway, and such a class above Ep1-3 it's not even funny.
It's her attitude that makes it. On paper, if you quantify her, she just succeeds at everything, which is weak writing and yes, boring. Arguably, characters are only as good as their flaws. But she was so well executed - from design to dialogue (on the whole) that she just worked. All gusto. It was great.
WadiumArcadium
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Well Skellig Michael or whatever the planet will be called is supposed to be the first Jedi Temple isn't it? So I'd say that's a given.
Scientist Supreme!
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I mean that doesn't really matter along with you coming to that conclusion based on fate. This should stand on its movie without having two other movies to explain its plot. If I believe that I wouldn't be discussing this film until I've seen the last one.
I totally disagree dude. I mean most people are completely fine with that being the explanation.
Taco_Human
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I fell asleep during the movie. Beer man, it makes me sleepy.
Last thing I remember was them stealing the Millennium falcon, and Han dying in that empty looking area.
Eh, I'll watch it again later on.
Last thing I remember was them stealing the Millennium falcon, and Han dying in that empty looking area.
Eh, I'll watch it again later on.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
They say in the film that Luke was looking for the first Jedi temple. However I dunno if there was even a temple on that island? Maybe he just gave up on searching it and is hiding on a random planet. We will hopefully see it in the next movie(s). This McGuffin kinda reminds me of the "Valley of the Jedi" in Dark Forces II.
uncelestial
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Lucasfilm has a vested interest in shutting down that criticism so I don't really care about that. I also am not prepared to take it as read that Rey being male wouldn't get the same complaints about developing his powers too fast, being too perfect, too shallowly written, etc -- though they might not put that label on it since the male term of "Gary Stu" is not as well known, they also might. People call out Gary Stu-ism all the time.
brandonh83
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Yep. Just think, this movie ends in the location of the first ever Jedi temple. That gives me goosebumps. And I really hope it's indicative of the storytellers being interested in this new trilogy finally getting into stuff like this.
BronsonLee
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I enjoy nothing.
Life is meaningless.
The only joy I derive from life is the inevitable heat death of the universe.
Enjoy Arby's.
You know, going forward, this is another good reason as any other why Han dying is a good thing in my book. Old EU has been around so long that some facts automatically jump out at me. The fact that Han (and not, say, Chewie or later on Mara Jade (lol)) dies is a very forefront reminder that there's a new canon now and it's by all accounts being a lot better handled than I-III.
e.g. on the inflitration, dropping out of hyperspace on top of the planet - instinctive though is "hyperdrives don't work that way you can't go that close to a gravity well".
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(I thought of this while watching the film, about two seconds after Han dropped the bomb on what his plan was)
tattooed_dwarf
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I like that everything isn't explained, there is enough exposition in film already. Are people so used to getting everything through dialog that if explanation isn't there with words, it's plothole or lazy writing and audience shouldn't be expected to use their own deduction?
GungHo
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It's a call back to the OT when a big black man took off his helmet and he was revealed to be Mr. Belvedere.
you don't think learning more about Rey's character could justify her quick grip of the force?
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
It's really not fair, not to mention lazy, to dismiss claims of Mary Sue as simply a product of sexism. Explore the definition and why you do/dont agree in relation to her character and arc. Some of Rey's best scenes with Finn early in the film are subversions of the damsel in distress trope to give her a refreshing modern femenism edge, and this praise can exist quite comfortably alongside frustrations from the billion other accomplishments she demonstrates throughout the narrative.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Rey was great because despite how she clearly fits into the puzzle of plot, as a character she just wants to go back to shitty ole Jakku and wait for whoever left her behind. She initially fears the Force and denies that it's within her, until circumstances make her realize her potential.
It's a good arc for the first film I'd say.
It's a good arc for the first film I'd say.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
So was Jar-Jar for ep1. Which Jar-Jar and he had the same role. Plus you have all the pre-release hyping him with a lightsabre. To only find out he's a space janitor who is handy with a gun, but boy does he have heart!
Like I was saying I hope he eventually does get to be a Jedi too, but for all the boasting of having a black lead he gets slotted into pretty stereotypical role.
uncelestial
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lol - nice. @NihilistArbys is my jam.
Don't get me wrong, as I said I had a fun time watching Rey have her adventures. A thrilling ride to be sure. I hadn't noticed the parts dealer's accent. I'm going in for a second helping, I'll keep an ear out (to coin a phrase). Agree that SW has bounced back from Ep 1-3 bigtime.
Yeah, they made it a lot of fun and the actress does a good job. The first time you see her being really bad ass and charging at Finn, it's establishing that she is ready to kick some ass. It looks like Finn is about to get rekt!
Loved it. Have some mixed feelings on particular scenes/issues, but overall I loved it.
The light side, all-in-all, was handled exceptionally well. I love each of those characters and their roles in this flick. Rey, Fin, Po, Han, Chewie, and especially BB-8 were perfectly written. Just some fantastic work with that half of the primary cast.
The dark side, ehhhhhhh. Okay, I have mostly great opinions of Kylo Ren. I love, love, love his temper tantrums and how he actually shows human, childish emotion when angered or flustered. That gives us a great sense that he's not at all as in control of himself, his emotions, and his destiny as he may think he iswhich I believe is the essential part of who his character is, since he will likely come at a cross roads in later films (beyond the cross road he already passed in this flick).
However, I do not like how he was written near the end. It seems a bit silly to me that Rey was so easily able to best him, considering his amount of training and her complete lack thereof. It sort of made Kylo seem like much less of a threat, and now there's not much need to worry about him in later appearances. Contrasted to his opening scene, after which the only thought I had is "holy fuck this guy's a badass, watch out." Well at the end he's cut, beaten, bruised, and left lying in the woods from a newborn force user. After killing his father, I'd imagine he would've reached a height/low of the dark side "sensitivity" so to speak and be in a rage/state truly frightening. Then due to the planet's collapse, our heroes would have been able to narrowly escape. That's how I would've written it anyway, but I'm not in Hollywood so what do I know.
But overall I liked Kylo a lot.
His military counterpart? Nope. I've gotten no sense of authority from him. He is gaunt, his voice is weak, and he looks like he trembles whenever he speaks. I could not take him seriously. His speech was great, but that's about it. Wish he was differently cast.
As for the big bad guy... Spoke? Snoke? Snope? Ermm....no thoughts just yet. Is he really that fucking big, or is that just the skew of the holoprojector? IDK, I wasn't able to gain much of an opinion on this guy. I don't see him wielding a lightsaber, so maybe he's going to be everything Force related and just be a badass in that arena. But that's all I have to say on him. I hope he amounts to a huge threatening presence later.
The very very ending, was almost perfect. I wish instead of Luke and Rey having a very awkward stare-down, both looking constipated, that instead we would've seen Luke turn to her slowly, then cut to black and end credits in an epic fashion. The whole spinning around them and the angsty "taaake it" was weird to me. But still a decent ending.
Best scenes? On Jakku, and in the Falcon immediately after Han's appearance. Everything BB-8 as well.
Worst scenes? Once they've all convened with Leia and the resistance. Oh and I guess immediately after Fin helps Po escape, where instead of flying down or around, they fly straightly parralel with all the canons and blasters. "We gotta take these out if we wanna make it!" Why not just....go away from the ship? It's hard to imagine a single TIE fighter would be able to take on that huge destroyer alone anyway. MEH.
Overall amazing stuff.
The light side, all-in-all, was handled exceptionally well. I love each of those characters and their roles in this flick. Rey, Fin, Po, Han, Chewie, and especially BB-8 were perfectly written. Just some fantastic work with that half of the primary cast.
The dark side, ehhhhhhh. Okay, I have mostly great opinions of Kylo Ren. I love, love, love his temper tantrums and how he actually shows human, childish emotion when angered or flustered. That gives us a great sense that he's not at all as in control of himself, his emotions, and his destiny as he may think he iswhich I believe is the essential part of who his character is, since he will likely come at a cross roads in later films (beyond the cross road he already passed in this flick).
However, I do not like how he was written near the end. It seems a bit silly to me that Rey was so easily able to best him, considering his amount of training and her complete lack thereof. It sort of made Kylo seem like much less of a threat, and now there's not much need to worry about him in later appearances. Contrasted to his opening scene, after which the only thought I had is "holy fuck this guy's a badass, watch out." Well at the end he's cut, beaten, bruised, and left lying in the woods from a newborn force user. After killing his father, I'd imagine he would've reached a height/low of the dark side "sensitivity" so to speak and be in a rage/state truly frightening. Then due to the planet's collapse, our heroes would have been able to narrowly escape. That's how I would've written it anyway, but I'm not in Hollywood so what do I know.
But overall I liked Kylo a lot.
His military counterpart? Nope. I've gotten no sense of authority from him. He is gaunt, his voice is weak, and he looks like he trembles whenever he speaks. I could not take him seriously. His speech was great, but that's about it. Wish he was differently cast.
As for the big bad guy... Spoke? Snoke? Snope? Ermm....no thoughts just yet. Is he really that fucking big, or is that just the skew of the holoprojector? IDK, I wasn't able to gain much of an opinion on this guy. I don't see him wielding a lightsaber, so maybe he's going to be everything Force related and just be a badass in that arena. But that's all I have to say on him. I hope he amounts to a huge threatening presence later.
The very very ending, was almost perfect. I wish instead of Luke and Rey having a very awkward stare-down, both looking constipated, that instead we would've seen Luke turn to her slowly, then cut to black and end credits in an epic fashion. The whole spinning around them and the angsty "taaake it" was weird to me. But still a decent ending.
Best scenes? On Jakku, and in the Falcon immediately after Han's appearance. Everything BB-8 as well.
Worst scenes? Once they've all convened with Leia and the resistance. Oh and I guess immediately after Fin helps Po escape, where instead of flying down or around, they fly straightly parralel with all the canons and blasters. "We gotta take these out if we wanna make it!" Why not just....go away from the ship? It's hard to imagine a single TIE fighter would be able to take on that huge destroyer alone anyway. MEH.
Overall amazing stuff.
And this is why not everyone qualifies to be a movie writer.
...sarcasm?
CambriaRising
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