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[Alienous]

Can we at least get doughnut Sully?

 

[KORNdoggy]

I'd rather no representation over another "haha look doughnuts" character. Please.

you want such character depth as "haha look burgers" instead? you ask for too much!

 

[silva1991]

Pre order cancelled.

 

[Cereal Enthusiast]

With real time cutscenes I was wondering how it was going to work anyway.

 

[Aceofspades]

There will be a time when human communications would cease to exist in fear of offending anyone.

 

[benicillin]

This is bullshit. I know it's just a dumb skin, but, this makes me a little worried this entry will be tonally inconsistent with the rest of the series.

Like, I'm just trying to have some fun, dawg. Don't need to go on a super emotional journey. Let me be fat as shit if I want to be.

I'm pretty sure every preview so far totally dismisses that fear. They talked about it and decided they didn't want to put it in, it's really not a big deal.

 

[notaskwid]

 

[Henkka]

Can we at least get doughnut Sully?

I laughed.

Guess I haven't matured.

 

[Holygriever]

I'd rather no representation over another "haha look doughnuts" character. Please.

This.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

That explanation doesn't make much sense to me. Laughing at who's expense?

Really?

While im sure many just like the fact that Drake is different when he is 'doughnut drake', you are basically fat shaming by including the character model.

Yes he isnt real, but obviously Neil feels that including that character skin just encourages the idea that someone being fat is funny or making fun of it is valid which could make some people believe the same thing goes for people in real life.

While some may disagree with that idea, its also completely fair that Neil feels that way and has decided to do his part and not include a potentially harmful stereotype.

 

[Mac the KNife]

"I didn't want to have a laugh at someone’s expense," adding that, "I thought we’d matured beyond that."

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

 

[dity]

you want such character depth as "haha look burgers" instead? you ask for too much!

I'll accept nothing less than "I'm stuck in a window, go on without me". At least let me think I can be the victim of circumstance. People ain't for windows.

 

[shield]

You might want to hop into the preview thread.

I'm on a (not very strict) media blackout! Hopefully you're implying that there's plenty of levity shown in the new previews, though

 

[WinFonda]

hecantkeepgettingawaywithit.gif

 

[OléGunner]

This is bullshit. I know it's just a dumb skin, but, this makes me a little worried this entry will be tonally inconsistent with the rest of the series.

Like, I'm just trying to have some fun, dawg. Don't need to go on a super emotional journey. Let me be fat as shit if I want to be.

I don't think you can extrapolate the removal of an optional skin to the entire game being dark and gloomy with ND being fun suckers.

Then again, I've been on media blackout lately so I don't know how the new previews are depicting the games tone.

 

[The Omega Man]

Hey Uncharted 4 you PC brah? I am PC too brah, we should totally hang out brah, you know, all us PC people.

 

[canedaddy]

Good call! Next someone please make a series of videos about tropes vs. heavyset people in gaming. Fat Frequency.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

I'd rather no representation over another "haha look doughnuts" character. Please.

But it's a game character. It's not a real person. We have characters wearing mini bikinis as armors and tits bigger than my head, and that's not discrimination?

All of a sudden your character decides to get fat and its discrimination? I've gotten fat in my life. Evilore has gotten fat in his life. Everyone gains and losses weight in their life. However, there is a digital character that can't be fat?

Killing thousands of people is okay, but getting fat is crossing the line and laughing at someone's expense? Okay.

 

[Revven]

Totally. I'm sure this is what they are tryna avoid.
Look at the kerfuffle already with Laura Bailey playing a black character, people can be sensitive to a lot of things.

Hopefully ND have other jokey alternatives to doughnut Drake in the game.

Yeah maybe they'll have Toon Drake again instead or something, a reference to Crash's body shape like in UC1.

As long as character skins are in the game at all, along with the other cheats/tweaks we've gotten in UC1/UC2 I'm fine.

I would be incredibly disappointed if they went the TLOU route with respect to skins and it's just Drake with different clothes and no way to actually change from playing as Drake... HOPEFULLY it's not like that.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Start with a fat Drake and lose weight throughout to game. All that exercise.

 

[WrenchNinja]

That explanation is dumb

How many fat characters can you play as in video games. And you are taking that away

 

[Chris_C]

Thanks. Now I have to watch Hot Fuzz again. Right now. For the greater good.

On topic, if the directors of the game don't want it in because they aren't comfortable with it, that's fine, don't see what the fuss is.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

The dream is dead.

 

[Newtype-001]

The dream is dead.

Spoiler

Diabetes killed it

 

[PsihoPerihelion]

Like I needed any more reasons to despise you, Druckmann #TeamDonuts #ImWithDrake

 

[Caayn]

Watch them add doughnut Drake as a paid DLC character.

 

[jediyoshi]

No Drake upskirts either, I suppose.

 

[Auctopus]

There I was thinking I was mature enough for Naughty Dog games.

 

[zsynqx]

Like I needed any more reasons to despise you, Druckmann #TeamDonuts #ImWithDrake

What are the other reasons out of interest?

 

[Alienous]

I can't even imagine how good those realtime cutscenes would have been.

Drake coming out of retirement, that scene where he meets Sam from PSX. Gosh, it would have been good.

 

[WrenchNinja]

What are the other reasons out of interest?

Being a 3000 year old immortal despot

 

[dity]

But it's a game character. It's not a real person. We have characters wearing mini bikinis as armors and tits bigger than my head, and that's not discrimination?

All of a sudden your character decides to get fat and its discrimination? I've gotten fat in my life. Evilore has gotten fat in his life. Everyone gains and losses weight in their life. However, there is a digital character that can't be fat?

Killing thousands of people is okay, but getting fat is crossing the line and laughing at someone's expense? Okay.

What's this decides nonsense? "We made him fat because it's funny" like totally bulldozes whatever your post was meant to mean. Namedropping Evilore? The dark devil ain't gonna save you.

 

[Shifty]

Someone cranked the Temporal AA slider up too high on this gif.

 

[Falchion]

Donut Drake was a lot of fun and I loved how much slower he was.

 

[TM94]

Stunning and Brave.

 

[RecRoulette]

Yeah maybe they'll have Toon Drake again instead or something, a reference to Crash's body shape like in UC1.

As long as character skins are in the game at all, along with the other cheats/tweaks we've gotten in UC1/UC2 I'm fine.

I would be incredibly disappointed if they went the TLOU route with respect to skins and it's just Drake with different clothes and no way to actually change from playing as Drake... HOPEFULLY it's not like that.

Cartoon Drake was hilarious, shame that he wasn't in later games.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

What's this decides nonsense? "We made him fat because it's funny" like totally bulldozes whatever your post was meant to mean. Namedropping Evilore? The dark devil ain't gonna save you.

It's an optional skin, man.

Whatever, you all can have your serious game in a serious game world with a serious treasure hunting killing spree building emotional man with marriage and brother issues. I miss Amy Hennig already.

 

[Dennis]

"I didn't want to have a laugh at someone’s expense," adding that, "I thought we’d matured beyond that."

How many people are we going to murder in Uncharted 4 while bantering and cracking jokes?

 

[Marvel]

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

But it's a game character. It's not a real person. We have characters wearing mini bikinis as armors and tits bigger than my head, and that's not discrimination?

All of a sudden your character decides to get fat and its discrimination? I've gotten fat in my life. Evilore has gotten fat in his life. Everyone gains and losses weight in their life. However, there is a digital character that can't be fat?

Killing thousands of people is okay, but getting fat is crossing the line and laughing at someone's expense? Okay.

Discrimination isn't a zero sum game. One isn't mutually exclusive to another.

Being a 3000 year old immortal despot

Huh, Neil does look like Vandal Savage, doesn't he?

 

[MMaRsu]

Pc police everyone watch out

/s

seriously this is kind of dumb

 

[Heartfyre]

I'm surprised, since they went hard with the Doughnut Drake support in the Nathan Drake Collection, with the Fat and the Furious challenges across all of the games.

And honestly, I think it's a bad move, especially if it's already been developed. It's not a clever addition, but it's also just a bit of fun. It's worth having for the sake of series legacy alone. Hopefully they change their minds post-launch.

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

But it's a game character. It's not a real person. We have characters wearing mini bikinis as armors and tits bigger than my head, and that's not discrimination?

All of a sudden your character decides to get fat and its discrimination? I've gotten fat in my life. Evilore has gotten fat in his life. Everyone gains and losses weight in their life. However, there is a digital character that can't be fat?

Killing thousands of people is okay, but getting fat is crossing the line and laughing at someone's expense? Okay.

Drake's fatness is juxtaposed with his adventurous actions and it's supposed to be funny. That's kind of laughing at the expense of a fat guy. I don't think it's unreasonable that someone on the dev side doesn't want to do that, not out of fear of reprisal from the fat community, but because they actually, internally, don't want to target fat people as a joke.

In all the talk of "censorship" and "SJWs" and "easily offended" this and that, it seems like people forget that some people actually feel, of their own accord, that it's wrong to hurt people's feelings for no good reason.

Also, "but it's not a real person" is like the weakest retort possible. "Oh, this super racist caricature of a black person is just a cartoon! What's the big deal?"

 

[Jito]

Well that sucks, and of course we've already got people calling it fat shaming, get a grip.

 

[dity]

It's an optional skin, man.

Whatever, you all can have your serious game in a serious game world. I miss Amy Hennig already.

But you peoples always be the same. Act like it's ok cos they ain't got any realness, than act like they got autonomy to choose. You cray.

Let's get serious. 10/10, The Last of Uncharted.

 

[dugdug]

I'm pretty sure every preview so far totally dismisses that fear. They talked about it and decided they didn't want to put it in, it's really not a big deal.

Well, that's good to know. I'm on media blackout, so, I didn't read many of them.

I don't think you can extrapolate the removal of an optional skin to the entire game being dark and gloomy with ND being fun suckers.

The trailers have been super gloomy as well, though.

 

[Evil's Bane]

I kinda get what they're saying, but I can't take the devs of Uncharted seriously when they say they're afraid of putting something like this in. How many foreign people will Drake wipe out this game? 2000?

 

[ManUnkindH]

I'm having serious doubts about U4 if he really said " "I thought we’d matured beyond that." What in the fuck?

 

[Lapidus' Beard]

Good for Neil that he has matured.
I have not though.

 

[Phu]

Honestly, he looks way beyond what it means to be fat.