Wasn't the narrative that Sony made money back on every PS4 when a consumer purchased a single game and PSN Plus?
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Nintendo's 2015 Fiscal Year Financial Results Briefing | 10:00 AM JST
Wasn't the narrative that Sony made money back on every PS4 when a consumer purchased a single game and PSN Plus?
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Hm, now, the more interesting question would be, is PS4K going to be sold at loss? Being a more enthusiast oriented device, i'd think not. If NX is going to be in the ballpark of PS4K/XOne.5, maybe a bit lower, they might be able to avoid selling it at loss without dooming it by high price.
That's the one thing that Nintendo is very welcome to ignore for at least the NX gen.
Yeah, it was. I'm wondering whether there might be a similar rationale Nintendo have going for them rather than outright making money back on every piece of hardware sold.
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Hm if, BIG if, the thing about AMD's fuck-up is indeed true, i can see Nintendo getting some really *exceptional* deals in return for the impact on NX's production.
It makes sense too because as we all know, Nintendo games have crazy attach ratios, even more so at launch. They'll probably have a pack-in game too in order to demonstrate the unique aspects of the system but I can see people pick up Zelda in droves too and if the system encourages local co-op, controllers and other accessories.
I know I'm late but Last train home is probably one of my favorite pat metheny songs.
Zelda will have more than 5 years of development when it will release. That would make it not to be the best driver for profitability, the costs must be pretty big for it.
Edit: I think the question and the answer were pretty clear, they talk about the hardware as a loss-leader and how it won't be the case for NX. Nothing about games or paid services.
Edit: I think the question and the answer were pretty clear, they talk about the hardware as a loss-leader and how it won't be the case for NX. Nothing about games or paid services.
I don't think they'll charge for online, but eventually I'm expecting something like a "My Nintendo Premium" subscription service that grants you special monthly rewards, akin to Games With Gold and PS+, but not limited to games but also special items (Miitomo clothes etc.) and/or DLC.
Where/what happened with AMD? Bad yields or something?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Third option is they're selling it at a higher price, but I'm not sure they'd go that route.
One thing about Kimishima--he's right about the 3DS lineup. It's very strong this year, and there are probably titles we haven't heard about yet.
jeffers said:
Poster in another thread said his friend at AMD said the plans for NX and the next Xbox revision were mixed, which screwed up production.
If this is aimed at me in regards to Zelda, I just inserted the name of a big, bankable Nintendo IP so feel free to replace it with any of the others
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It's about this post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202184927&postcount=4174
But yeah, this is nothing but a possible rumor right now, with just this one user posting it. Big grain of salt, as usual with NX rumors.
I think that was a misinterpretation of a statement from Reggie.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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WTF? lol, there's no way that's real. That's bad sitcom material right there.
I disagree. Nintendo should do it, but better. Four words: Virtual Console On Demand. You know you'd pay $50/year for online if it gave you full access to every VC game. Tell me that's not worth it. Just try.
... Well, assuming that VC is updated regularly of course. Either way, just looking at PSN they're obviously going to do it. Even making a tenth of what Sony made would be huge for them.
LOL
Yeah, right. In one way it would be a good thing since it would almost certainly confirm 14nmFF (which I now believe is actually the most likely possibility after considering all factors), but that's too ridiculous to believe.
yeah this is very confusing. Is he saying FY2016 is gonna suck?
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A huge launch week I guess? Lol
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They shouldn't do it if they don't get or have many MP focused games. It has to be viable, having games like Destiny or The Division for example, their own games might be not enough.
Over 2 mio. consoles sold at launch in March sound pretty impossible, so maybe he means financially the launch (hardware and software) will bring enough income for a flat year/year? Still kind of very optimistic assumption.
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I might rebuy Destiny on NX just for the novelty factor.
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The first batch of a console is general more expensive. But Sony made the statement that they the typical launch buy is profitable.
After a few months Sony released a statement that the Playstation 4 is profitable.
So, when Kimi-san says hardware should be profitable for NX, does that make it likelier to be a more or less powerful device w/ or w/o a more or less powerful gimmick? I guess it's hard to know, right?
A large part of the decline in sales of Wii U hardware--do they mean just for this FY? Because I would suspect if NX launches in March it would probably sell more units than Wii U did in an entire year, no?
Also, the investor here notes NX contributions to profitability being included in forecasts, is that true? For some reason I'd thought not.
Also sounds like lots of DLC coming this year.
I'm trying to understand this also. Where does the 2M consoles come from? Last year's Wii U sales minus this year's expectations?
Didn't Wii U sell 1.5M in its first six weeks? http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/11/how-successful-was-the-wii-u-launch
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I expect a lot of Wii U DLC. Maybe Mario Kart 8 will get a battle mode?!?
With Splatoon DLC done (though didn't the producer in his January speech hint there might be more to come), and Smash DLC done, I'd be surprised if they went back to MK8. I'd expect MK9 to have a more traditional Battle Mode perhaps (don't forget, MK8 had one, just not the normal one).
As for additional DLC, I have to expect it to be on evergreen titles from the last 1-2 or so years. I imagine other teams have long since moved on to NX projects. I also specifically expect the 3DS games rather than Wii U will be the focus of additional DLC. Despite Wii U potentially only getting Paper Mario in H2 at retail, and 3DS having more unannounced FP games, at least one of which I expect to see this year (N-Stars*), I think with 3DS >>>> Wii U in sales and software they will focus on DLC there. Especially since DLC has been uber successful for them especially on 3DS IIRC.
*And I'm still thinking "big budget" means Mario Party-esque game could be less likely, at least in the traditional sense of that game, even with amiibo functionality, so perhaps it's a very different kind of Mario Party than we're used to seeing, maybe representing a revamp for the series?
Yes, 2016 Wii U - 2015 Wii U.
And now we're talking about maximum 4 weeks for a launch in a non-holiday period. We don't even know when in March it will launch.
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I think they might announce a Captain Toad 2 for Wii U also.
Mobile will drive them through 2016 I think
Ok, I see what you're saying. I wonder, was 2015 actually one of the better years of Wii U sales? I realize I could easily look that up, probably. *sweat emoji*
Yeah, it does seem quite optimistic. Maybe this is why he said "a large part of the great decline in the sales of WiiU hardware being made up by NX sales" and not the entirety. Hm.
Good point.
Exchange rates as of December 31st, 2012 (after Wii U launch)
USD: 1 USD = 86.58 Yen
Euro: 1 Euro = 114.71 Yen
Exhance rates as of March 31st, 2016
USD: 1 USD = 112.68 Yen
Euro: 1 Euro = 127.70 Yen
Forecast for March 31st, 2017 (NX launch period)
USD: 1 USD = 110.00 Yen
Euro: 1 Euro = 125.00 Yen
That could happen if they will be able to stick to the plan and not delay the next 2 games. Those should produce 4-6 months of decent income.
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I agree--it doesn't sound plausible.
This would thrill me. I expect no Wii U games to be announced, sadly.
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I think that could happen.Animal Crossing could if done right,or wrongly depending on your position regarding mobile games,be a huge money maker
3DS did 3.4 million in this same time frame... is it really impossible to do 2.4 million with a console launch when even Wii U sold over 3 million with just nintendoland and nsmbu? This thing is launching with Zelda and a slew of other game announcements.
They need PM happen, I need something to play by november. I hope they show a trailer or something in the E3
That's the funny thing. We don't even know if it's console, handheld, or both released at the same time. So speculating on numbers is futile.
I think they wouldn't want the badwill of no games in H2, and Paper Mario would probably get lost in the shuffle for NX if it came out near launch.
Unless you meant it'd be outright cancelled?
I still think we will get Paper Mario, but seeing how they talk about Wii U as about someone already dead, I wouldn't be surprised if it will be quietly canceled.
I think that having VCOD would be worth it on its own for many people though, especially if the games add to My Nintendo rewards.
1.6 million worldwide at launch is an extremely low bar. If they can't even manage that, it'll be the flop of the century.
Edit: Sorry for the double post. I meant to edit but forgot.
We're talking about maximum 1 month sales (it could be even one week depending when it actually launches). Wii U didn't sell 3 million in one month. A lot of the 3ds sales came from Japan, which is a totally different market now. Even more so for consoles.
Seeing as NX isn't expected to impact 3ds sales, just Wii U's according to Kimishima, I think it is safe to say that the one launching in March 2017 is a console.
I'm sure we'll still get it, especially with it having been revealed for the first time so recently. At the worst it would get moved to the NX, but I expect them to try to use PM as the lone Holiday 2016 title to try and holdover Wii U owners until NX.
...Not that it will though, everyone I know that likes Paper Mario is completely soured on the series since the last one.
Yeah could be I guess. Like you say it's a big "if" though as that AMD rumour sounds too hilarious to be true.
Yup, indeed it's an option. Personally I don't see that happening - but all bets are off with Nintendo hardware
Quickly to your last point, not sure how many 3DS devices Nintendo expects to sell in March.
Taking Japan completely out of the equation. (sold 1.06 million in japan up to march 31st 2011) Nintendo managed to sell 2.55 million 3DS units from march 25th (Europe) march 27th (America) and march 31th (Australia) 2.55 million in less than a week.
I wouldn't read his statements that way. He has more faith in the sales of 3DS this fiscal year, yes.
If it's a handheld, yes, it's feasible. I still think that everything points toward a console. From the Zelda being delayed to be the flagship game to Kimi's comments about Wii U forecast.
He specifically said that they reducing Wii U forcast because of NX. Nothing about 3ds. Then he doubled down on it in the Q&A. Come on.
Edit: Look how this presentation is structured when talking about the next FY:
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/160428/04.html
1. Talks about 3ds and how they plan to revitalize it through major releases.
2. Talks about NX launching in March 2017
3. Talks about greatly reducing Wii U production and shipping:
See the difference in tone between revitalizing 3ds and killing Wii U?