BruceLeeRoy
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Thank the lord I didn't make that avatar bet for Zelda.
That was a close one.
That was a close one.
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NPD Sales Results for March 2016
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
That's the thing, Evo basically stopped existing a few months after DC launched. Sony laid off a lot of staff and the remaining team was tasked to developing DLC. But at that point (March 2015) it was already clear that the team would not develop another game. They just got another year to finally finish the PS+ version.
Gears of War launches October 11. Could get that month by a sliver. May be some new hardware launching alongside it too.
wonderful103
Member
Irrational wasn't a first party studio
Nightengale
Member
What does that have to do with a game's flop status?
Even if it wins, it'd still lose.
to the PSVR
AnthonypUK
Member
and that means?
Primethius
Banned
None of what you posted actually points to it being a flop.
There exists a broad spectrum of categories a games sales can fall into.
It's not binary: commercial success and flop.
DriftingSpirit
Member
It is for a good deal of Gaf, unfortunately.
Unknown?
Member
PS3 is still $250, only $100 less than PS4 and lots of retailers don't stock them anymore. I only see refurbished at Best Buy. No one's going to buy one new at that price! PS3 would have strong legs if it dropped to $129 like PS2 or even $149 but that'll never happen.
Are we forgetting that Evolution Studios was reduced shortly after Driveclub launched and not in the "Of course they reduced staff, they finished the game!!1!" kind of way.
???
People expected the game to sold better and the fact that Take-two didn't even mentioned the game in their fiscal report confirmed suspicions that the game under performed so it was not surprise when Take-two almost closed Irrational and another studio is going to do the games (if they make another, that's it)
Steverulez
Member
I think it was more likely a combination of things... did it make money? Thats not clear, the third Motorstorm launched at a difficult time... Drive club's one year delay was likely a very expensive move then it launched with some server issues which are the sort of thing you shouldn't really have when you've delayed it for a long period and that meant the PS+ version didn't happen for a while after.
Reviews were alright but probably didn't help their cause (also weren't bad either), to be fair to Sony they seemed to bundle it hard in Europe at least. I suspect that individually these issues may not have caused them to be close but when you add it all up, delaying from launch was probably really not good for them (even if it helped them make a better game), I suspect it would have sold well at launch and without the year long delay.
Its a series of unfortunate events really.
AnthonypUK
Member
If Halo could only do it by 25k, i'm not sure Gears can.
Wouldn't describe it as successful and the debacles can't be separated from it. Don't quite get that.
Agreed. The only thing we can say is that DC might have flopped in the US/NPD but it evidently sold really well in the rest of the world, especially for a racing game in this day and age.
wonderful103
Member
first party publishers are generally a lot more lenient than 3rd party ones, unless they don't find any value in keeping said studio around
That was against PS4's first pricecut. Still wasn't a good showing on either front. The PS4's pricecut underwhelmed (initially) and Halo moved a series low number in both software and hardware moved.
If Gears goes up against a 349$ PS4 I think Xbox can steal October. This is only given what we know of course. There could be a PS4 slim + $299 + PSVR + Horizon combo planned that completely cleans house for all we know.
AnthonypUK
Member
It was heavily bundled and immediately discounted here in the UK, if it had sold "really well" evolution would still be around.
Purely looking at it sales, if everything around it went fine, I can't see how Sony would be upset about the sales. From all indications it seems to have done better than Forza has lately.
I'm sure the numerous debacles added to the overall cost of the game by a lot though.
How many racing games have sold 2+ million copies this gen? Feel free to include multi platform games. Racing is a dying genre.
Primethius
Banned
Nobody is forgetting that. This talk is based around DC being a "flop."
The argument I'm presenting isn't "DC sold a shit ton and was a massive success."
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I would buy a new slim to replace my OG Phat (that is loud) if they were in the $129 region. But alas they are not, and I refuse to spend that much on one.
So far 2016 continue to be the worst XB1 year ever... Even with The Division which sold over 800,000 at retail and that temporaney pricedrop, is just barely up YOY this month. And is also way down compared to March 2014, but that's expect since this was the Titanfall month ( which sold 1,080,000 at retail).
CosmicQueso
Member
The racing genre is such a mess. Calling one racer a "success" and others "failures" when the whole genre is a shell of its former self?
Racing generated <4% market share in the US last year. So all these racing games are fighting for slices of a very small niche. It's a very tough market to be in, and no one's really winning at it.
1 title has hit 2m this gen, and it isn't The Crew. 1 other title hit 1m, also not The Crew. Everything else is below that.
Racing generated <4% market share in the US last year. So all these racing games are fighting for slices of a very small niche. It's a very tough market to be in, and no one's really winning at it.
1 title has hit 2m this gen, and it isn't The Crew. 1 other title hit 1m, also not The Crew. Everything else is below that.
AnthonypUK
Member
Indeed, not just the monetary loss, it made Sony look like a joke a number of times.
having to announce a delay 4 weeks before the release of their new console, leaving a hole in their retail line up AND one in their PS+ offering - that they had to fill that would have cost. Then there was no release date for months, then it released, the servers shit the bed, leaving PSN+ owners again without the game, and many purchasers with problems playing the game.
It was a PR disaster a number of times,not even good post launch support could make up for it.
Primethius
Banned
2m has got to be MK. 1m is most likely Forza 5?
I'm blanking out on what other games could hit those numbers in the NPD.
AnthonypUK
Member
Need for Speed?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Exactly.
Primethius
Banned
Good call. That one completely slipped my mind.
CosmicQueso
Member
2:1? Oh, we're doing these worldwide things in the US thread again.
Anyways, If your key metric is share, then what's happening in the US isn't great. But it's hardly a disaster.
Nearly 20% HW growth vs your prior gen release is also hardly a disaster. Hell, if you told MS before launch or even after that debacle of an E3 that they'd have that kind of growth after 2 1/2 years in the US they would have been ecstatic.
This arguing of extremes isn't a good look. Not everything is a disaster or a huge success. Plenty of stuff is just kinda blah.
Well then we should all try to stay on topic. And MK8 doesn't have many Rivals when it comes to Racing.
MK8 and NFS: Rivals, but I think he was talking WW numbers when mentioning the Crew.
PanicFreak
Member
BioShock Infinite was in development for almost 6 years. Flops and expectations go hand-in-hand.
They also made a $15 Bikes expansion.
Why is the racing genre so dead? Its not like say rhythm games where you could point to specific things...
You couldnt even say that theres movement of sales from arcade racers to sims. To me its a wierd trend as always thought its an evergreen genre - hopefully VR gives it a boost/props it up...
Such a shame - one of the main reasons I buy consoles really
EDIT: Perhaps this is just a US thing?!?
ps3ud0 8)
You couldnt even say that theres movement of sales from arcade racers to sims. To me its a wierd trend as always thought its an evergreen genre - hopefully VR gives it a boost/props it up...
Such a shame - one of the main reasons I buy consoles really
EDIT: Perhaps this is just a US thing?!?
ps3ud0 8)
Primethius
Banned
So, MK8 above 2 million and NFS: Rivals above 1 million.
You the best Cosmic. Unless I misinterpreted. Then you're the worst.
You the best Cosmic. Unless I misinterpreted. Then you're the worst.
The 360 is going to catch up with the Xbone soon enough, despite the fact it was supply constrained for a lengthy period after launch.
There's no way to spin that as being OK.
Head to head?
In the United States, the Xbox 360 was far more of a financial success than you're implying and they had Xbox Live revenue. The PS3 was nowhere near as profitable here.
Driveclub can't be considered a successful game otherwise Evolution would still be with Sony. It's as simple as that.
Some people are quickly forgetting (and forgiving) the fact that the game missed it's intended release date by a whole year and even with that it came out with a totally broken online that needed months to be fixed and barebone contents. It was a colossal debacle and it also had really poor sales at launch. All this caused financial and image damages.
Sony quite frankly should have closed the studio back then, instead they tried to save the situation by shifting to a ''game as a platform'' business model and in that time Evolution was able to realize their vision through continous updates.
But it's clear that the financial side of the whole thing was not working hence the recent decisions to pull the plug. Fortunately the talents were acquired by Codemasters and not scattered around.
But no Driveclub can't be considered overall a successful project just because eventually developers were given all the time and resources to make the game they had in mind notwithstanding all the failures.
At this point people should have a wait and see approach about Street Fighter V as well, instead the bashing in this thread alone is quite strong as far as I can read.
LegendofLex
Member
Splatoon having nothing to compete with doesn't explain it matching up favorably against Mario Kart 8 which released during a similar drought in the same month the previous year.
Mass Effect
Member
so I see we got numbers last night
So I wonder how much of an effect that Gamestop deal had? Enough to keep the gap from being 100k again?
Driveclub and Forza 5?
or Driveclub and Project Cars?
oh right US only...
MK8 and NFS?
So I wonder how much of an effect that Gamestop deal had? Enough to keep the gap from being 100k again?
Driveclub and Forza 5?
or Driveclub and Project Cars?
oh right US only...
MK8 and NFS?
CosmicQueso
Member
Not saying it's okay. It's just not a "disaster". And we don't yet know what MS might be doing with revisions or anything. Who knows, maybe they come out with something that reinvigorates the curve. No one knows right now.
