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Coro Coro to reveal new Pokémon- Magiana

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ArchedThunder

Banned
Chunky said:
I could see machine type happening, even if it's not as much a 'duh!' move as the fairy type. Pokemon like steelix, aggron, escavilier etc would stay put, representing natural steel and any mechanical Pokemon would get the new type. Off the top of my head, I can't think of too many existing mons that would get retyped; magnezone and klinklang jump out but that's about it. They would need to introduce a good amount of new lines in that case. Say gen VII has a steampunk theme (what goes hand-in-hand with steampunk? Fucking Britain! Get on it Game Freak!!) that'd give them ample opportunity to fill out the dex with machine-types. And it would make it a nice round 18 total.

For strengths and weaknesses I'm thinking:
Resists: fairy, electric, psychic, steel (fairies don't do well with machinery, electric powers them and psychic doesn't affect their computer minds)
Weak to: water, ice, bug (water for obvious reasons, ice freezes their circuits and definitely needs a buff, the classic 'computer bug'
Super effective: fairy, electric, fighting (fighting I figure b/c they're able to calculate their moves easily)
Not effective: water, ice
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Pokemon that could be Machine type.

Magnemite +Electric
Magneton +Electric
Beldum +Psychic
Metang +Psychic
Metagross +Psychic
Magenzone +Electric
Klink +Steel
Klang +Steel
Klinkklang +Steel
Golett +Ghost
Golurk +Ghost
Genesect +Bug
The Porygons could also be thrown in if they felt like it.
There is definitely enough there, but honestly if we got a new type I'd kinda prefer it be Sound type.
 
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Hero Prinny

Member
I like new types, im all in for a new type being introduced, i liked steel, fairy, and dark (especilly dark since it has a lot of my favorite pkmns in it) a lot when they got introduced :)
 
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Chunky

Member
It sounds stupid tbh but I don't mind whatever new type they decide on, just bump it up to 18. 17 just feels gross :lol
 
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Fat Goron

Member
There are a lot of types that should come before "Machine" (which, for now, is not really that different from Steel/Electric).

Sound and Cosmic being the more obvious.

Sound could use some interesting wave-based concepts, like resistance/weakness to itself based on wave phase (battle turn, perhaps, could be manipulated by moves or ability). There is also a lot of music-based moves that could become Sound-type.
Ex.: Whismur, Loudred, Exploud, Meloetta, Noibat, Noivern, Igglybuff, Jigglypugg, Wigglytuff, Zubat, Golbat, Crobat, Drowzee, Hypno, Yanma, MegaYanma, Wailmer, Wailord, Kricketot, Kricketune, Chingling, Chimecho, Bronzor, Bronzong, Chatot, Swanna...

Cosmic would be based on space threats (meteors, radiation), gravity fields and spacetime distortions, relativity. Any "weird science" gimmick could also be labelled as such, maybe some quantum-based move, I don't know...
Ex.: Palkia, Dialga, Giratina, Arceus, Jirachi, Deoxys, Elgyem, Beheeyem, Hoopa, Lunatune, Solrock, Clefairy, Clefable, Latios, Latias...
 
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balladofwindfishes

Member
Sound would work as a type because, like Fairy, it's something that would apply to basically only Normal Pokemon, other than a few exceptions like Seismitoad or Noivern.

I doubt Gamefreak would remove any non-Normal type from a Pokemon (they haven't before), since Normal is basically just a "catch all" type for stuff that doesn't have a type represented. It's why "Machine" sounds unrealistic, as it would be changing a large bunch of Steel or Ground type Pokemon to have a new type.

Sound being immune to itself would be cool and unique.
 
T

Toxi

Banned
ArchedThunder said:
There is definitely enough there, but honestly if we got a new type I'd kinda prefer it be Sound type.
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Sound is definitely the easiest new type to implement, since it's just changing a bunch of Normal type moves into Sound type moves and adding a type or replacing Normal type on some Pokemon lines.

Jigglypuff line: Sound/Fairy
Whismur line: Sound
Chimecho line: Sound/Psychic
Littleleo line: Sound/Fire
Kricketot line: Sound/Bug
Chatot: Sound/Flying
Meloetta: Sound/Psychic and Sound/Fighting
 
F

Forkball

Member
Where is the new type rumor even coming from? Because we don't know Magiana's type? Steel is basically machine. It would be like having a fire type and a heat type.
 
M

Macka

Member
Chunky said:
It sounds stupid tbh but I don't mind whatever new type they decide on, just bump it up to 18. 17 just feels gross :lol
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There already are 18 types.

1. Grass
2. Fire
3. Water
4. Normal
5. Flying
6. Bug
7. Poison
8. Rock
9. Ground
10. Fighting
11. Electric
12. Psychic
13. Ghost
14. Ice
15. Dragon
16. Dark
17. Steel
18. Fairy
 
P

Phu

Banned
Fat Goron said:
There are a lot of types that should come before "Machine" (which, for now, is not really that different from Steel/Electric).

Sound and Cosmic being the more obvious.
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Just call the new type 'mechanical' and we can cram in both robots and singers.
 
A

ash_ag

Member
I'm not quite sure why this Machine-type speculation is going so strong. I remember people being very skeptic with Sylveon, when it was clear as day it wasn't of any known type. Magiana doesn't seem all that controversial in comparison. I wouldn't mind a new type at all, but I feel it's more important to streamline current ones in terms of what each represents before further expanding.

I was recently thinking that it may not be a bad idea to rename a few types and make them more workable with further concepts. For example:
  • Flying-type -> Sky-type. It's a very well known thing that the element of Air/Wind has little representation in the series when not in the context of "flying". Sky is a good name, in that it can represent both flying in general, and further related concepts, like wind.
  • Ghost-type -> Horror-type or Weird-type. Maybe there's a better name, but the basic idea is Ghost-type representing not just ghosts, but all related mythological concepts. "Horror" speaks for itself; mummies, vampires, zombies, and so on. "Weird" refers to weird fiction, which is a Horror subgenre of sorts. As a type name, it would provide an antithesis to Normal-type.
  • Poison-type -> Biohazard-type. Okay, I'm joking with this one. I'm not sure what a suitable name would be, but I always thought "Poison" is too narrow as a concept compared to, say, Water or Fire. Poison-type representing biological hazards in general (implementing concepts like radiation, for example) could be interesting.
A few less important changes would be Ground -> Earth, Steel -> Metal, and Psychic -> Cosmic. They would be better descriptors for the actual types, but considering those three already do a good job in not strictly sticking to what their name implies, it's not a big deal.
 
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balladofwindfishes

Member
But I kind of like that Pokemon uses off-beat names for common RPG elements.

Like in other games, Ground, Rock and Grass would all be lumped into "Wood" or "Earth" type. But Pokemon goes against that, splits it into three, and gives them names different from normal RPG elements.

Since Pokemon was my first RPG, usually I call the elements in other RPGs by their Pokemon names lol.

Ice is probably the type Pokemon has that's most different from most RPGs. Most RPGs have Ice as either part of Water, or its own element. But almost always it has a two way relationship with Fire. But in Pokemon, Fire beats Ice, and resists it. Which throws me off in games where Ice beats Fire, or Ice is resistant to Fire because it's a Water element.
 
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ash_ag

Member
Totally agree with this. Types are a thing Pokémon does very right. It has built both its gameplay and its mythology around them, and it has a unique thing going on with concepts like 'Poison', 'Dragon' and 'Fighting'. And one of the most interesting things about Pokémon types is the 'Fire - Water - Grass' trinity. We're so used to this one, and we take it for granted, but it wasn't always a common group of elemental types. Most RPGs (like Final Fantasy) adopt the 'Fire - Ice - Lightning' model, and others go with the more classical 'Earth - Water - Air - Fire'.

However, I do think it's time to move the cheese with certain matters. No need to actually rename any of them, but it would certainly benefit the series if they expanded some types to be more inclusive.
 
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Nightbird

Member
Forkball said:
Where is the new type rumor even coming from? Because we don't know Magiana's type? Steel is basically machine. It would be like having a fire type and a heat type.
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Probably because the last time we didn't got a type with a newly announced Pokémon we got introduced to a new type.
 
D

Daemul

Member
I'd be happy with Robo-Girl having a new type as that would then allow GF to rebalance the type chart and undo the stupid decision to make the Bug type even worse by having Fairies resist it.
 
C

cluto

Member
Phu said:
Just call the new type 'mechanical' and we can cram in both robots and singers.
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Sound doesn't necessarily imply mechanical. Chatot (which would be a clear candidate for Sound type) doesn't exactly represent "Mechanical" type. It's hard thinking of words that can imply both machines and sound; the best I could come up with are Pulse, Signal, Wave, or Ray type. In any case, Sound is the type I'd like to see introduced the most. It being super-effective against Water and Steel would be great, not only because I think Water needs another weakness, but because it makes sense in real life:

"In 20 °C (68 °F) air at sea level, the speed of sound is approximately 343 m/s. In fresh water, also at 20 °C, the speed of sound is approximately 1,482 m/s. In steel, the speed of sound is about 5,960 m/s."​
Not sure about its resistances and weaknesses, but I do really like balladofwindfishes's idea of Sound being immune to itself.


In regards to the steampunk theories, what about a Steam or Vapor type instead of a Machine type? You guys are talking about Earth being split into Rock, Ground, and Grass, but we only have two of the three most common phases of water in Pokemon. Ice, Water, Steam. Could resist both Water and Fire, and there's at least one whole Pokemon that could be retyped (Torkoal). Then of course there would be a bunch of new Gen VII Steam types. I don't know.
 
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JoeM86

Member
balladofwindfishes said:
Unlike Sylveon though, this one pretty clearly seems to be Steel type.
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Unlike Sylveon, they just made no mention of it rather than Type: ???

This is often done when they reveal new Pokémon with movies. It happened a lot during the run up to Gen 3 & 4. Hell, we didn't know Azurill was a Normal-type until almost launch
 
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EulaCapra

Member
I've always wanted Tech/Mech types along with Cosmic types even before I could even imagine the Fairy type. Really hope it happens even though my gut is saying Magiana will be another Steel/Fairy.

Water could use another weakness/resistance/super effective against. Ice, Bug, and Grass definitely need a buff or at least a resistance.
 
A

ArchedThunder

Banned
Even if there aren't any new Types in Gen VII I hope they at least fiddle with the type chart a bit, some types are just at way too much of a disadvantage.
 
E

Esque7

Member
It took 4 gens just to get a new type, I'm not sure GF would add another so soon. The type chart just needs some small balance changes is all.
 
B

Big One

Banned
I'm ok with the introduction of a Machine type. Though I wonder what older Pokemon will get their types changed if this happened.

I'd like to see something that is weak to Normal and Poison types as well.

Machine prob gonna be weak to Bug cause BUGS IN THE COMPUTERS and whatnot.
 
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pirateluigi

Member
JoeM86 said:
Unlike Sylveon, they just made no mention of it rather than Type: ???

This is often done when they reveal new Pokémon with movies. It happened a lot during the run up to Gen 3 & 4. Hell, we didn't know Azurill was a Normal-type until almost launch
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Why in the world is Azurill a normal type? I never understood that.
 
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Brawly Likes to Brawl

Member
Esque7 said:
It took 4 gens just to get a new type, I'm not sure GF would add another so soon. The type chart just needs some small balance changes is all.
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I agree. Fixing the way the types works should be a higher priority then thowing what would be the 19th element on top of all of it. I didn't even think Fairy was necessary to be honest. Ice being so defensively vulnerable that players don't bother going for the STAB is a huge problem that still isn't being addressed, and throwing more spaghetti on the wall isn't going the core issues with the chart.
 
E

Exterminieren

Banned
OmegaSmash said:
So what's the word on Magiana being 7th gen vs a metal coat Diancie vs being part of a 6th gen expansion?
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There's no reason to think that it has anything to do with Diancie, other than sharing a similar set of eyes.

Beyond that, we don't know. Common sense and past experience says that it's a Gen VII Pokémon, but we don't have official confirmation, and probably won't for a good while yet.
 
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Mr-Joker

Banned
No offence but Tech type and Sound type just sounds stupid and very unPokémon like.


OmegaSmash said:
So what's the word on Magiana being 7th gen vs a metal coat Diancie vs being part of a 6th gen expansion?
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Because Diancie already had her movie and has a mega. Furthermore no legendary Pokémon evolves and I don't think that Game Freak will start now.

Magiana is most likely a gen 7 Pokémon signaling that Gen 6 is swan song is soon but there will be a new exciting generation ahead on the horizon.

Brawly Likes to Brawl said:
I agree. Fixing the way the types works should be a higher priority then thowing what would be the 19th element on top of all of it. I didn't even think Fairy was necessary to be honest. Ice being so defensively vulnerable that players don't bother going for the STAB is a huge problem that still isn't being addressed, and throwing more spaghetti on the wall isn't going the core issues with the chart.
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Personally I wasn't too trilled with the idea of Fairy being a new type, especially when there was already a type designed in dealing with dragon type but just needed a buff but yeah I agree, based on me using Sylveon and Gardevoir Fairy didn't add much other than stopping fighting type getting too powerful and making Fire Pokémon more useful. Also Fairy did not need to resist Bug or dark type at all.

And yeah Game Freak should have focused on refining the type chart before adding a new type into the ecosystem.
 
N

NHarmonic.

Member
I really want to be hyped for gen 7 but there's really a lot of work to do with the games, specially on the difficulty settings. And imo, this pokemon looks extremely horrible.
 
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Ravidrath

Member
I sort of expect that this is the first Gen VII Pokemon, but we'll be able to get one in Pokemon Z.

Possibly not usable, but "dormant" or something.

I guess I would sort of consider it as being similar to the Therion formes - play this game now for a special bonus / leg-up in the next game.
 
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WhiteRabbitEXE

Member
Chunky said:
I could see machine type happening, even if it's not as much a 'duh!' move as the fairy type. Pokemon like steelix, aggron, escavilier etc would stay put, representing natural steel and any mechanical Pokemon would get the new type. Off the top of my head, I can't think of too many existing mons that would get retyped; magnezone and klinklang jump out but that's about it. They would need to introduce a good amount of new lines in that case. Say gen VII has a steampunk theme (what goes hand-in-hand with steampunk? Fucking Britain! Get on it Game Freak!!) that'd give them ample opportunity to fill out the dex with machine-types. And it would make it a nice round 18 total.

For strengths and weaknesses I'm thinking:
Resists: fairy, electric, psychic, steel (fairies don't do well with machinery, electric powers them and psychic doesn't affect their computer minds)
Weak to: water, ice, bug (water for obvious reasons, ice freezes their circuits and definitely needs a buff, the classic 'computer bug'
Super effective: fairy, electric, fighting (fighting I figure b/c they're able to calculate their moves easily)
Not effective: water, ice
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Fairy actually seems like it would be Super Effective against Machine to me. Think gremlins.
 
M

Mr-Joker

Banned
Ravidrath said:
I sort of expect that this is the first Gen VII Pokemon, but we'll be able to get one in Pokemon Z.

Possibly not usable, but "dormant" or something.

I guess I would sort of consider it as being similar to the Therion formes - play this game now for a special bonus / leg-up in the next game.
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I am thinking along the line of send event Volcanion to gen VII to unlock Magiana, akin to how sending the event Johto beast and Celebi to gen 5 unlocked the Zorua and Zoroark event but only this time an event Pokémon is locked away and not a normal Pokémon.

I also don't know why but Magiana reminds me of Victini how they released his event at the same time when Black and White first launched.
 
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Ravidrath

Member
Mr-Joker said:
I am thinking along the line of send event Volcanion to gen VII to unlock Magiana, akin to how sending the event Johto beast and Celebi to gen 5 unlocked the Zorua and Zoroark event but only this time an event Pokémon is locked away and not a normal Pokémon.
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I'm under the impression that BW2 sales weren't great, so I think whatever this is, it's probably a ploy to make sure that people buy Z.
 
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Illucio

Banned
ArchedThunder said:
Pokemon that could be Machine type.

Magnemite +Electric
Magneton +Electric
Beldum +Psychic
Metang +Psychic
Metagross +Psychic
Magenzone +Electric
Klink +Steel
Klang +Steel
Klinkklang +Steel
Golett +Ghost
Golurk +Ghost
Genesect +Bug
The Porygons could also be thrown in if they felt like it.
There is definitely enough there, but honestly if we got a new type I'd kinda prefer it be Sound type.
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Isn't steel supposed to be the machine type? There is no reason to have solely machine as a separate type.

Sound or Wind type is more plausible.
 
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pirateluigi

Member
WrenchNinja said:
If I recall, they literally just copypasted most of Cleffa's data when they made Azurill.
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balladofwindfishes said:
Even its gender ratio (which is different than Marill)

Leading to Azurill changing genders when they evolve sometimes in Gen III, IV and V.
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Boss Doggie said:
cast off from Celffa

it's why the gender ratio was also weird that they under go gender change when evolving, it took them Gen VI to correct it
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I learned something today! Thanks everybody!

I did know about the changing genders thing, I just never knew why it happened. I guess I figured it was a Jurassic Park reference.
 
K

Kenai

Member
Sound would probably be neat and makes a fair amount of sense.

Mechanical seems unnecessary with Steel around.
 
T

Toxi

Banned
Mr-Joker said:
No offence but Tech type and Sound type just sounds stupid and very unPokémon like.
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There are multiple Pokemon based around sound and an entire category of moves based around sound. It also doesn't really overlap any of the existing types besides Normal, and the overlap only exists because Normal is the catch-all type.

Plus, there are Pokemon themed around sound (Meloetta, Pyroar) that are Normal type just because sound-based moves are Normal.

ArchedThunder said:
Pokemon that could be Machine type.

Magnemite +Electric
Magneton +Electric
Beldum +Psychic
Metang +Psychic
Metagross +Psychic
Magenzone +Electric
Klink +Steel
Klang +Steel
Klinkklang +Steel
Golett +Ghost
Golurk +Ghost
Genesect +Bug
The Porygons could also be thrown in if they felt like it.
There is definitely enough there, but honestly if we got a new type I'd kinda prefer it be Sound type.
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Golurk is a golem. It's Ground type because it's literally made of clay.

Machine is completely unnecessary with the Steel type existing.
 
SoulUnison

SoulUnison

Banned
If they introduce a "sound" type I hope they at least don't literally name it "sound."
It's just... too on-the nose.

Maybe "sonic" type.

Also, I could see them sort of haphazardly introducing "triple type" Pokemon by mashing together two previous types on a Mon by Mon basis.
Like, "Machine" could have the strength and weaknesses of "Steel/Electric" rolled into one "type."

Vaguely like how Freeze Dry breaks the traditional type matchup dynamic.
 
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The Silver

Member
The only other type I would wanna see is cosmic.

Like a move like spacial rend, what the hell does that have to do with dragons? It's distorting space, sounds like some cosmic shit to me.
 
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