GHG
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Parity clause? ¯_(ツ_/¯
They don't want their Xbox One users to feel like second class citizens clearly.
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DF: Quantum Break PC vs XB1
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They don't want their Xbox One users to feel like second class citizens clearly.
I'm assuming you mean when logged into the same profile?
potatohead
Member
option C. they'll restate it in a month but you won't see any evidence of it for 16. lol
Insane Metal
Member
Just saw the video comparing the XBone and the PC version and wtf... the reconstruction technique used in the console version is in use in the PC and cannot be disabled. WTF is this bullshit, remedy? Goddamn it.
ps: I don't even have a PC to run this game, but this is some serious bullshit for PC players.
ps: I don't even have a PC to run this game, but this is some serious bullshit for PC players.
You could probably take any PC enthusiast on here and they would point out so much shit in X PC port/game. Yet people that develops and tests games for a living can apparently not see when a game runs like shit. So it's either that they know about the problems and ignores them in favor of just getting the game out while shitting out a couple of patches later down the line hoping that people will forgive and forget. Or some people are very incompetent. It's probably the former, but in some cases also the latter. And Microsoft's UWP, oh boy.
Robobandit
Member
I'd bet money that QA said "yo, this game runs like shit.. this needs more dev time" but MS said "ship that shit. we don't care, we'll fix it later if they complain loud enough"
matrix-cat
Member
It's amazing that Microsoft has gone from talking up their reaffirmed commitment to PC gaming to GFWL 2.0 so fast we barely even had time to see it coming.
Yeah, this really baffles me, particularly with games that stutter like this. You only have to see a couple of seconds of a game being played to know if it stutters; I don't know how you can go through an entire development cycle without ever noticing it.
Yeah, this really baffles me, particularly with games that stutter like this. You only have to see a couple of seconds of a game being played to know if it stutters; I don't know how you can go through an entire development cycle without ever noticing it.
The devs most likely do see the problems. It's usually the publisher the one who doesn't want to spend more money to fix everything.
To the people who defend UWP and people who keep saying "Just enjoy the game and quit nitpicking about graphics and framerate"
This game shows everything wrong with UWP.
Half of the issues could be fixed by the community right now but they can't because of UWP.
Frame pacing, framerate unlocker, maybe even native rendering and removing the film grain...all could have been fixed if it wasn't for UWP.
This game shows everything wrong with UWP.
Half of the issues could be fixed by the community right now but they can't because of UWP.
Frame pacing, framerate unlocker, maybe even native rendering and removing the film grain...all could have been fixed if it wasn't for UWP.
Primethius
Banned
FPS cap is 5/6ths of the refresh rate?
Umm... what?
Umm... what?
@Dark
Is it possible to go higher than 50FPS if the screen has a higher than 60 refresh rate?
I doubt it's that. Won't be surprised if they had to rush to make a PC release which resulted in a half assed port. They have to be aware of the issues but probably just didn't/couldn't spend any time optimising it for the platform.
Is it possible to go higher than 50FPS if the screen has a higher than 60 refresh rate?
I doubt it's that. Won't be surprised if they had to rush to make a PC release which resulted in a half assed port. They have to be aware of the issues but probably just didn't/couldn't spend any time optimising it for the platform.
You're just imagining those issues bro.
"By adjusting FOV, do you really mean FOV or draw distance? The FOV is automatically adjusted when aiming and during cinematics, look-ats etc. Not sure if making it more adjustable would benefit that much, unless you're a big fan of fisheye lenses or really tight close-ups of the back of Jack's head."
"It's like Brokeback Mountain all over again... You can exit Quantum Break just like any Windows 10 application, move the mouse cursor to the upper right corner and the regular [X] should appear."
potatohead
Member
It's like a nice pie that they just had to stick their hand in and take 1/6th of the pie for no particular reason other than to make people annoyed and upset.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Has anyone said that?
GHG
Member
Yes, and they were swiftly dealt with by the mods.
Dictator93
Member
You should have visited the perf and "is a mess" thread: A surprising number of bans and comments that said basically that.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
What type of response is this?
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
Thanks for the article dark10x this whole thing is so disappointing. On top of the technical issues this is the basically the highest priced game on sale in many regions right now. It's pretty awful to the consumer to release a broken product and then have the arrogance to price it above the market. I can't really imagine how this could've gone worse for Remedy and Microsoft. I feel for Remedy a little as well but this makes them both look awful.
LordRaptor
Member
In the UK, you can buy it on a disk at retail for X1 for £40, digitally for X1 through the Xbox store for £45 (with free AW) and for PC digitally only through the Win10 store for £50.
e:
The correct response to this is of course "Why would you live there?"
matrix-cat
Member
You're just imagining those issues bro.
"We're just trying to determine which problems you shitheels are lying about before we decide whether we want to fix anything. Suck a boner. Remedy out"
I find myself asking the same question all the time.
ethomaz
Banned
This is the worst that come from the video gaming industry.
BTW I said in the last DF thread that this retro construction tech is ridiculous bad but I was wrong about Remedy having the minimum common sense to remove it from PC.
It is umbeliable for me but they choose to use this frankenstein tech on PC.
Not just that they fucked up high level with performance and optimizations on PC. Well to be fair even on Xbone it is a pretty bad IQ for thus gen standards.
It is sad to see good games getting this treating from developers.
BTW I said in the last DF thread that this retro construction tech is ridiculous bad but I was wrong about Remedy having the minimum common sense to remove it from PC.
It is umbeliable for me but they choose to use this frankenstein tech on PC.
Not just that they fucked up high level with performance and optimizations on PC. Well to be fair even on Xbone it is a pretty bad IQ for thus gen standards.
It is sad to see good games getting this treating from developers.
LukasTaves
Member
The xbone does have high quality everything thoug, the only concession there seems to be is resolution.
Of course a chance is better than none. But the game is quite heavy and the rendering cost is clearly direct related to the resolution. (more so than the usual)
Seeing the hit just increasing the resolution on shadows or the volumetric lights are a big evidence that turning the resolution up would only make things that much worse and not necessarily because of lack optimization, but because the game does seem very expensive.
Though, given how it performs on xbone it def should perform better on pc, but that could be that weird limit in place.
But indeed, resolving the frame pacing /limit would already do wonders, and that should be fixable already.
But in the very least we know that the bits that will enable those tools to work on uwp are arriving soon. Far from being ideal but future releases will benefit from it. Perhaps ms should deliver those bits sooner for windows insider folks? At least there would be an way to play the game.
Yeah, and that is the biggest issue even.
Hopefully this makes ms worry and deliver sooner than expected the compatibly with external tools.
texhnolyze
Banned
The Quit button certainly isn't. But I guess Remedy needs time to confirm that as well. (after checking every pixel on the main menu just to be sure).
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Ah man that is actually a huge bummer to me. I can't imagine the game is doing all that great at retail right now and PC gamers are really patient if they get some communication from the devs but with this kind of stuff I feel like they are really sending this game to die.
texhnolyze
Banned
This thread wouldn't have 600+ posts if that's a certainty.
It's a real issue (no matter how small it is) with a quite simple fix.
Yes, which is why this showing of UWP being a total shitshow for them is laughable and "exhibit A" on why PC gamers wish they'd just leave their PC initiatives alone and just roll out DirectX updates while not holding said DX updates hostage.
Everytime they've said they "care about the PC" something like this happens where it blows right up in their face because of numerous issues.
BruceLeeRoy said:
UWP already sent it to die on PC. Nobody should be supporting the UWP initiative unless they're literally handing the game out like candy/free to folks in an attempt to garner good will. There is far too many limitations to buy into Microsoft's "Games for Windows Live 2.0" initiative. Double so when you've seen what happened to GfWL 1.0
Certainly would be nice if folks had full control over v-sync, buffering, and the ability to mod game files right now.
How can the biggest player in the entire PC space fuck it up so bad every time they try to be part of PC gaming, this platform is going to do lasting damage to every game that uses it
How can the biggest player in the entire PC space fuck it up so bad every time they try to be part of PC gaming, this platform is going to do lasting damage to every game that uses it
Collateral22
Member
They can't. It's down to MS for that and they won't let it go on Steam.
wumster3000
Member
I don't know what Microsoft is doing this generation. I am so confused as to what they want or what message they want gamer's to receive. This port along with other issues, have left me scratching my head at the incompetence of Microsoft. Their handling of highly sensitive issues is crap.
I honestly think that they have sold more Playstations than Sony. This port is absolutely uncalled for coming from a company like Remedy and Microsoft. If you are committed to PC, then do it correctly. Don't shoehorn games and then expect people to be alright with it. It's embarrassing and both companies should feel embarrassed. People want to support you, but judging from this port and other bad things, you give us little reason to do so. This is not just PC either. This is Xbox related as well.
This Miyamoto quote is often used on Gaf and I am going to use it again.
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."
I honestly think that they have sold more Playstations than Sony. This port is absolutely uncalled for coming from a company like Remedy and Microsoft. If you are committed to PC, then do it correctly. Don't shoehorn games and then expect people to be alright with it. It's embarrassing and both companies should feel embarrassed. People want to support you, but judging from this port and other bad things, you give us little reason to do so. This is not just PC either. This is Xbox related as well.
This Miyamoto quote is often used on Gaf and I am going to use it again.
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."
Certainly would be nice if folks had full control over v-sync, buffering, and the ability to mod game files right now.
How can the biggest player in the entire PC space fuck it up so bad every time they try to be part of PC gaming, this platform is going to do lasting damage to every game that uses it
Because they don't care about PC gamers. They just want to push their platform on people. If that comes at the expense of a few pesky PC gamers, so be it. They can just keep pushing harder with PR (and perhaps moneyhats) until it becomes a thing... until they abandon it a few years later for their new hotness platform.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
The tiny sliver of light at the end of the tunnel is that the game itself is pretty fucking good, I'm probably being stupidly naive right now in hoping that the issues can be fixed sooner rather than later. Wanted to do my second playthrough once my PC code arrived but from the sounds of it, my 970 might run the game worse than the Xbone which is bullshit.
Ricky Ricardo
Member
This is garbage. Microsoft is responsible here, more so than Remedy, IMO. Spencer said Quantum Break was developed for Xbox One and was not a good fit to just jump over to PC.
Suddenly, the men upstairs say that QB has to end up on PC in order to prop up this UWA initiative which, as of now, has failed with Quantum Break. They sent the game out to die as a UWP, and I wish I could find the article now, but I remember Remedy saying that there were limitations to UWP that they were working through, things that should be there but weren't finished yet.
This is the thing about Microsoft that confuses me to no end. This could have been the PREMIERE UWP. The killer app for the Windows 10 Store. They could've have released the XB1 version first (since it's clear that a majority of the game's development went into it) and released the PC version in a finished, playable state.
But it seems that since the start of this generation, Microsoft has been determined to undermine whatever success they have in gaming spaces. Good games held back by a weak console, good games held back by a restrictive, unnecessary app platform.
Quantum Break is a fantastic game. It deserves better than this.
Suddenly, the men upstairs say that QB has to end up on PC in order to prop up this UWA initiative which, as of now, has failed with Quantum Break. They sent the game out to die as a UWP, and I wish I could find the article now, but I remember Remedy saying that there were limitations to UWP that they were working through, things that should be there but weren't finished yet.
This is the thing about Microsoft that confuses me to no end. This could have been the PREMIERE UWP. The killer app for the Windows 10 Store. They could've have released the XB1 version first (since it's clear that a majority of the game's development went into it) and released the PC version in a finished, playable state.
But it seems that since the start of this generation, Microsoft has been determined to undermine whatever success they have in gaming spaces. Good games held back by a weak console, good games held back by a restrictive, unnecessary app platform.
Quantum Break is a fantastic game. It deserves better than this.
there is no win32 version, this is an xbone game running on UWP. same for gears and KI.
the only high-profile game on UWP i know of with a win32 version is tomb raider, which coincidentally (or not) seems basically fine on either platform.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
What a bunch of chumps.
This is disheartening. They made Quantum Break to generate funds for Alan Wake 2, and they did a fantastic job with it.
I hope it sells well enough on Xbox alone to accomplish what they set out to do. It's a crying shame that Microsoft didn't ensure the PC port is up to standards at launch, and I hope that doesn't create any animosity between them, Remedy are a top tier developer deserving the utmost respect.
texhnolyze
Banned
Yes, the game is good for XB1, but unfortunately not for PC. I believe wumster is talking about delaying the PC version. I'm pretty sure PC gamers wouldn't mind, especially knowing that this was an XB1 exclusive. Pushing the PC version to be released at the same time with XB1 is the mistake. It's rushed.
Bl@de
Member
I hope it's sooner than later. And I hope they never try again when all they can think of is Gfwl and UWP
bananafactory
Banned
Ah man that is actually a huge bummer to me. I can't imagine the game is doing all that great at retail right now and PC gamers are really patient if they get some communication from the devs but with this kind of stuff I feel like they are really sending this game to die.
I get what they're trying to say but that's not really a good response when it's clear the problems ARE widespread. Poor communication
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