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The Guardian: The Bernie Sanders voters who would choose Trump over Clinton
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UnemployedVillain
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Just what I suspected and feared. There seems to be a segment of Bernie supporters that care more about anti-establishment than the actual issues/stances.
I know there was a thread on here a little while back where some of his supporters said just this. I'll try and find it
I know there was a thread on here a little while back where some of his supporters said just this. I'll try and find it
ElectricBlanketFire
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We have no idea what Trump actually believes in. How would someone know that he shares the same views as Bernie on anything?
ugaboga232
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The plural of anecdote is not data.
There are probably thousands of clinton to trump voters. They are all dumb.
There are probably thousands of clinton to trump voters. They are all dumb.
Orbis Tabula
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Every time this topic comes up, I just try to calm myself by repeating "Most of these voters probably weren't reliable democratic voters anyway, so they don't represent a loss from the baseline votes in November. These voters are likely a very small minority of Bernie fans. This sort of thing happens every election."
I'm not sure how true it is, but at this point it's my litany against fear.
I'm not sure how true it is, but at this point it's my litany against fear.
SenorArdilla
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Hillary and Bernie agree on 93% of issues. Why cut off the nose to spite the face?
BUNTING1243
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These people are more infuriating and stupid than steady Trump supporters, which is saying something.
Every time someone calls Hillary a criminal I cringe inside, and I prefer Bernie!
Every time someone calls Hillary a criminal I cringe inside, and I prefer Bernie!
They aren't liberals or progressives. Just conservatives that haven't admitted it to themselves yet. They say you get more conservative as you get older; or maybe people just stop lying to themselves about how they really feel as they get older. There's no way you make that jump from Sanders to Trump. Absolutely no possible way.
Politically and policy wise it makes zero sense.
Because fuck policy, fuck progress, and fuck the consequences; I have my first political crush, and if I don't get to go to the dance with him I'm gonna go Carrie on you motherfuckers because the rest doesn't really concern me nor will it really effect me anyway.
Politically and policy wise it makes zero sense.
Because fuck policy, fuck progress, and fuck the consequences; I have my first political crush, and if I don't get to go to the dance with him I'm gonna go Carrie on you motherfuckers because the rest doesn't really concern me nor will it really effect me anyway.
Either way Hillary should be trying to win these people over somehow rather than coasting
LiquidSword
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I assume these people are avid Redditors?
Orbis Tabula
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But how? My co-opting the positions that Bernie Sanders has that attracts these voters? Because every time I see her do that, I see some small portion that recoil away from her with increased vitriol.
If some have already decided that eveything she says to court their votes is deception, what could possibly be said to convince them to vote for her?
Don't forget racism.
Vicetrailia
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So they prefer anti-establishment over racism?
Well Hillary is white. But they are likely racist if they are willing to leap to Trump of course.
Bernie supporters who refuse to vote Hillary or call her a "bitch" online are just rabid sexists.
NullPointer
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A mistake here might be in considering these voters to have been Democratic or Republican to begin with. For all we know the only reason they're engaged at all is because of Bernie or Trump.
I bet a fair number of these folk would be swayed to vote for the other democratic candidate if their candidate of choice threw their support behind him/her. I'm sure there will be some pissy "burn it all down" types out there too, but I can't imagine too many of them will go to the trouble of actually voting.
Gordon Shumway
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"Can't vote for Hillary." Amazing, how much I keep hearing this is all bullshit..hmm.
Iron Man Cooking a Crepe
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I feel like this describes the majority of Bernie Sanders core vocal supporters, especially ones on Reddit. The same ones who will denounce BLM but then show pictures of him with MLK in order to try to shun and silence black people who bring up valid issues of racism. They will shift to Bernie to support a total racist because they really aren't progressive, they just want to see a white guy in charge that will look out for them first and everyone else second, if at all.
It's why Bernie won't directly address how we need to fix racism before we need to fix income inequality, because thinking the benefits of socialist ideals will be doled out equally with how racist America still is, is hilarious and dumb.
It's why Bernie won't directly address how we need to fix racism before we need to fix income inequality, because thinking the benefits of socialist ideals will be doled out equally with how racist America still is, is hilarious and dumb.
Not that I welcome it, but I think it makes somewhat sense. The voters that are in it for Bernie hope for significant change. Hillary stands for the status quo, for continuing Obama politics. Bernie is the face of more dramatic change. As is Trump.
I guess the point that many gaffers cannot understand, how you can go from Bernie to Trump and his racist, homophobe remarks. Imo this shows that people have varying key areas of what they hope to see changed.
I guess the point that many gaffers cannot understand, how you can go from Bernie to Trump and his racist, homophobe remarks. Imo this shows that people have varying key areas of what they hope to see changed.
I don't know but she and her team should be trying to figure that out, I don't think it's case where most are so hateful of her they would never vote for her
CenturionKei
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Thats bull. Going by how so many clinton supporters moan about Bernie i would assume its the other way around. Hilary is a corproate stooge. Trumps one too. Bernie is a socialist
Yeah it can't be her hawkish foreign policy, corporate cronyism or the fact she is an expert liar.
Must be sexism, thats why all the bernie bros want Warren as VP right?
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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It's really happening isn't it?
Orbis Tabula
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I absolutely believe this is a cause for at least some of these voters. But my absurd attachment to Hanlon's Razor doesn't allow me to write them all off. Some of them aren't sexist. Just dumb.
Hillary and Bernie agree on virtually every single issue. Refusing to vote for her has absolutely no logical basis whatsoever.
If it isn't sexism then it's out of pure ignorance on policy and politics. Neither are anything to be proud of.
Every election since the film came out we see this. There are still plenty of people who think for themselves out there.
soundahfekz
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Then honestly, fuck those people. I'll be happy if Clinton or Sanders win it, doesn't matter to me. Of course they have their differences, but they are much, much better than the alternative.
There is a genuine group of Americans who both ticked off and anti-establishment. Ron Paul was believed to have captured some of these voters. That was many years ago. Now those voters have grown in number and the establishment in both parties have no idea how to respond.
They don't want to listen to their anger and they somehow want the anti-establishment bloc to listen to them.
Although this is anadectol, Bernie to Trump is not much of a surprise. They both fit the what the anti-establishment wants.
It's a shame none would vote third party. I'm a Green Party voter and would love for the party to get enough votes and a bigger platform to present their views.
They don't want to listen to their anger and they somehow want the anti-establishment bloc to listen to them.
Although this is anadectol, Bernie to Trump is not much of a surprise. They both fit the what the anti-establishment wants.
It's a shame none would vote third party. I'm a Green Party voter and would love for the party to get enough votes and a bigger platform to present their views.
Anyone who would honestly vote for Trump over Clinton is doing so from a position of entitlement and privilege.
You never cared about the progressive movement.
You never cared about minorities.
You never cared about women's rights.
You were never concerned with the right-wing's shift to more authoritarian and openly racist vitriol.
You never cared about Bernie's proposals for a more democratic society
You never cared about the Supreme Court
You never cared about Citizen's United being struck down
You never cared about the rigged political system.
You only cared about yourself. Period. What YOU could get out of those proposals, not what it could benefit society as a whole.
Fuck anyone who has this mentality, and I can only conclude you have implicit biases against minorities if you would openly vote for a guy who's blatantly inciting fascist rhetoric.
You never cared about the progressive movement.
You never cared about minorities.
You never cared about women's rights.
You were never concerned with the right-wing's shift to more authoritarian and openly racist vitriol.
You never cared about Bernie's proposals for a more democratic society
You never cared about the Supreme Court
You never cared about Citizen's United being struck down
You never cared about the rigged political system.
You only cared about yourself. Period. What YOU could get out of those proposals, not what it could benefit society as a whole.
Fuck anyone who has this mentality, and I can only conclude you have implicit biases against minorities if you would openly vote for a guy who's blatantly inciting fascist rhetoric.
To Far Away Times
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Or not wanting to go to any more dubious wars like Hillary has a history of supporting.
I hate to break it but she ain't all sunshine and rainbows.
Bernie said just yesterday, without mincing words, what everyone knows: Trump is a "pathological liar".
These people mentioned in the Guardian article are a minuscule, previously politically unengaged group that have been manipulated into believing that being "anti-establishment" -- pardon the pun -- trumps actual policy.
These people mentioned in the Guardian article are a minuscule, previously politically unengaged group that have been manipulated into believing that being "anti-establishment" -- pardon the pun -- trumps actual policy.
There's a reason Bernie does really well in really white areas.
Orbis Tabula
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I don't think most are that hateful either. That's why I've said that I think it's a small portion of voters. And if there's a small portion of voters that will never ever trust her or vote for her, it might be worth accepting that loss and letting them go.
Shake Appeal
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Granted, plenty of people are viciously misogynistic about Hillary Clinton ... but there are a world of reasons not to vote for her. I would still vote for her in the general if I had a vote, without a second's hesitation, but oh boy would I have to hold my nose while doing it.
shortsFortallPeople
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well how of that can't also be applied to trump? on top of being xenophobic and doing knowing winks to racists, too.
hillary isn't perfect but when it comes to the lesser of two evils, i'm going to side with the lesser one who is a known quantity over the greater one who seems to be making it up as he goes along.
I would hate to imagine Trump having the power to nominate people to the supreme court
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