PS4 was being sold at a loss as far as I remember.
Wasn't the narrative that Sony made money back on every PS4 when a consumer purchased a single game and PSN Plus?
PS4 was being sold at a loss as far as I remember.
That's the one thing that Nintendo is very welcome to ignore for at least the NX gen.It's not very clear. But both charge for online so even if there would have been a small loss it was more than compensated by gold and plus.
Wasn't the narrative that Sony made money back on every PS4 when a consumer purchased a single game and PSN Plus?
Hm if, BIG if, the thing about AMD's fuck-up is indeed true, i can see Nintendo getting some really *exceptional* deals in return for the impact on NX's production.My interpretation: Either they've struck some exceptional deals with AMD or they are not aiming much higher than PS4. I'm fine with that btw. As long as it's modern technology and forward thinking, raw specs and FLOPS aint a big deal to me.
Yeah, it was. I'm wondering whether there might be a similar rationale Nintendo have going for them rather than outright making money back on every piece of hardware sold.
Gone but not forgotten
That's the one thing that Nintendo is very welcome to ignore for at least the NX gen.
Where/what happened with AMD? Bad yields or something?Hm if, BIG if, the thing about AMD's fuck-up is indeed true, i can see Nintendo getting some really *exceptional* deals in return for the impact on NX's production.
My interpretation: Either they've struck some exceptional deals with AMD or they are not aiming much higher than PS4. I'm fine with that btw. As long as it's modern technology and forward thinking, raw specs and FLOPS aint a big deal to me.
jeffers said:Where/what happened with AMD? Bad yields or something?
Zelda will have more than 5 years of development when it will release. That would make it not to be the best driver for profitability, the costs must be pretty big for it.
Edit: I think the question and the answer were pretty clear, they talk about the hardware as a loss-leader and how it won't be the case for NX. Nothing about games or paid services.
It's about this post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202184927&postcount=4174Where/what happened with AMD? Bad yields or something?
I thought that was the same thing for Wii U at launch with one game sold even with the gamepad price they were either even or making money back.
We are planning for a large part of the great decline in the sales of #WiiU hardware being made up by #NX sales.
WTF? lol, there's no way that's real. That's bad sitcom material right there.Poster in another thread said his friend at AMD said the plans for NX and the next Xbox revision were mixed, which screwed up production.
That's the one thing that Nintendo is very welcome to ignore for at least the NX gen.
Poster in another thread said his friend at AMD said the plans for NX and the next Xbox revision were mixed, which screwed up production.
Poster in another thread said his friend at AMD said the plans for NX and the next Xbox revision were mixed, which screwed up production.
How can Nintendo expect the NX to pick up the slack of the Wii U in 2016 in ONE MONTH!?
How can Nintendo expect the NX to pick up the slack of the Wii U in 2016 in ONE MONTH!?
They shouldn't do it if they don't get or have many MP focused games. It has to be viable, having games like Destiny or The Division for example, their own games might be not enough.I disagree. Nintendo should do it, but better. Four words: Virtual Console On Demand. You know you'd pay $50/year for online if it gave you full access to every VC game. Tell me that's not worth it. Just try.
... Well, assuming that VC is updated regularly of course. Either way, just looking at PSN they're obviously going to do it. Even making a tenth of what Sony made would be huge for them.
How can Nintendo expect the NX to pick up the slack of the Wii U in 2016 in ONE MONTH!?
I might rebuy Destiny on NX just for the novelty factor.They shouldn't do it if they don't get or have many MP focused games. It has to be viable, having games like Destiny or The Division for example, their own games might be not enough.
PS4 was being sold at a loss as far as I remember.
Next, about cost, we aren't thinking of the hardware being unprofitable. When the WiiU launched the exchange rate was that of a very strong yen, and so that we don't have that kind of a situation again, launching as a loss-leader won't be what makes up our business, so that's how we're progressing with NX development.
Q11. While the forecasted sales for the WiiU this fiscal year are extremely weak, NX contributions to profitability seem to be included appearing to be numbers showing that, "We have some confidence in the NX, which will start with a sprint." Do you believe that the new NX will be able to cover for the decline of the WiiU?
A11. We have forecast WiiU sales of 800,000 units for this fiscal year, a decline from 2.4m units last fiscal year. In terms of what will cover for it, essentially, the NX and smart device businesses will be central, and also, the download content business is included.
We are planning for a large part of the great decline in the sales of WiiU hardware being made up by NX sales.
Over 2 mio. consoles sold at launch in March sound pretty impossible, so maybe he means financially the launch (hardware and software) will bring enough income for a flat year/year? Still kind of very optimistic assumption.
I expect a lot of Wii U DLC. Maybe Mario Kart 8 will get a battle mode?!?
I'm trying to understand this also. Where does the 2M consoles come from? Last year's Wii U sales minus this year's expectations?
Didn't Wii U sell 1.5M in its first six weeks? http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/11/how-successful-was-the-wii-u-launch
Mobile will drive them through 2016 I thinkHow can Nintendo expect the NX to pick up the slack of the Wii U in 2016 in ONE MONTH!?
Yes, 2016 Wii U - 2015 Wii U.
And now we're talking about maximum 4 weeks for a launch in a non-holiday period. We don't even know when in March it will launch.
Yen exchange was the official excuse for being in red in that period. Look up the investor info from January 2013 for example.
Mobile will drive them through 2016 I think
WTF? lol, there's no way that's real. That's bad sitcom material right there.
I disagree. Nintendo should do it, but better. Four words: Virtual Console On Demand. You know you'd pay $50/year for online if it gave you full access to every VC game. Tell me that's not worth it. Just try.
... Well, assuming that VC is updated regularly of course. Either way, just looking at PSN they're obviously going to do it. Even making a tenth of what Sony made would be huge for them.
LOL
Yeah, right. In one way it would be a good thing since it would almost certainly confirm 14nmFF (which I now believe is actually the most likely possibility after considering all factors), but that's too ridiculous to believe.
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What.
I think they might announce a Captain Toad 2 for Wii U also.
Mobile will drive them through 2016 I think
Over 2 mio. consoles sold at launch in March sound pretty impossible, so maybe he means financially the launch (hardware and software) will bring enough income for a flat year/year? Still kind of very optimistic assumption.
They need PM happen, I need something to play by november. I hope they show a trailer or something in the E3After this Q&A is even more confirmed that Wii U is dead and buried on Nintendo's side. They still bank on 3DS though. So I wouldn't expect any new Wii U game and I wonder if Paper Mario will still happen.
3DS did 3.4 million in this same time frame... is it really impossible to do 2.4 million with a console launch when even Wii U sold over 3 million with just nintendoland and nsmbu? This thing is launching with Zelda and a slew of other game announcements.
After this Q&A is even more confirmed that Wii U is dead and buried on Nintendo's side. They still bank on 3DS though. So I wouldn't expect any new Wii U game and I wonder if Paper Mario will still happen.
I think they wouldn't want the badwill of no games in H2, and Paper Mario would probably get lost in the shuffle for NX if it came out near launch.
Unless you meant it'd be outright cancelled?
They shouldn't do it if they don't get or have many MP focused games. It has to be viable, having games like Destiny or The Division for example, their own games might be not enough.
"We are planning for a large part of the great decline in the sales of WiiU hardware being made up by NX sales."
That doesn't mean they're going to sell 1.6 million NX units in March, but that they'll sell a "large part of that" in March.
3DS did 3.4 million in this same time frame... is it really impossible to do 2.4 million with a console launch when even Wii U sold over 3 million with just nintendoland and nsmbu? This thing is launching with Zelda and a slew of other game announcements.
That's the funny thing. We don't even know if it's console, handheld, or both released at the same time. So speculating on numbers is futile.
I still think we will get Paper Mario, but seeing how they talk about Wii U as about someone already dead, I wouldn't be surprised if it will be quietly canceled.
Hm if, BIG if, the thing about AMD's fuck-up is indeed true, i can see Nintendo getting some really *exceptional* deals in return for the impact on NX's production.
Third option is they're selling it at a higher price, but I'm not sure they'd go that route.
Quickly to your last point, not sure how many 3DS devices Nintendo expects to sell in March.We're talking about maximum 1 month sales (it could be even one week depending when it actually launches). Wii U didn't sell 3 million in one month. A lot of the 3ds sales came from Japan, which is a totally different market now. Even more so for consoles.
Seeing as NX isn't expected to impact 3ds sales, just Wii U's according to Kimishima, I think it is safe to say that the one launching in March 2017 is a console.
Seeing as NX isn't expected to impact 3ds sales, just Wii U's according to Kimishima, I think it is safe to say that the one launching in March 2017 is a console.
Quickly to your last point, not sure how many 3DS devices Nintendo expects to sell in March.
Taking Japan completely out of the equation. (sold 1.06 million in japan up to march 31st 2011) Nintendo managed to sell 2.55 million 3DS units from march 25th (Europe) march 27th (America) and march 31th (Australia) 2.55 million in less than a week.
I wouldn't read his statements that way. He has more faith in the sales of 3DS this fiscal year, yes.
We plan to greatly reduce the amount of Wii U systems produced and shipped for the fiscal year ending March 2017, compared to the fiscal year ended March 2016.
Taking into consideration demand for the new NX hardware and overall demand forecasts, we plan to ship 800,000 units.