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[LordRaptor]

..Also, if these rumors are true, then maybe there is a way to make and ARM chip that is comparable in power to what the current gen consoles are running while being more efficient?

Yes, which is why people saying ARM = underpowered are being ridiculous; you can already get faster ARM chips than the really weak CPUs the PS4 and Xbox One shipped with.

For point of reference, the individual cores in the PS4 and Xbox One are slower than last gen consoles were, there's just more of them. Using the dictionary metaphor, last gen the 360 had 3 'readers' who could each read through 3 dictionarys once per second, this gen they hired 8 readers who could each read through one and a half.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

Did you guys not read Emily Rogers' post? Since it's not x86 (according to her), you can't really compare the NX Console to the PS4 & XB1 on paper. We can't really compare until we see gameplay footage.

Just...man. Don't get your hopes up lol.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

It's a hybrid or Vita TV kinda deal.

Yep. Been saying hybrid since day one.

"But But Nintendo said its not!"

So? Nintendo says lots of shit. They're denying the hybrid thing in the hopes people are shocked when it is.

 

[Anth0ny]

Did you guys not read Emily Rogers' post? Since it's not x86 (according to her), you can't really compare the NX Console to the PS4 & XB1 on paper. We can't really compare until we see gameplay footage.

yeah nintendo deserves the benefit of the doubt right now

 

[tr1p1ex]

Makes a lot of sense if they go ARM.

But this rumor doesn't say PowerPC is out so you never know.

 

[sfried]

yeah nintendo deserves the benefit of the doubt right now

Considering we don't really know jack shit other than its an actual device, yeah...

The rumors are all over the place.

 

[Neoxon]

Just...man. Don't get your hopes up lol.

I'm not, I'm just going by what she said.

 

[funkystudent]

Skipping E3 makes a lot more sense now....

 

[pixelation]

Ugggh... incoming gimmick, apparently Nintendo aren't interested in getting 3rd party support. Are they really willing to go at it alone again?, how long can they keep up fighting a losing battle?

 

[Perih Xoph]

Did you guys not read Emily Rogers' post? Since it's not x86 (according to her), you can't really compare the NX Console to the PS4 & XB1 on paper. We can't really compare until we see gameplay footage.

Well, she spoke with, I assume, developers working on the NX. They would have a good grasp on what the system is capable of power wise. If they're saying it's around Xbox One power, that doesn't bode to well.

 

[Neoxon]

Ugggh... incoming gimmick, apparently Nintendo aren't interested in getting 3rd party support. Are they really willing to go at it alone again?, how long can they keep up fighting a losing battle?

As stated earlier in the thread, most of the major engines being used in games today support ARM, so it's not really a problem. And even then, western publishers probably won't support Nintendo either way (the audience Nintendo attracts differs greatly from what western publishers go after).

 

[The Dutch Slayer]

Well not being as powerful ok fine.
Not using X86 big problem if true when you think about the future and about 3rd parties its a big problem.

 

[Neoxon]

Well not being as powerful ok fine.
Not using X86 big problem if true when you think about the future and about 3rd parties its a big problem.

See the post above yours. ARM isn't as big of a problem as you're making it out to be. Plus, assuming Nintendo goes the shared platform route for their next console & handheld, ARM scales up better than x86 scales down, so ARM makes more sense for the platform.

 

[dtm808]

ARM? Rip 3rd party support.Its not like EA or SE or Sega or other major studios make ports/games on Ios and android so why would they bother working with ARM. oh wait..............

I do not understand why ARM = no support . Just because its not the same as xbo and ps4? That dosnt mean anything. For example EA slaps madden on mobile and SE makes FF and KH games on mobile so why would they just be like "ARM? nope goodbye".

 

[Pokemaniac]

Well not being as powerful ok fine.
Not using X86 big problem if true when you think about the future and about 3rd parties its a big problem.

This is a myth. It really shouldn't present a significant obstacle to third party support as long as the chip is powerful enough.

 

[FZZ]

My pessimism is seemingly continuing to be justified

 

[AniHawk]

okay, so my expectation from last year was that it would be around xb1 level. xb1- i think i called it, where the handheld version would be vita+. this helps me reconcile with the idea that the console would be a beast and still, somehow, have a handheld version that played the same games.

 

[Zalman]

Nintendo is about creating affordable hardware. Launching a powerful machine mid-gen is suicide. People who expected PS4K specs were setting themselves up for disappointment.

 

[Maxinas]

Getting tired of these threads tbh, it's either give us 100% confirmed information or stop talking. I'll wait till Nintendo properly annouces the console.

 

[cw_sasuke]

Some of you guys are weird... Nintendo's homeconsole will probably launch for like 250 bucks... why would you expect PS4K hardware for like half they price? You really were expecting a 400usd Nintendo console after the WiiU? Please....

 

[XenodudeX]

Nintendo is about creating affordable hardware. Launching a powerful machine mid-gen is suicide. People who expected PS4K specs were setting themselves up for disappointment.

Which was fucking no one, bye the way.

 

[Zalman]

Which was fucking no one, bye the way.

I have seen some crazy rumors in the past couple of months.

 

[Anth0ny]

ARM? Rip 3rd party support.Its not like EA or SE or Sega or other major studios make ports/games on Ios and android so why would they bother working with ARM. oh wait..............

I do not understand why ARM = no support . Just because its not the same as xbo and ps4? That dosnt mean anything. For example EA slaps madden on mobile and SE makes FF and KH games on mobile so why would they just be like "ARM? nope goodbye".

mobile madden and ff ports confirmed for nx

Nintendo is about creating affordable hardware. Launching a powerful machine mid-gen is suicide. People who expected PS4K specs were setting themselves up for disappointment.

it's suicide, yet sony is about to launch the ps4k.

i don't know what's more suicidal, releasing the most powerful console in 2017, or something weaker than the 2013 boxes.

 

[KAP151]

Nintendo is about creating affordable hardware. Launching a powerful machine mid-gen is suicide. People who expected PS4K specs were setting themselves up for disappointment.

And the flip side of that coin is that they could be a launching a console 3.5 years later than their direct competitor that is on par/weaker. That is even more suicidal.

Price is temporary and can change with a weeks notice.

 

[Nanashrew]

It still even remains to be seen how the market will react to iterative consoles. Even Nintendo is planning that but they at least have SCD's they could fall back on too.

 

[Zalman]

it's suicide, yet sony is about to launch the ps4k.

i don't know what's more suicidal, releasing the most powerful console in 2017, or something weaker than the 2013 boxes.

Sony can afford to launch the PS4K because they already have the install base. Nintendo is starting from zero again. If they release a $399 box when the PS4 is available for $299, which one will people pick? The one with Nintendo games or the one with a library that has been building up for three and a half years?

 

[beef3483]

Why are we still talking about third party support? It's been four straight generations now where Nintendo had little third party support. I think it's time to give it up. If Nintendo is going to mount a comeback, I can guarantee you it won't be on the backs of third parties. It will be on the consistent delivery of their own content.

 

[Devilgunman]

Nintendo is about creating affordable hardware.

How did that work out for them these past 2 decades?

 

[jroc74]

X1 is technically 3x as powerful as the Wii U. I would think they would shoot for that power envelope in the handheld and aim a bit higher for the console.

In a perfect world Nintendo would go for at least the X1 for console. In Nintendo's world....its probably gonna be a 2-3 gen behind Tegra chip.

 

[bachikarn]

Nintendo is about creating affordable hardware.

Are they? Wii U and 3DS were over priced. Even the Wii launched at higher price point than most fans predicted at the time.

They should be about providing valuable hardware. The DS and the Wii sold so much because it was a compelling piece of hardware/platform.

 

[cw_sasuke]

How did that work out for them these past 2 decades?

DS and Wii were certified bombas.. you are right. I'm sure 400 dollar handheld and console would have saved them.

 

[Nanashrew]

In a perfect world Nintendo would go for at least the X1 for console. In Nintendo's world....its probably gonna be a 2-3 gen behind Tegra chip.

Well for the handheld

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1218933

 

[Branduil]

How did that work out for them these past 2 decades?

DS- 150 million sold
Wii- 100 million sold
GBA- 80 million sold
GC- 20 million sold

Nintendo actually has a pretty good track record with their more affordable consoles. The pricing on the 3DS(initially) and the Wii U was a massive mistake.

 

[Neoxon]

How did that work out for them these past 2 decades?

The Wii U was overpriced because of the GamePad & the 3DS was initially overpriced because of the 3D screen.

 

[Devilgunman]

The Wii U was overpriced because of the GamePad & the 3DS was initially overpriced because of the 3D screen.

So Nintendo wasn't always about creating an affordable console then why people expecting the NX to be cheap?

DS and Wii were certified bombas.. you are right. I'm sure 400 dollar handheld and console would have saved them.

Where did I say they were bombas? I simply asked a question.

 

[SirPenguin]

I'm not, I'm just going by what she said.

Are you? Because she's the one who said it wouldn't compete with the PS4 (let alone the PS4k). She's the one to compare them and claim that Nintendo is once again going their own way

I mean, the entire point of her post was to address all the rumors in which people speculated that the NX would be at least as powerful, if not more powerful than the current gen consoles. She's claiming pretty clearly that's not the case

 

[Zalman]

Remember this quote from Miyamoto: "With our latest system, the Wii U, the price point was one that ended up getting a little higher than we wanted."

NX is going to be a cheap Nintendo box.

 

[Who]

If Nintendo utilizes that local cloud network thing a ma jib they filed a patent for, the launch NX console specs are hardly a concern for me..

Ya know with the NX being able to pull power from other devices.

 

[Nanashrew]

2 decades is 20 years. Much of their stuff was pretty cheap. Game Boy was original $89 at retail. Also at that time, the economy was better too and people could actually afford things.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Remember this quote from Miyamoto: "With our latest system, the Wii U, the price point was one that ended up getting a little higher than we wanted."

NX is going to be a cheap Nintendo box.

Yep. And I'm personally happy as hell about that. Give me lots of Nintendo games and it'll be worth it for me.

 

[Champion]

DS- 150 million sold
Wii- 100 million sold
GBA- 80 million sold
GC- 20 million sold

Nintendo actually has a pretty good track record with their more affordable consoles. The pricing on the 3DS(initially) and the Wii U was a massive mistake.

I feel like there are two sides to the equation and consumers have shown they do not mind spending extra money if they feel find value in the product. I really think that's what Nintendo needs t be focusing on.

Just dropping the price isnt going to make their hardware sell. Let's say they release a console at $299. That's great and all but if it has no 3rd party support, the ecosystem is still a mess, and Nintendo continues to downplay online gaming then the hardware is DOA.

I personally wouldnt mind paying more if I'm getting more from Nintendo.

 

[bachikarn]

DS- 150 million sold
Wii- 100 million sold
GBA- 80 million sold
GC- 20 million sold

Nintendo actually has a pretty good track record with their more affordable consoles. The pricing on the 3DS(initially) and the Wii U was a massive mistake.

You think if the Wii U was cheaper it would have sold significantly better? I'm highly skeptical of that. The thing is just incredibly unappealing.

 

[Neoxon]

Are you? Because she's the one who said it wouldn't compete with the PS4 (let alone the PS4k). She's the one to compare them and claim that Nintendo is once again going their own way

I mean, the entire point of her post was to address all the rumors in which people speculated that the NX would be at least as powerful, if not more powerful than the current gen consoles. She's claiming pretty clearly that's not the case

I'm going off of Trev's interpretation of what Emily Rogers said. That being said, he does disagree about the NX Console not using Polaris, which I'm 50/50 on.

 

[Devilgunman]

Remember this quote from Miyamoto: "With our latest system, the Wii U, the price point was one that ended up getting a little higher than we wanted."

NX is going to be a cheap Nintendo box.

You would think Nintendo learnt something from the disastrous 3DS launch. They didn't. And how many time Iwata had come out to promise improvement of initial software drought but failed repeatedly to do so?

 

[G-Unit]

Losing interest really fast

 

[Vena]

Are you? Because she's the one who said it wouldn't compete with the PS4 (let alone the PS4k). She's the one to compare them and claim that Nintendo is once again going their own way

I mean, the entire point of her post was to address all the rumors in which people speculated that the NX would be at least as powerful, if not more powerful than the current gen consoles. She's claiming pretty clearly that's not the case

I don't think she actually said PS4, just Neo/4K. As I think you're referring to this line:

Based on what I’ve heard, I don’t believe the NX will compete directly with PS4 (Neo) / PS4K in raw power.

Read it again.

 

[Zalman]

You would think Nintendo learnt something from the disastrous 3DS launch. They didn't. And how many time Iwata had come out to promise improvement of initial software drought but failed repeatedly to do so?

The difference is that this time they have actually made moves to increase software output. The handheld and console teams are working together on the hardware now. Theoretically, that should allow them to release games for the system on a much more regular basis.

 

[Chopper Dave]

Wow and people think those that hang out in the speculation threads are prone to delusions. People really think Nintendo would release a $400+ console and/or find some magical bottle of secret sauce that Sony/Microsoft could not. If the price will be comparable to X1/PS4 so will the specs. How this simple logic escaped so many speculative minds is remarkable.

mobile madden and ff ports confirmed for nx



it's suicide, yet sony is about to launch the ps4k.

i don't know what's more suicidal, releasing the most powerful console in 2017, or something weaker than the 2013 boxes.

Sony isn't getting rid of the original PS4.

 

[Nanashrew]

You would think Nintendo learnt something from the disastrous 3DS launch. They didn't. And how many time Iwata had come out to promise improvement of initial software drought but failed repeatedly to do so?

This keeps getting brought up, but back (and I mean as far back as NES) then their entire company structure was slow and Iwata admitted to that, then he began restructuring the entire company up until his death. All that is still in motion, and they even have moved from a JP corporate structure to a more western one from the last investor meeting just this month? or last month.

This is likely a whole new scenario than any of those past comments

 

[SirPenguin]

DS- 150 million sold
Wii- 100 million sold
GBA- 80 million sold
GC- 20 million sold

Nintendo actually has a pretty good track record with their more affordable consoles. The pricing on the 3DS(initially) and the Wii U was a massive mistake.

Eh...not sure if you can really make any conclusions here with regard to price. It's true those consoles did very well, but was it because of price? I don't think you can really say that

The Wii especially had very little to do with the price. I remember the Wii fervor vivedly, and people would have paid anything for it - and they did. Ebay consoles for well above retail dominated for at least a year after launch