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Uncharted 4 Trailer runs in-engine, in-game, in realtime on a single PS4 at 1080p60
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Sit back and laugh.
Wishmaster92
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Responding to the post is intoning conflict? Lol, it looks amazing regardless, really close. Can't wait to play this
lol no.
Hidden One
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GAF stays ready to scream downgrade.
I do it too.
#PROTECTUNCHARTED
Quoting myself. Called it back in 2014 and never doubted it because the original teaser was obviously impossible. Maybe through some insane technical wizardry and advances in anti-aliasing/multisampling/post fx they'll achieve tightly managed cutscenes in real-time like that at 60fps somewhere at the end of the PS4's life cycle or something but at that point in time, and today still, it's obvious to anyone who has some grasp on real-time graphics that this was not going to be the fidelity of the actual game or even its real-time cutscenes.
Was kinda baffled at the time how all of NeoGAF was lapping it up saying hey it's Naughty Gods, don't doubt them, it's true, they are wizards... They definitely are wizards and U4 is one of the absolute best looking games ever, no doubt about that. But people's hopes and claims with the initial teaser were way too unrealistic.
That being said, I gotta say Naughty Dog did still exceed my expectations. Past days I found myself checking footage from the actual final game to see if their AA solution is really as good as it has been looking in recent previews and goddamn it, it is. Very impressive. Hard to spot any shimmering or jaggies at all, all while the overall image still looks sharp and there's huuuge amounts of detail, fx and pretty advanced shaders being thrown around. Very very impressive.
...still tho. Allow me to have my "told you so, bitchez" moment here.
The exact same thing happened with every game that's been "downgraded",from DS2 to Witcher 3.
Devs overestimating hardware,lack of time/realistic budget etc.
No one downgrades to fulfill some evil ultimate plan.
Tatsumi Oga
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Not saying they matched it, I don't think they did. But even in worse lighting, with worse highlights, no wet shader etc, the gameplay model (not cutscene like with the reveal) is still incredible.
And I thought Lara was impressive, and it still is but this... this is quite crazy to be honest. Don't know about you guys, but if we'd have his character model under the same lighting conditions as the E3 reveal, I don't think they are far off.
Ricky Ricardo
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Biting off more than you chew is still a perfectly acceptable for critique though. Devs should be held responsible to putting out representative work that isn't actually representative. I'm not talking about a story changing completely or a complete reworking of gameplay systems, mind you.
Naughty Dog put out this trailer that they should have known was not feasible on the PS4. They've finished the game and it, by many respects, is one of the best looking games in the industry. There have been improvements over this trailer. I feel Drake's skin shader looks better, more realistic, in the retail than in the E32014 trailer. Hair took a hit though. There will be more trade-offs along the way, that's the way game dev works. Still, its not unfair or biased to point out when game companies make a promise they can't deliver on.
If this was an internal test that never saw the light of day, there'd be no issue.
ShooterMcTavish
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uncompressed gameplay png vs a jpeg screenshot from the e3 2014 trailer from Frank Tzeng's portfolio.
There is visible hair dithering.
The gameplay shot is closer to the camera than the 2014 one. In theory it should have better iq but look at the hair, look at the micro details.
In regards to skin shading
Which honestly looks better and more realistic to you?
edit:
arm hair in reveal trailer:
Lol hair does not look dithered in the final game, this photo was taken during movement. You are seeing the post processed AA solution and motion blur in this photo. Notice the blur by the eyes. Please don't take this photo as an example of final games hair
Obviously the PS4 could achieve this as it was running realtime on a PS4. My guess is just like with Uncharted 3's cutscenes, this is a cutscene specific downgrade, not a gameplay one. In other words because they wanted the gameplay model to match the cutscene model, the cutscenes took a slight hit in overall fidelity, but the gameplay graphics were actually still improved, and now there's more consistency across the game.
1.21Gigawatts
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Should they have known? I mean, the teaser came out 2 years ago, they didn't know how development would go on this one back then. They polished this part of the game up to a point they deemed reasonable back then, a year or so later they noticed that they won't have the time to polish the whole game to that level.
It would be a different thing if they had shown something that they knew the Ps4 couldn't run, but according to them they had it running on a Ps4, so obviously it was possible, but development apparently didn't work out as they imagined back then.
I mean, its no secret that Uncharted had some problems during development.
XxRampage07xX
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Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Even downgrading from the original reveal is still pretty good. I felt the same about Quantum Break. It was clearly downgraded from the original reveal, but a downgrade from borderline CG quality is still a fucking great looking game.
The Artisan
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no I really don't. usually when something like this happens I go back to see what the bumped post was. it was a really busy day at work so when I flicked gaf on I just saw this bumped thread and posted the question. still haven't had a chance to look back and see why
hey man i'm a gaffer wanting to gaf too.
not cool man not cool
hi bishop =]
Ricky Ricardo
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Considering the PS4's specs, the fact that Naughty Dog isn't an amateur dev house, and the fact that even as a layman, I and others could tell there was no way this could be supported on a full retail level, yeah, I'd say it was definitely foreseeable this was not a direction their vision could actually be fulfilled in.
Of course, you're right, UC4 went through some growing pains, but I believe ND was over-ambitious with this. There's nothing shameful about admitting it. What they achieved with the retail version speaks for itself about their talent and skill.
InsaneTiger
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So IQ and 60fps in a small teaser running in real-time with no AI or anything else besides animations, models and environments (Obviously I am simplify it).
Is it any wonder the teaser looked so good?
Come on, the finished product looks great.
Is it any wonder the teaser looked so good?
Come on, the finished product looks great.
platina
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I'm not denying the final product looks amazing ( the environments look better in the final release than the teaser) but the character model detail between the two look different to me. I am just comparing the character model.
OdysseusVA
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Could we sue? Pretty upset tbh
Brigandier
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I've already completed the game twice and posted my impressions in another thread, I can safely say it's one of the best looking games of all time at present on any format.
OK it doesn't have that 60fps goodness but it's still one hell of an achievement for a console game there was many times I said oh my god or wow...
Stunning game, Can't believe people will do anything to find/post negatives.
OK it doesn't have that 60fps goodness but it's still one hell of an achievement for a console game there was many times I said oh my god or wow...
Stunning game, Can't believe people will do anything to find/post negatives.
gamerMan
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Even if it was running in realtime, it was not representative of the final game. Why bother showing it? What does it accomplish other than to fuel these silly discussions? I think devs shouldn't be creating isolated tech demos of their games unless it will appear in the final game. This thing looked so incredible at 60FPS and was a huge deal when the game first appeared that it caused many people to doubt it was in realtime. Even if the story somehow changed, it makes no sense to throw the entire level away unless it was never designed to be part of the gameplay. It was a tech demo as you say.
LostDonkey
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It doesn't help either that they were so adamant that it was in game, an actual level, running on PS4 and that they were shooting for the final game to look even better.
Even Corrine came out and started saying it was real time, they had some crazy pipelines etc.
Don't get me wrong, it looks stunning, but it doesn't look as good or better than that reveal. And they had to half the framerate to get it there.
I can never tell when gaffers are serious
Halph n Halph
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I'm not sure I can comprehend quite what you are desperately trying to prove, but you go girl.
Ricky Ricardo
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GhostTrick
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It's amazing how close they got, even though the difference is still pretty much noticeable, let alone for the framerate.
LukasTaves
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But lighting is one of the heaviest parts of the rendering pipeline, if not the most.
Changing just that is a big change. Specially when it supposedly ran at 60fps back then.
Shit will be thrown, so watch out.
SlasherJPC
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I agree, they didn't quite hit the level they showed on the early first reveal. Granted that simple showed him washing up on shore, walking into a jungle. The fact this game does indeed look as amazing as it does (which pictures don't even do it justice) , while throwing bad guys at you, things exploding, particles, etc. I think they still have something to be very proud of and once again here is a plethora of pictures I took just to remind people of just how awesome it looks.
[Agent]ZeroNine
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So unnecessary
So petty
So petty
PLASTICA-MAN
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Very nice pics indeed.
Can you please capture a video showing chest hair moving and the watch working too like proved here:http://n4g.com/news/1888198/ps4-exc...nmental-images-wip-videos-and-a-working-watch around 1:50 in the video (
Take that Neogaf
Tatsumi Oga
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I was just watching GameSpot's videoreview and I saw a cutscene of Nate in a white shirt and his brother was in the scene as well. That character model to me looks goddamn close to the reveal trailer. But yeah, the ingame pics here show it indeed didn't quite reach that level.
SlasherJPC
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Sadly I can't as I don't have the game anymore till Tuesday. These are from the stuff I took before.
UnObtainium17
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[Agent]ZeroNine;202753191 said:
Seriously.. Graphics comparison threads are the worsts kind of discussions there is in GAF.
Is this the actual in-gameplay screenshot? Looks like most games these days tbh. I never understood why people put up the cutscenes to show off the games graphics when it's more about the gameplay... meh.
All those shots are in-game. As in gameplay.
Lys Skygge
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The fact that reviewers unanimously agree that it's the best looking console game ever (and according to others, better than alot of PC games) say otherwise.
Is this the actual in-gameplay screenshot? Looks like most games these days tbh. I never understood why people put up the cutscenes to show off the games graphics when it's more about the gameplay... meh.
Some of those shots look less than great, but I think as a whole it's one of the more consistently good looking games out there.
lukeskymac
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Now you're comparing gameplay to cutscenes. Couldn't be more obvious.
ArchedThunder
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I didn't create the comparison, so you can take up the complaints of 'tilting' with the creator.
In the interest of fairness, I regrabbed the top screen from Gamersyde footage. Definitely a lot more detail, but I still think the conclusion is the same: they compare very favorably, and outside of framerate it's hard to say any downgrade is clear.
Graphical quality looks nearly identical.
gamerMan
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For some reason there is no shadowing on the gameplay pics.
Krappadizzle
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If it hurts your feefees, you should probably just stay away from the thread no?
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